Discussion So I crunched the numbers …. again

[damicky]

He misses himself mate, good campaigner though

Say “Hi ” to him for me

 

[Tigerturbulance]

the wonders dont focus on diversity

we focus on inclusion

we are all 1

we are all winners

also known as communism

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

My take on the engagement thing is - trying to champion the SFA as whole and working outside your own team control doesn't work and those that try get disgruntled and end up not engaging as a result

We have an Admin who oversees the SFA calendar, fixture and running of the place.

We have a committee who can discuss and make recommendations about what's going on holistically or day to day from team levels.

We have Captains who look after individual clubs, player health and engagement, club admin, records and events.

If teams are not engaging in weekly banter for whatever reason the buck ends with the Captain. Its the Captains energy and engagement that will see us get out of any engagement slump. If every Captain ensures they have a list of at least 15 active posters then there would be no issue. The same with recruitment, if every Captain actively recruited rookies we would have no problem. People say they cant or don't like recruitment and want someone else to do it. OOBs have recruited 21 rookies over 7 seasons with 10 still current and active in the SFA. This didn't happen by chance but through effort and lots of knockbacks. The best way to recruit in my opinion is for the Captain to identify and reach out selling the team they run. We don't need Captains that just want to be Captains for the status of it but because they are willing to do more work than anyone else in their team and I'm not talking about just putting in team sheets but actively driving the team in the team PM and encouraging posting when match threads are languishing.

If a captain wants to use the excuse they don't have the time then they shouldn't be Captains, if no-one else in the team wants to find the time and step up then serious thought should then be given to folding the club.

Either we as a group accept poor performing teams or we actually demand performance from clubs with more than 50% of its list not posting at all for the season. At the moment all a club needs is 22 people on its list to be a club, maybe its time to also demand a number of active players and if that is not met over a couple of seasons then the club is put on notice and removed if they don't meet the requirement for a third season.

We either demand teams be responsible for their performance or we just keep complaining about how the 'SFA' is somehow flat and to blame.

If only someone had been saying all of this like 5 or so seasons ago...

 

[damicky]

also known as communism

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That is why I named him The DictatAUR

 

[AnUltimateRessie]

also known as communism

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if that is what you want to call it. I won't stop you but you'll join us when you realise we are right

 

[AnUltimateRessie]

if no-one else in the team wants to find the time and step up then serious thought should then be given to folding the club.

thoughts ClarkeM ?

 

[Kilroy]

My take on the engagement thing is - trying to champion the SFA as whole and working outside your own team control doesn't work and those that try get disgruntled and end up not engaging as a result

If this is true then teams that need players would need to provide a “recruiter” to any such activities.

The best way to recruit in my opinion is for the Captain to identify and reach out selling the team they run.

If we can restate your suggestions but with a Leadership Group as those responsible, it might sound like this …

If teams are not engaging in weekly banter for whatever reason the buck ends with the (LG) …

Its the (LGs) energy and engagement that will see us get out of any engagement slump.

If every (LG) ensures they have a list of at least 15 active posters then there would be no issue.

The same with recruitment, if every (LG) actively recruited rookies we would have no problem … This (doesn't) happen by chance but through effort and lots of knockbacks …

Is that more equitable - and perhaps more realistic (and less reliant on the one person)?

… if (the current LG can’t do it over a few seasons and …) no-one else in the team wants to find the time and step up then serious thought should then be given to folding the club.

We either demand teams be responsible for their performance or we just keep complaining about how the 'SFA' is somehow flat and to blame.

The point still stands that teams may choose not to post more or indeed engage more (as you yourself said earlier Turbo). They may instead work on improving the “quality” of their output.

If true, they likely wouldn’t appreciate being raided or forced to close by those outside their club, but they may be able to be seen to be evident.

 

[Kilroy]

TIL there's status to being a captain

dependent on which club you are at

On the surface of it, some teams appear to be “more equal than others”.

As in the AFL, destination clubs get more than their share of recruits.

