List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[Sam The Doc]

I might be mistaken but I thought I had read somewhere that if you lose multiple players as FAs in the same period, it is taken in to consideration with the compo...

In the same way that if you lose and acquire a player in the same period, then your compo is diluted or even forgone.

So losing both TDK and JSOS in the same period might mean we receive higher compo for the JSOS loss?

Could have completely made this up, does anyone know?

Let’s hope you didn’t make it up

 

[Dramoth]

Band 1 would be around the $1M mark this year. 800k would be band 2, I reckon. It'll depend on other FA signings.

The only reason why the AFL would consider $1m as the limit for band one compo is because of TDK. Any other year, and 800k would be considered band 1.

 

[Ahuitzotl]

See ya, Tom. I hope you enjoy as much success with St Kilda as that club has ever had.

 

[kingkingston]

They'd leave us on the hook for $1.8m and the most we could get would be #7 anyway - IE huge risk compared to taking #9.

7 and players. Saints also need to fit NWM in as well

 

[SolGoodman]

It’s a Buddy Franklin type contract.

TDK hasn’t done a thing that comes close to Franklins worst season.

Big preseason for HOK.

Can't really knock TDK, it's the Aints being that desperate to "land a big fish" that they've had to pay an enormous amount.

It's wild too, they have Marshall currently who is by far and away a better ruckman and forward than TDK, yet they've put all of their eggs into getting Tom, not keeping Marshall.

Strange.

 

[DangerousD]

Dangerfield got matched.

Was a crap show from the top of my head, they matched but didn’t force Geelong to trade much

 

[17in25]

See you Tdk.
IMO not worth that coin and seems like he’s happy enough to go to a shit club, clip his ticket and retire a wealthy 34 year old. Good luck buddy!

 

[Gointocarlton]

No, you match it and then you make St. Kilda trade for him

No because if we match, he'll say thanks very much we blow up our salary cap.
Move on, he is gone.

 

[Dramoth]

Of Charlie does get traded it won’t involve year. Player swaps in trades are very rare when it comes to a grade players

If a team wants Charlie, they offer an A grade player plus a late first rounder or multiple first round picks over this and next year. He is currently contracted for 4 more years and someone has to pay to buy out his contract.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

C’mon like we didn’t already know…

Tis z farewell. But in all seriousness. Can St Kilda even afford him if they don't get a few more members or if the AFL give them less funding . Could be delicious

 

[Dramoth]

7 and players. Saints also need to fit NWM in as well

Not Our Problem.

They have offered life changing money to TDK, Carlton isn't going to match it. Who do you want to lose from our top tier players? Walsh... because giving TDK 1.7 mill/year means we can't afford to offer Walsh a massive contract next year in his free agency year. I'd prefer to keep Walsh thanks.

 

[Cringle]

Can't really knock TDK, it's the Aints being that desperate to "land a big fish" that they've had to pay an enormous amount.

It's wild too, they have Marshall currently who is by far and away a better ruckman and forward than TDK, yet they've put all of their eggs into getting Tom, not keeping Marshall.

Strange.

It’s a very strange move.

Marshall is one of the better rucks in the comp.

And they have Dodson developing in the twos getting 20+ touches.

Surely by the time Marshall is ready to go Dodson will be ready.

Just seems like a bring in any kind of quality without regard for list balance.

I guess that is SOS’ list management strategy.

 

[katmanblue]

The only reason why the AFL would consider $1m as the limit for band one compo is because of TDK. Any other year, and 800k would be considered band 1.

It's fairly arbitrary too. They never tell us the formula. How much is Oscar getting from Brisbane? They think that will get WC a band 1.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Reckon Mitch Owens wants a pay raise?

 

[Cringle]

Not Our Problem.

They have offered life changing money to TDK, Carlton isn't going to match it. Who do you want to lose from our top tier players? Walsh... because giving TDK 1.7 mill/year means we can't afford to offer Walsh a massive contract next year in his free agency year. I'd prefer to keep Walsh thanks.

Unless he becomes Max Gawn level of effective it’s a bad investment.

 

[Dramoth]

I heard the top end isn't great but the tier below is fairly deep.

It's a shallow pool of top tier players this year. Maybe 15 of them. The second tier would be third tier any other year from what I've heard.

 

[Crippa#9]

Not Our Problem.

They have offered life changing money to TDK, Carlton isn't going to match it. Who do you want to lose from our top tier players? Walsh... because giving TDK 1.7 mill/year means we can't afford to offer Walsh a massive contract next year in his free agency year. I'd prefer to keep Walsh thanks.

And ultimately that’s what it’s all boiled down to.

We knew having five players on an average of a $1m a year is tight but having a sixth is unmanageable. TDK was the compromise in order to provide Walsh a contract worthy of his talent.

Gutted to lose TDK but not as much as I would have been to lose Walsh.

 

[Dramoth]

It's fairly arbitrary too. They never tell us the formula. How much is Oscar getting from Brisbane? They think that will get WC a band 1.

Yeah... they're talking picks 1 and 2 this year with the Allen compo.

 

[JK61]

If we match, it's financial mismanagement from the club. Better to let him go and run away with the band 1 compo.

Exactly, pick 9 as compo for TDK is a good result for us IMO

 

[Blue_Fusion]

It's fairly arbitrary too. They never tell us the formula. How much is Oscar getting from Brisbane? They think that will get WC a band 1.

To receive Band 1 compensation in the AFL, a departing player's contract needs to fall within the top five percent of player contracts in the league, based on average guaranteed value and age, and the contract value must align with the most recent salary cap.

This compensation is based on a comparison to existing contracts, with clubs needing to meet this threshold to secure a high draft pick, such as the compensation pick after their own first-round pick.

 

[Dramoth]

Exactly, pick 9 as compo for TDK is a good result for us IMO

I'd love to see the AFL try and **** us and say it's only worth band 2 compo.

 

[SurreyBlue]

No, you match it and then you make St. Kilda trade for him

I'd match but only if TdK understands that we want to maximise his return.
StKilda will need to deal, they have no choice and there first this year and next will do just fine.

 

[Flaggers22]

Watch him try to nab Kemp for a future 4th this trade period. Then we’re talking!

I don't know about that, that might actually be good value. I hear Dylan Shiel is available again, it might be time to ask Lindsay Fox to fire up the private jet.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I guess that is SOS’ list management strategy

The strategy is to spend up now on marquee players and then bring more in as the cap rises. More so if they are front loading these two big ones.

 

[Dramoth]

To receive Band 1 compensation in the AFL, a departing player's contract needs to fall within the top five percent of player contracts in the league, based on average guaranteed value and age, and the contract value must align with the most recent salary cap.

This compensation is based on a comparison to existing contracts, with clubs needing to meet this threshold to secure a high draft pick, such as the compensation pick after their own first-round pick.

Well, I think that TDK' contract would fall into the top .01%. Second only to NWM.