Recommitted Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera - two year extension

[Cleric]

As you stated you dont know Nas but he seems pretty logical and I don't seeing him wanting to play for WC for multiple years. If Poet/Crows can't get a deal done with WC then PSD, WC look to be finishing bottom for at least another year(2026) then Tassie will take up that mantle.

Why is it on Saints to satisfy Port or Crows in the deal? You want a top 10 player then pay up, you guys have assets that can be off loaded to get picking between 5 and 15. It seems like Saints have to be bent over in a trade for it to be fair.

The way I see it, Port and Crows have to pony up or Nas will be the one to be hurt in the deal.

Its not about any club having to satisfy the other, its about getting the best deal you can under the circumstances.
If Port only have access to two late first round picks and a player like Whitlock, then that's what it will have to be.
If he was still contracted St Kilda could then say, thanks but we will keep him.

If he has decided to leave, and Port is his option, then that's the only realistic option for you pick wise unless other clubs come in to widen the pool in a multi club deal. Now, Port have shown an ability to get involved with those, so maybe something like that can happen, but again, that's only reliant on Port using the picks and players they have the ability to move.

 

[Tista7000]

Doubt that he is any better than Hugo Garcia, and certainly is not in the form that Max Hall is in.

Phillipou has yes missed most of the season as was injured, but would certainly rank above Berry.

He would be quicker than Clark, but would not be better.

And there is Macrae, who admittedly is a lot older.

Phillipou i don't rate as a mid

Garcia bad disposal but still some promise

Max Hall has proven to be a gun, he slipped my mind

Macrae hasn't been the same since coming back from injury

 

[Tista7000]

Some generous words for Sam Berry.

He's a competent midfielder and has shown he can do some good things, but he's far from a B grader (assuming B grade is the rung below A grader)

And Windhager is not the saints best mid..

Since round 10 Berry has been nothing short of a B grade, I will admit doesn't mean he will carry that form next year.

Windy probs the best Saints mid after Max Hall

 

[Cleric]

I would think something like Rachele (Vic boy) and your first.

The problem with Curtin is he's from WA, he could turn around in 2 years and demand to go home if we traded Nas for him, in the same situation as we are now. That's the same for Thilthorpe, being a SA boy.

He was joking about Curtin or Thilthorpe. Neither of those will get mentioned in any trade by Adelaide. I'm not sure even Rachele would to be fair.
He is a gun small forward who we need in our team. He is also best mates with Soligo, so if we lose Rachele then we have a greater chance of losing Him as well.
If one of them came to the club and said they wanted to go back to Victoria then that's another discussion, but sans that, it won't happen.
Anyway, its Port he is more likely to choose, so you need to look at what they have.
I would think their two future firsts and Whitlock would be the best outcome.
Many pundits have said if Whitlock was in this year's draft he would be a top 10 pick.

 

[Cleric]

Doubt that he is any better than Hugo Garcia, and certainly is not in the form that Max Hall is in.

Phillipou has yes missed most of the season as was injured, but would certainly rank above Berry.

He would be quicker than Clark, but would not be better.

And there is Macrae, who admittedly is a lot older.

Phillipou at full stretch and healthy is a higher level than Berry, but constant injuries are slowly bringing him back to the pack. I would rather a player who is 90% as good as Phillipou, but plays twice as many games than Phillipou.

Berry is a good midfielder. He tackles like a beast, is big bodied and is consistent.
Theres alot to like about him.
Adelaide can afford to move him on as they have players like Sid Draper, Dowling and Edwards waiting in the wings to get a shot at it.

 

[phantom13]

If he gets snapped up by WC then you don't get any first round picks as compensation and Port keep their picks. Then after 12 months Nas will ask WC for a trade to Port Adelaide and WC will get the picks you would have got for him.
Way to roll St Kilda. If that happens the AFL should wind the club up.

In two years when he is a free agent St Kilda can match the offer, and if Nas rejects it he goes into the draft and again St Kilda get nothing for him.
Brilliant move again.

You are silly if you think you can beat Nas into staying with you. Its like trying to make your Girlfriend stay with you by treating her poorly if she decides she wants to leave.

Really depends what the offer is.

If someone offered you absolute shit for Rankine would you just accept it cause it’s better than nothing?

 

[beside the seaside]

just so we're all clear, what will it take to get him?

Two top ten picks would be a starting point.

 

[Count_Zero]

Its not about any club having to satisfy the other, its about getting the best deal you can under the circumstances.
If Port only have access to two late first round picks and a player like Whitlock, then that's what it will have to be.
If he was still contracted St Kilda could then say, thanks but we will keep him.