Perhaps the focus of recruitment activities should be on the teams who want to improve, rather than simply providing more avenues for successful clubs to “strut around like a bunch of peacocks”.

Successful clubs could offer support in providing platforms for the less active clubs to explore/engage in.

But when it comes to S40 celebrations it should be a free-for-all!

Let the barnyard strutting begin!!

…. and while everyone should get involved it might be more appropriate to have Gralin Mobbs or even an owner start the thread?

Has the Committee already got plans in this regard? We wouldn’t want to have competing threads.

 

[Tigerturbulance]

On the surface of it, some teams appear to be “more equal than others”.

As in the AFL, destination clubs get more than their share of recruits.

Perhaps the focus should be on the teams who want to improve, rather than simply providing more avenues for successful clubs to “strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand”.

Successful clubs could offer support in providing platforms for the less active clubs to explore/engage in.

totally disagree with your post, AFL clubs have restrictions on recruiting and caps so your comparison with a fantasy league from the start is BS

You state "Perhaps the focus should be on the teams who want to improve, rather than simply providing more avenues for successful clubs to “strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand”.

Well as a person who was in a club S26 (Furies) that lost all its players and was on its knees then got the club up in 3 seasons to a strong team then started a team (OOBs) from scratch S34 and became a strong team you might respect my opinion of knowing what it takes to make a side in this environment.

The concept of teams being equal in a fantasy league is pure BS, the stronger engaged teams rule.

You state-"Successful clubs could offer support in providing platforms for the less active clubs to explore/engage in."
So you are in a self proclaimed strong team the Bombers so why are you not joining or helping the swamprats or Furies who have over half there team not posting....... My guess is you will just keep posting about clubs that you think "strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand” rather than do anything for the teams you deem less active.

Disagree or not Kilroy WTF have you done to help the SFA or another team to make the SFA more equal out side of being a Bomber?

 

[Callums_Guns]

totally disagree with your post, AFL clubs have restrictions on recruiting and caps so your comparison with a fantasy league from the start is BS

You state "Perhaps the focus should be on the teams who want to improve, rather than simply providing more avenues for successful clubs to “strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand”.

Well as a person who was in a club S26 (Furies) that lost all its players and was on its knees then got the club up in 3 seasons to a strong team then started a team (OOBs) from scratch S34 and became a strong team you might respect my opinion of knowing what it takes to make a side in this environment.

The concept of teams being equal in a fantasy league is pure BS, the stronger engaged teams rule.

You state-"Successful clubs could offer support in providing platforms for the less active clubs to explore/engage in."
So you are in a self proclaimed strong team the Bombers so why are you not joining or helping the swamprats or Furies who have over half there team not posting....... My guess is you will just keep posting about clubs that you think "strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand” rather than do anything for the teams you deem less active.

Disagree or not Kilroy WTF have you done to help the SFA or another team to make the SFA more equal out side of being a Bomber?

Let's remove the BYE let Jabba and Kilroy add the 14th team in and let DP run the Bombers / could work in conjunction with the Bombers as well behind the scenes and help DP turn the Bombers into a all female team

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14th team lead by Jabs and Kilroy ??

Jaber AL Ahmad Peacock FC or Damascus Disc Jockey FC

or



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Disagree or not Kilroy WTF have you done to help the SFA or another team to make the SFA more equal out side of being a Bomber?

I think give them a chance to help set up an all-female qooty team and kick off the 14th team could even concentrate on music if they want, would assist in recruiting new players or returning players from the SC, or other music threads

 

[DemurePrincess]

totally disagree with your post, AFL clubs have restrictions on recruiting and caps so your comparison with a fantasy league from the start is BS

You state "Perhaps the focus should be on the teams who want to improve, rather than simply providing more avenues for successful clubs to “strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand”.

Well as a person who was in a club S26 (Furies) that lost all its players and was on its knees then got the club up in 3 seasons to a strong team then started a team (OOBs) from scratch S34 and became a strong team you might respect my opinion of knowing what it takes to make a side in this environment.

