Review Preliminary Final, 2025 - Collingwood vs. Brisbane Lions

[domus]

It’s not just questionable, it’s a definite non-free, by the rules… the fact that most people don’t know the rules (have literally never read them) doesn’t change what the correct interpretation should be. I feel sorry for the umpire, who was dead right but was copping angst.

Can I ask a genuine question? I do come in peace and the comments here seem reasonable. For as long as I've watched the game (and played it) front on contact in a marking contest was an instant free-no matter how insignificant the contact.

I've seen countless occasions when players have had their eyes on the ball but made contact and were immediately pinged for front on infringement. I will add that I have seen a number of examples where a player running back with the flight of the ball with an opposition player waiting to receive it and the defender has fisted the pill without touching the forward. The commentators always go crazy complimenting the defender for "getting ALL ball" with his fist otherwise he would have given away the free! I saw Josh Daicos do exactly this during this season.

Why do they give great credit to the defender for getting all ball if it makes no difference as long as his eyes were on the ball?

 

[braddsey]

Can I ask a genuine question? I do come in peace and the comments here seem reasonable. For as long as I've watched the game (and played it) front on contact in a marking contest was an instant free-no matter how insignificant the contact.

I've seen countless occasions when players have had their eyes on the ball but made contact and were immediately pinged for front on infringement. I will add that I have seen a number of examples where a player running back with the flight of the ball with an opposition player waiting to receive it and the defender has fisted the pill without touching the forward. The commentators always go crazy complimenting the defender for "getting ALL ball" with his fist otherwise he would have given away the free! I saw Josh Daicos do exactly this during this season.

Why do they give great credit to the defender for getting all ball if it makes no difference as long as his eyes were on the ball?

Just because a rule has always been adjudicated incorrectly previously, doesn't mean it's now wrong if it is judged according to the laws of the game as they stand today.
These are the rules in the marking contest. Starcevich didn't appear to do (a), (b), (c), (d) or (e) in my view (nor the umpires view). At best, let's say it's a 50/50 call on if he actually got a knuckle on the ball or not. A 50/50 call can go either way particularly in real time without a replay from 20 different angles in super slow motion. In this case, based on the position of the umpire, he assessed that it was a fair spoil.

Why do "they" give credit? Likely because "they" don't actually know the rules.

 

[domus]

My question to you, which has rarely been mentioned by the Vic click bait media is this, what level of angst is being directed at Tim Membrey by Collingwood fans. He should be the villain, not the easy target, the umps? He’s taken a mark no more than 35m out on a slight angle and decides to pass it with a shit floating kick. Is any responsibility being taken there or are we only interested in the narrative that it was the umps fault?

To be fair, Membrey's poor decision is irrelevant. The point of contention is what happened after he kicked it. I know footy crowds are notoriously biased- but when 75K Collingwood supporters simultaneously lose their minds over a non decision, something stinks in Denmark. I was unperturbed when Membrey lobbed that pass because I immediately saw that either Billy would mark it or get a front on infringement.

You'll have to take my word for it, but my son never gets out of his seat over a decision or wastes his breath booing or abusing the umps. He was apoplectic when the ump chose to wave play on. I can promise you, if Starcevich is a man of honour- he would concede he could not believe he wasn't penalized after that defensive effort. I'm sure he acknowledged as much in the sanctity of their changerooms after the game.

 

[braddsey]

To be fair, Membrey's poor decision is irrelevant. The point of contention is what happened after he kicked it. I know footy crowds are notoriously biased- but when 75K Collingwood supporters simultaneously lose their minds over a non decision, something stinks in Denmark. I was unperturbed when Membrey lobbed that pass because I immediately saw that either Billy would mark it or get a front on infringement.

You'll have to take my word for it, but my son never gets out of his seat over a decision or wastes his breath booing or abusing the umps. He was apoplectic when the ump chose to wave play on. I can promise you, if Starcevich is a man of honour- he would concede he could not believe he wasn't penalized after that defensive effort. I'm sure he acknowledged as much in the sanctity of their changerooms after the game.

Time to leave now. Enjoy your off-season.

 

[martinson]

To be fair, Membrey's poor decision is irrelevant. The point of contention is what happened after he kicked it. I know footy crowds are notoriously biased- but when 75K Collingwood supporters simultaneously lose their minds over a non decision, something stinks in Denmark. I was unperturbed when Membrey lobbed that pass because I immediately saw that either Billy would mark it or get a front on infringement.

You'll have to take my word for it, but my son never gets out of his seat over a decision or wastes his breath booing or abusing the umps. He was apoplectic when the ump chose to wave play on. I can promise you, if Starcevich is a man of honour- he would concede he could not believe he wasn't penalized after that defensive effort. I'm sure he acknowledged as much in the sanctity of their changerooms after the game.