If he has decided to leave, and Port is his option, then that's the only realistic option for you pick wise unless other clubs come in to widen the pool in a multi club deal. Now, Port have shown an ability to get involved with those, so maybe something like that can happen, but again, that's only reliant on Port using the picks and players they have the ability to move.

Port has stated that Butters is going no where, they resigned Bergman, so Bergman has all the power about where he plays so what magically card do Port have to play?
Whitlock? Berry? Georgiadies? Are they get a top 10 pick? A first rounder? Because that is what Saints want in a trade. And if you don't believe me, listen to our CEO, Has stated it is going to take a lot to trade for Nas.

 

[jackag24]

Two top ten picks would be a starting point.

Not unreasonable

 

[Cleric]

Really depends what the offer is.

If someone offered you absolute shit for Rankine would you just accept it cause it’s better than nothing?

If Rankine was out of contract, asked for a trade, and the team only had future firsts available, I wouldn't be advocating sending him to the PSD for nothing.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

2nds, 3rds, 4ths, future picks, trade out other players and draft deficiency. There’s a lot of options to get the points.

With the new points system it will be much more difficult third round picks are basically worthless in points, if Cochran gets bid on were expected without a first round pick port will need three picks in the early twenties to match a bid ,

Yeah, I missed that part. I don’t know NWM or what he’s thinking.

Even in this situation, and if he puts the move off, it’s not like Port and Crows draft hand gets better with Tas compromising the draft. And would Saints be satisfied with one compo pick?

If he deals the move it’ll still be the same situation right now unless saints accept under in free agency.

His still 4 years away from being a free agent

 

[BrutThough]

So Pick 22 odd + 22 odd next year + a player no one knows of = fair value for a 22yo proven gun player who will be AA and a sneaky chance at Brownlow podium?

Doesn't stack up at all.

The 2027 first rounder will be more around pick 30 if Tassie happens. That would be an insulting offer.

 

[RonnieRaven]

This only seems to be an issue when players leave to return to Adelaide or Perth.

The AFL certainly didn’t care when freo were struggling and lost
Neale (bnf 2016,18)left end of 2018
Hill (bnf 17)left end of 2019
Langdon (22u22 2018)left end of 2019

Neale went on to win 2 brownlows 4AA 4bnf and premiership captain.
The AFL were actually really happy
You know new customers growth markets Northern states NRL Yada Yada Yada

 

[Ads734]

Thats around where most of us crows fans would see it and if it needed the extra 2nd rounder to be generated to seal it, the we'd do that I would think. But I suspect SOS's opening request (if NWM chooses the crows that is) will be our 1st and Thilthorpe or our 1st and Curtin and if I was them I'd be asking that too

This is genuinely laughable.

This could equate to something like pick 15-18 likely pushed back due to academy picks this year

15-18 next year and Sam Berry

So pick 16
Picks 16 next year
And Berry.

You talk about Curtain. Interesting point… what trade would you race or for Curtain. Considering Naz has just about his standing as a current top 5 player in the comp at 22.

Granted Crows/port will cop a discount due to being out of contract and potentially requesting a trade to only 2 teams.

 

[Crow till I die]

This is genuinely laughable.

This could equate to something like pick 15-18 likely pushed back due to academy picks this year

15-18 next year and Sam Berry

So pick 16
Picks 16 next year
And Berry.

You talk about Curtain. Interesting point… what trade would you race or for Curtain. Considering Naz has just about his standing as a current top 5 player in the comp at 22.

Granted Crows/port will cop a discount due to being out of contract and potentially requesting a trade to only 2 teams.

No trade for Curtin whatsoever. He is untradeable while he is happy to play at the crows. Going to be a bont mk 2 that one.

Laughable not really..valuing whitlock and lord as 1st round pocks like one or 2 of the port fans on here has done.. laughable

 

[fnerd]

St Kilda should be handing him the contract and saying "name your price"

He's arguably one of the most important players league wide, they'd be silly to let him go.

I keep hearing this but I doubt tha dinero is the issue.

Otherwise surely he would’ve signed by now….

Anyway he ll be in teal next year , seems nothing surer and the saints will enjoy their trade pieces of soldo and couple future firsts in the Tassie draft like its Christmas .

After all that’s all port have… so that’s all they can give ….so STK will just have to accept it!!!

#portsupporters#portsupportersknowbest

 

[fnerd]

No trade for Curtin whatsoever. He is untradeable while he is happy to play at the crows. Going to be a bont mk 2 that one.