The concept of teams being equal in a fantasy league is pure BS, the stronger engaged teams rule.

You state-"Successful clubs could offer support in providing platforms for the less active clubs to explore/engage in."
So you are in a self proclaimed strong team the Bombers so why are you not joining or helping the swamprats or Furies who have over half there team not posting....... My guess is you will just keep posting about clubs that you think "strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand” rather than do anything for the teams you deem less active.

Disagree or not Kilroy WTF have you done to help the SFA or another team to make the SFA more equal out side of being a Bomber?

Says you…. Poster thief

 

[Pamcake1]

My take on the engagement thing is - trying to champion the SFA as whole and working outside your own team control doesn't work and those that try get disgruntled and end up not engaging as a result

We have an Admin who oversees the SFA calendar, fixture and running of the place.

We have a committee who can discuss and make recommendations about what's going on holistically or day to day from team levels.

We have Captains who look after individual clubs, player health and engagement, club admin, records and events.

If teams are not engaging in weekly banter ....

We do have a Committee but it is by recent experience proving to be moribund.
The Chair of the Committee doesn't seem to be at all bothered to convene it correctly, via not indulging bias (this is also true for all members of a committee), doesn't answer basic questions about the fundemental issues such as what has been put in place and or ideas to commemorate the S40 and whether it would be an idea to have a general support/introductory page for Rookies (as mentioned to me by your LG mate thewizardmelon * ).
These questions and some suggestions have been directly asked.
Being a Chairperson, it takes skill to facilitate actions, ensuring that a committee does not descend into partisan politics that derail the Committee's primary purposes and a commitment to engagement of all for the good of the whole.

I'm getting no satisfaction for effort and the distinct vibe that this Committee does not want to move forward and that it is highly dysfunctional.
It's been an eye opener seeing the self blinding arrogance of more than one member and their limited capacity to act with intention for the good of the SFA over their personal preferences.
Ruling by attrition and stonewalling (empire maintainence) are bad policy that gets everyone nowhere fast.
There are more than a few here who find these ultimately self defeating levers apt alas.

*Wiz like more than a few here, sees the real need for assisting all Rookies, in settling in to the SFA with confidence of knowing the lay of the land and how to participate. This applaudable aim is with a view to retaining Rookies and for their enjoyment, positive retention and longterm health of the SFA.

 

[Pamcake1]

Let's remove the BYE let Jabba and Kilroy add the 14th team in and let DP run the Bombers / could work in conjunction with the Bombers as well behind the scenes and help DP turn the Bombers into a all female team

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14th team lead by Jabs and Kilroy ??

Jaber AL Ahmad Peacock FC or Damascus Disc Jockey FC

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or

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I think give them a chance to help set up an all-female qooty team and kick off the 14th team could even concentrate on music if they want, would assist in recruiting new players or returning players from the SC, or other music threads

An all female team idea is 'ghettoisation' that has never worked and always insures 'otherness'.
We are all people, we don't need further divisiveness by way of gender allocation.

 

[DemurePrincess]

Let's remove the BYE let Jabba and Kilroy add the 14th team in and let DP run the Bombers / could work in conjunction with the Bombers as well behind the scenes and help DP turn the Bombers into a all female team

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14th team lead by Jabs and Kilroy ??

Jaber AL Ahmad Peacock FC or Damascus Disc Jockey FC

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or

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I think give them a chance to help set up an all-female qooty team and kick off the 14th team could even concentrate on music if they want, would assist in recruiting new players or returning players from the SC, or other music threads

Ewww god! That much oestrogen in one team

An all female team idea is 'ghettoisation' that has never worked and always insures 'otherness'.
We are all people, we don't need further divisiveness by way of gender allocation.

