Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[Rob R]

Not great optics agreed. We did fight on China's side in WWII.

We did fight alongside the Chinese people and the Nationalist Chinese government of the time who deserve respect especially the Chinese people. Just a shame the parade is celebrating the Chinese communist party who largely chickened out of the war preferring to save its strength for the civil war later.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Oh no! There's two of him now!

ScoMo or Abbott.

What a doozy, but I'm not going to correct it. I can laugh at my own mistakes.

 

[Romeoh1]

Yep- not a good look, although let’s face it, Dan could host a kids charity and he’d get slammed by half these posters.

 

[sherb]

ScoMo or Abbott.

What a doozy, but I'm not going to correct it. I can laugh at my own mistakes.

I read it and thought you were referring to the two separate entities -

ScoMo: the daggy dad
Morrison: the serious politician

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

We did fight alongside the Chinese people and the Nationalist Chinese government of the time who deserve respect especially the Chinese people. Just a shame the parade is celebrating the Chinese communist party who largely chickened out of the war preferring to save its strength for the civil war later.

What?

The United Front existed until 1940, and Japanese opinions thereafter were that communist gorrilas were the better trained insurgent troops.

They also won major campaigns like the Hundred Regiment Offensive.

Their organisation and willingness to fight, v the Nationalists who were seen as corrupt and disorganised, was one of the main reasons why so much of the peasantry supported the Communists v the Nationalists.

I am definitely not a fan of the CCP, but there was no "preservation of strength"? It was an existential conflict for the Chinese peoples outside of the puppet government.

The Communist forces later prevailed during the culmination of the civil war, since they attracted more of the peasantry, because they appealed directly to them, organised, trained and fought beside them, against Japanese reprisal attacks aimed at civilians.

The Nationalists were their own worst enemy. Maybe if Chiang Kai-shek had been less interested in internal purges, hoarding wealth and eventually mass drug trafficking, their forces would have maintained greater popular support.

 

[Seeds]

You have to question the optics. Especially with the Labor party in charge in Vic and Nationally.
Regardless of your position it gives ammo to every media org and the opposition.

Just stay out of the limelight.

Since when does going into the limelight mean attending military parades in dictatorships and posing with photos with the biggest tyrants on the planet?

 

[Saint Shags]

Since when does going into the limelight mean attending military parades in dictatorships and posing with photos with the biggest tyrants on the planet?

More to do with the fact that no matter what he does he is going to be the focus of media coverage. But deliberately going and shaking Xi's hand and posing in a photo is making sure he is in the limelight. All Aus media sees it.

As I said the optics of it are bad. There was no reason to be there.

I'd suggest a number within the Labor party itself would be unimpressed as well.

 

[Satan]

Chinese tv march

 

[Chief]

Xi, Putin & Kim plus add in the Butcher of Belarus Lukashenko for a full house

Not sure who this guy is, but he looks to have genocidal thoughts

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Jimmy Carr??

 

[Markfs]

We are selling billions of tons to china to keep our economy afloat, but at least we're not attending their parades...

 

[Rob R]

What?

The United Front existed until 1940, and Japanese opinions thereafter were that communist gorrilas were the better trained insurgent troops.

They also won major campaigns like the Hundred Regiment Offensive.

Their organisation and willingness to fight, v the Nationalists who were seen as corrupt and disorganised, was one of the main reasons why so much of the peasantry supported the Communists v the Nationalists.

I am definitely not a fan of the CCP, but there was no "preservation of strength"? It was an existential conflict for the Chinese peoples outside of the puppet government.

The Communist forces later prevailed during the culmination of the civil war, since they attracted more of the peasantry, because they appealed directly to them, organised, trained and fought beside them, against Japanese reprisal attacks aimed at civilians.

The Nationalists were their own worst enemy. Maybe if Chiang Kai-shek had been less interested in internal purges, hoarding wealth and eventually mass drug trafficking, their forces would have maintained greater popular support.

Last point is very true - the nationalists were made people and china and the would have been a better place without the Chiang Kai Shek and Mao.
But despite Xi's orders to rewrite history as part of his propaganda campaign in preparation to attack peaceful democraric Taiwan, there is overwhelming evidence that the CCP prioritised its preservation ahead of fighting Japan such as Maos 721 doctrine, General Peng saying that the hundred regiment offensive was opposed, the CCP killing anti Japanese militia who wouldn't join then, the lack of effort after 1940

 

[blackcat]

Going to copy/paste what I wrote on the NMFC board about this situation here;

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I think Dan Andrews attending the Chinese Victory Day Parade was probably not the smartest decision he's ever made.

However I also don't think it's anywhere near as bad as some of the hyperbole around it has been. The Herald Sun's photo caption here is particularly hilarious...

"Let's list some of the worst 'atrocities' ever committed in this graphic; Xianjiang Genocide? CHECK! Assassinations? Check! Ukraine invasion? Check! Suburban Rail Link? CHECK!"