Sweet .

And then when he wants to return home to wa to (either side )once his contracts up ,I look fwd to flicking over a couple firsts in the 20s for the bont mk 2 ….after all that’s how this works isnt?

 

[Cleric]

This is genuinely laughable.

This could equate to something like pick 15-18 likely pushed back due to academy picks this year

15-18 next year and Sam Berry

So pick 16
Picks 16 next year
And Berry.

You talk about Curtain. Interesting point… what trade would you race or for Curtain. Considering Naz has just about his standing as a current top 5 player in the comp at 22.

Granted Crows/port will cop a discount due to being out of contract and potentially requesting a trade to only 2 teams.

If Curtin asked for a trade at the end of his contract to WC, and he is one of the best players in the competition, and WC only had pick 17 and a future 1st to offer, what do you think we could do?
Nothing. Either send him to the PSD for nothing, or get the most we can get from them, and if they dont have any players that want to come here that are of any value, we get screwed over dont we.

If however, WC have pick 1 or 2, then we will get a better deal. You just have to accept that there is an element of luck involved. Hopefully the player chooses a team that has draft picks around what you value him at.
Was it fair that Hawthorn only got pick 19 for Buddy? No. Was it fair that North got pick 2 for McKay? No. Will it be fair when WC get pick 2 for Allen? No.
Will it be unfair if St Kilda only get two late firsts and a young player for Nas? Yes.

 

[Crow till I die]

Sweet .

And then when he wants to return home to wa to (either side )once his contracts up ,I look fwd to flicking over a couple firsts in the 20s for the bont mk 2 ….after all that’s how this works isnt?

If we have won a flag or 2 in the meantime...happy days

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This is genuinely laughable.

This could equate to something like pick 15-18 likely pushed back due to academy picks this year

15-18 next year and Sam Berry

So pick 16
Picks 16 next year
And Berry.

You talk about Curtain. Interesting point… what trade would you race or for Curtain. Considering Naz has just about his standing as a current top 5 player in the comp at 22.

Granted Crows/port will cop a discount due to being out of contract and potentially requesting a trade to only 2 teams.

If we offered pick 19,32 and Jack Hutchinson for Daniel Curtin the Adelaide fans would seemingly be thrilled with the offer

 

[stfan]

Phillipou at full stretch and healthy is a higher level than Berry, but constant injuries are slowly bringing him back to the pack. I would rather a player who is 90% as good as Phillipou, but plays twice as many games than Phillipou.

Berry is a good midfielder. He tackles like a beast, is big bodied and is consistent.
Theres alot to like about him.
Adelaide can afford to move him on as they have players like Sid Draper, Dowling and Edwards waiting in the wings to get a shot at it.

Berry could be the "steak knives", but he is not good enough to be the main course.

St Kilda actually have a number of B Grades mids. Another one will make no difference to our fortunes.

 

[Ads734]

If Curtin asked for a trade at the end of his contract to WC, and he is one of the best players in the competition, and WC only had pick 17 and a future 1st to offer, what do you think we could do?
Nothing. Either send him to the PSD for nothing, or get the most we can get from them, and if they dont have any players that want to come here that are of any value, we get screwed over dont we.

If however, WC have pick 1 or 2, then we will get a better deal. You just have to accept that there is an element of luck involved. Hopefully the player chooses a team that has draft picks around what you value him at.
Was it fair that Hawthorn only got pick 19 for Buddy? No. Was it fair that North got pick 2 for McKay? No. Will it be fair when WC get pick 2 for Allen? No.
Will it be unfair if St Kilda only get two late firsts and a young player for Nas? Yes.

Buddy And pick 19 was free agency. Not the same situation. Imo free agency comp is silly anyways. I also don’t agree. Adelaide would not just do the deal…

 

[Ads734]

If we offered pick 19,32 and Jack Hutchinson for Daniel Curtin the Adelaide fans would seemingly be thrilled with the offer

What do you mean… that’s all you guys have. Don’t you know…. They would have to accept it.

 

[porterrob4747]

sorry port just heard he will sign with saints for 3 years, saints about to up windhager contract to 4 years.
wanganeen was just waiting to see what happens here. announcement be made before season end, just finalising both contracts. heard doesn't want to play port with new coach, and team that isn't stable.

 

[rainwizard39]

sorry port just heard he will sign with saints for 3 years, saints about to up windhager contract to 4 years.
wanganeen was just waiting to see what happens here. announcement be made before season end, just finalising both contracts. heard doesn't want to play port with new coach, and team that isn't stable.

Source: trust me bro.