Thank god you said it lol

Couldn’t think of anything more horrible

 

[AnUltimateRessie]

We do have a Committee but it is by recent experience proving to be moribund.
The Chair of the Committee doesn't seem to be at all bothered to convene it correctly, via not indulging bias (this is also true for all members of a committee), doesn't answer basic questions about the fundemental issues such as what has been put in place and or ideas to commemorate the S40 and whether it would be an idea to have a general support/introductory page for Rookies (as mentioned to me by your LG mate thewizardmelon * ).
These questions and some suggestions have been directly asked.
Being a Chairperson, it takes skill to facilitate actions, ensuring that a committee does not descend into partisan politics that derail the Committee's primary purposes and a commitment to engagement of all for the good of the whole.

I'm getting no satisfaction for effort and the distinct vibe that this Committee does not want to move forward and that it is highly dysfunctional.
It's been an eye opener seeing the self blinding arrogance of more than one member and their limited capacity to act with intention for the good of the SFA over their personal preferences.
Ruling by attrition and stonewalling (empire maintainence) are bad policy that gets everyone nowhere fast.
There are more than a few here who find these ultimately self defeating levers apt alas.

*Wiz like more than a few here, sees the real need for assisting all Rookies, in settling in to the SFA with confidence of knowing the lay of the land and how to participate. This applaudable aim is with a view to retaining Rookies and for their enjoyment, positive retention and longterm health of the SFA.

forcing you onto the committee has been my greatest captaincy call tbh

 

[Tigerturbulance]

We do have a Committee but it is by recent experience proving to be moribund.
The Chair of the Committee doesn't seem to be at all bothered to convene it correctly, via not indulging bias (this is also true for all members of a committee), doesn't answer basic questions about the fundemental issues such as what has been put in place and or ideas to commemorate the S40 and whether it would be an idea to have a general support/introductory page for Rookies (as mentioned to me by your LG mate thewizardmelon * ).
These questions and some suggestions have been directly asked.
Being a Chairperson, it takes skill to facilitate actions, ensuring that a committee does not descend into partisan politics that derail the Committee's primary purposes and a commitment to engagement of all for the good of the whole.

I'm getting no satisfaction for effort and the distinct vibe that this Committee does not want to move forward and that it is highly dysfunctional.
It's been an eye opener seeing the self blinding arrogance of more than one member and their limited capacity to act with intention for the good of the SFA over their personal preferences.
Ruling by attrition and stonewalling (empire maintainence) are bad policy that gets everyone nowhere fast.
There are more than a few here who find these ultimately self defeating levers apt alas.

*Wiz like more than a few here, sees the real need for assisting all Rookies, in settling in to the SFA with confidence of knowing the lay of the land and how to participate. This applaudable aim is with a view to retaining Rookies and for their enjoyment, positive retention and longterm health of the SFA.

At Spotswood we actually have an individual who looks after rookies. Mrs Turbo is Head of House and has a private PM with the OOB rookies and lets them know weekly what is going on and explains things in a way they understand and is also available for any questions they have outside of our team PM. I also think that as a whole the SFA should also engage the rookies as a group and develop comradery between them to help make them feel included in their first season in what can be a hard place to figure out.

 

[Pamcake1]

At Spotswood we actually have an individual who looks after rookies. Mrs Turbo is Head of House and has a private PM with the OOB rookies and lets them know weekly what is going on and explains things in a way they understand and is also available for any questions they have outside of our team PM. I also think that as a whole the SFA should also engage the rookies as a group and develop comradery between them to help make them feel included in their first season in what can be a hard place to figure out.

Eggsacerly......develop comradery and make them feel included. So easy to do really. Wish the committee thought so.

 

[Pamcake1]

forcing you onto the committee has been my greatest captaincy call tbh

Yes, maybe I should offer my thanks one of these days.

 

[Headless]

Eggsacerly......develop comradery and make them feel included. So easy to do really. Wish the committee thought so.

You want committee to force individual clubs to welcome their club rookies in certain ways?

 

[Pamcake1]

You want committee to force individual clubs to welcome their club rookies in certain ways?

No.
I see the benefit of having an introductory page for all Rookies in the 'above the line' section as a resource for them.

This would be non partisan.

A Welcome and FAQs page.
That could be interactive for the Rookies for that season and then wiped and relaunched for the next years crop.