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But I understand the point being that Dan Andrews being at the same event with Putin, Jong-Un, Lukashenko etc is a bad look. And I agree! However for my money, that's more a poor reflection on China than on Dan Andrews.

China is (rightfully) trying to position themselves to be the dominant power of the 21st century. And I think they can get there and achieve that. But they need to stop being so eager for international legitimacy that they accept (and normalise!) close strategic partnerships with the likes of North Korea and Russia. If Trump wasn't the President at the moment, I don't think China would be legitimatising these countries the way they are now. We're living in an increasingly polarised world, and Trump is making it worse, not better.

As for Dan Andrews? Well... there's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with an Australian diplomat/former politician working in the China-Australia relationship sphere. And that's what Andrews was likely doing in China; he's formed a business with his former advisor Marty Mei that is focused on encouraging Chinese investment in Victoria. It's sort of a lobbying position without any actual political lobbying. You can read a bit about it in this 2024 AFR article.

So tldr? Not a great look for Andrews, but also not the terrible scandal some conservatives seem to want to make it.

After Blair and Rupert , Wendi Deng ding ding ding bingo lucky 66 is willing to offer you sloppy thirds Dan

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Yep- not a good look, although let’s face it, Dan could host a kids charity and he’d get slammed by half these posters.

Oh ok so therefore any cirticism of him is null and void? he is blamleess and holy?

Gosh this logic is really really poor.

 

[QuietB]

Yep- not a good look, although let’s face it, Dan could host a kids charity and he’d get slammed by half these posters.

I was listening to David Spears this morning and he made the very good point that maybe the real news was the actual powers that were there fully cooperating with each other, including India who the USA and Australia have been desperately trying to seduce.

It is very strange that Dan Andrews was even part of that photo - he is a nobody at that level.

 

[Satan]

I was listening to David Spears this morning and he made the very good point that maybe the real news was the actual powers that were there fully cooperating with each other, including India who the USA and Australia have been desperately trying to seduce.

It is very strange that Dan Andrews was even part of that photo - he is a nobody at that level.

Was the last visit as premier without media setting up business post retirement?

 

[the_interloper]

I was listening to David Spears this morning and he made the very good point that maybe the real news was the actual powers that were there fully cooperating with each other, including India who the USA and Australia have been desperately trying to seduce.

It is very strange that Dan Andrews was even part of that photo - he is a nobody at that level.

This was my thought too, if he's in that photo no tin foil hat but what the **** is he up to?

 

[QuietB]

This was my thought too, if he's in that photo no tin foil hat but what the **** is he up to?

My best guess is China know exactly what they are doing and would know exactly the response it would generate. All publicity is good publicity.

In which case Andrews got played. But I'm sure he is making bank on the side and it is all worthwhile for him.

Or maybe the Labor Party know exactly what they are doing and it was all stage managed as a little nod to Chinese voters in Australia.

Either way both sides knew the conservatives in Australia would lose their minds over it.

 

[Golden_6]

This was my thought too, if he's in that photo no tin foil hat but what the **** is he up to?

It’s not a secret. He’s set up a new company and is leveraging existing relationship to gain Chinese investment.

Daniel Andrews reaches for new clients with Xi Jinping handshake

The former Victorian premier has a long history of cultivating business ties with China, and is on the hunt for more clients.

www.afr.com

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I’m glad he didn’t go to Trump’s parade. That would have been embarrassing.

Aw I was hoping you'd post the footage of the tank with the squeaking caterpillar tracks.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

How is a former democratically elected official a dictator? Don't be daft.

Don't forget he somehow won three consecutive terms from free and fair elections.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Oh ok so therefore any cirticism of him is null and void? he is blamleess and holy?

Gosh this logic is really really poor.

No, I don't think that's what the poster was saying. Andrews absolutely deserves scrutiny and criticism of his actions.

I think the poster was simply observing that he seems to live rent-free inside his RW detractors' heads the way it is often said Donald Trump does in progressives' heads.

 

[Mutineer]

Spot on

 

[Markfs]

next thing, we'll see ex-australian politicians attend parades for world leaders who are child murderers. Not that sky would mind that...

 

[kalex6251]

next thing, we'll see ex-australian politicians attend parades for world leaders who are child murderers. Not that sky would mind that...

or something as equally objectionable




conservative hysteria around this has been very amusing ...... im sure andrews has had a chuckle (or 2)

 

[eddiesmith]

My best guess is China know exactly what they are doing and would know exactly the response it would generate. All publicity is good publicity.

In which case Andrews got played. But I'm sure he is making bank on the side and it is all worthwhile for him.

Or maybe the Labor Party know exactly what they are doing and it was all stage managed as a little nod to Chinese voters in Australia.

Either way both sides knew the conservatives in Australia would lose their minds over it.

100% stage managed, you’ve even got Jacinta coming out and condemning the negative reaction as an attack on Chinese people in Australia