 

[sausageroll]

Ewww god! That much oestrogen in one team

Thank god you said it lol

Couldn’t think of anything more horrible

Do you know why you couldn't think of anything more horrible?

It's because you've never had to play on the same team as Tarkyn_24

 

[Callums_Guns]

Do you know why you couldn't think of anything more horrible?

It's because you've never had to play on the same team as Tarkyn_24

Least he’s having fun


Now we know why he doesn’t handball

 

[Kilroy]

totally disagree with your post, AFL clubs have restrictions on recruiting and caps so your comparison with a fantasy league from the start is BS

I take it you’re not familiar with Falconista’s seminal work on this?



https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/falcon-files-weet-alary-peculation-s37.1381239/

You state "Perhaps the focus should be on the teams who want to improve, rather than simply providing more avenues for successful clubs to “strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand”.

For the purposes of recruitment clearly some clubs are killing it and don’t require any outside assistance

Well as a person who was in a club S26 (Furies) that lost all its players and was on its knees then got the club up in 3 seasons to a strong team then started a team (OOBs) from scratch S34 and became a strong team you might respect my opinion of knowing what it takes to make a side in this environment.

No argument. A difficult task and a credit to all those involved.

Those who tried but failed deserve credit for the lessons learnt as well.

The concept of teams being equal in a fantasy league is pure BS, the stronger engaged teams rule.

Is there a more iconic duo than BS and fantasy?

You state-"Successful clubs could offer support in providing platforms for the less active clubs to explore/engage in."

The best example of this is through media threads, activities and awards.

So you are in a self proclaimed strong team the Bombers so why are you not joining or helping the swamprats or Furies who have over half there team not posting.......

That’s what the purpose of this very thread is Turbo.

Becoming a journeyman is open to those wanting to make connections and learn a variety of ways teams build and contribute to the SFA community.

Staying at the same club, being flexible and building skills and confidence is just as valuable.

My guess is you will just keep posting about clubs that you think "strut around like a bunch of peacocks trying to get the upper hand” rather than do anything for the teams you deem less active.

Disagree or not Kilroy WTF have you done to help the SFA or another team to make the SFA more equal out side of being a Bomber?

Thanks for asking …

I’ve been the key driver behind the scenes of the Rising Star Award for the majority of the last 10 seasons

I worked closely with the key “sophomores” in researching rookie contributions, making collaborative judgments and running the event itself.

 

[Tonga Bob]

Hey serial_thrilla Chipmunk GWS Goose GremioPower Bastyy Piggy Smalls Cap Bovo jezzajay remember when we were rookies and we took over the league in our first season? We had a group and everything.

Good times.

 

[Kilroy]

We do have a Committee but it is by recent experience proving to be moribund.
The Chair of the Committee doesn't seem to be at all bothered to convene it correctly, via not indulging bias (this is also true for all members of a committee), doesn't answer basic questions about the fundemental issues such as what has been put in place and or ideas to commemorate the S40 …

Oh dear.

The last thing we need is a Committee who’s actions are perfunctory at best.

… and whether it would be an idea to have a general support/introductory page for Rookies …

Having worked with you and thewizardmelon closely in your sophomore seasons, I agree as to how helpful it would be.

It was something also proposed by Frederico_WA (a talented Fury) before he tragically and unexpectedly disappeared from the SFA altogether.

Being a Chairperson, it takes skill to facilitate actions, ensuring that a committee does not descend into partisan politics that derail the Committee's primary purposes …

Having a united effort would seem almost essential, at least for the clubs needing support.

The competition as a whole surely benefits from seeing progress made towards common objectives.

I'm getting no satisfaction for effort and the distinct vibe that this Committee does not want to move forward and that it is highly dysfunctional.

Reward for effort is undoubtedly important in maintaining motivation.

I dare say, if the Committee don’t start to take such genuine and heartfelt intentions seriously, they could easily end up losing control of the agenda …

… unless that really is their agenda and we’re falling for their cunning ruse?