To be fair it's one incident in a game full of incidents.

Is the obsession Collingwood and the press have about something that was at least contentious to take the heat off the fact that they got torched.

I've never heard such a carry on . The Pies supporters have lost the plot.

 

[domus]

Just because a rule has always been adjudicated incorrectly previously, doesn't mean it's now wrong if it is judged according to the laws of the game as they stand today.
These are the rules in the marking contest. Starcevich didn't appear to do (a), (b), (c), (d) or (e) in my view (nor the umpires view). At best, let's say it's a 50/50 call on if he actually got a knuckle on the ball or not. A 50/50 call can go either way particularly in real time without a replay from 20 different angles in super slow motion. In this case, based on the position of the umpire, he assessed that it was a fair spoil.

Why do "they" give credit? Likely because "they" don't actually know the rules.

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So you are saying the umpire fraternity has misinterpreted this rule for decades and nobody has ever pulled them aside during their weekly training session and told them they have got it all wrong? And this applies all the way through to local footy. I've even heard players yell at the ump claiming they had eyes on the ball and they have always stated it doesn't matter, you cannot make front on contact with a player who is attempting to mark the ball.

I wish I had the technical know-how to compile twenty examples of this from this very season. And that line about Whose sole objective is not to contest or spoil a mark is insane. In what situation would any player not be either contesting the mark or attempting to spoil?

And if this is the letter of the law why is Andrew Dillon so ambivalent? He should state emphatically that it was not an infringement and never has been! Then we will know next time that we can crash into a player awaiting a pass from front on as long as we are watching the pill. What a crock! They have never allowed that.

 

[domus]

To be fair it's one incident in a game full of incidents.

Is the obsession Collingwood and the press have about something that was at least contentious to take the heat off the fact that they got torched.

I've never heard such a carry on . The Pies supporters have lost the plot.

Yes-Lions supporters never complain about non decisions in finals.....oh wait.

 

[Whatamark]

To be fair, Membrey's poor decision is irrelevant. The point of contention is what happened after he kicked it. I know footy crowds are notoriously biased- but when 75K Collingwood supporters simultaneously lose their minds over a non decision, something stinks in Denmark. I was unperturbed when Membrey lobbed that pass because I immediately saw that either Billy would mark it or get a front on infringement.

You'll have to take my word for it, but my son never gets out of his seat over a decision or wastes his breath booing or abusing the umps. He was apoplectic when the ump chose to wave play on. I can promise you, if Starcevich is a man of honour- he would concede he could not believe he wasn't penalized after that defensive effort. I'm sure he acknowledged as much in the sanctity of their changerooms after the game.

FMD your son and 75K biased Pie fans are the QED that it was a free. Try responding to the actual rules as they are written.
Now that they have had the rules explained/read to them even the VFL biased media are reduced to saying "it's normally paid a free" which is just the "feels", ignoring the times it never is.

 

[Ironmonger]

but when 75K Collingwood supporters simultaneously lose their minds over a non decision, something stinks in Denmark.

I'm pretty sure that's other Collingwood supporters you can smell.

 

[martinson]

Yes-Lions supporters never complain about non decisions in finals.....oh wait.

You're nuts mate.

You got done by 5 goals plus and you come on here wanting to argue the point about one decision in a game of footy a week after it's over.

Find something useful to do with your life.

 

[LongLion]

Yes-Lions supporters never complain about non decisions in finals.....oh wait.

Yes we might complain however we do not carry on with this Sh*t for ever and a day. Move on. Do you want to talk about Levi getting his head ripped off that seems to get forgotten in the media bias? That ended up in a goal to your boys.

 

[martinson]

Are you serious; so Membrey is at no fault and the reason you lost is down to the umpire and let me get this straight, Starcevich needs to apologise profusely to all and sundry at Collingwood and what else would you like Starcevich do even though unlike Tiny Nick who gets to officiate games whilst he’s playing.

I'm completely astounded at how much this has triggered them. They're clinging to it as the only salvageable piece in a game where they finally woke up that their list is too old and they don't have much coming through either.

Fly looked crestfallen tbh.

 

[010203]

I didn't like that twat Whateley asking Simon Meredith what he would pay if another incident akin to the Jamie Elliott non free happens on Saturday. Meredith said he'd pay it fwiw.

 

[LongLion]

Are you serious; so Membrey is at no fault and the reason you lost is down to the umpire and let me get this straight, Starcevich needs to apologise profusely to all and sundry at Collingwood and what else would you like Starcevich do even though unlike Tiny Nick who gets to officiate games whilst he’s playing.

Sir Nick is getting his umpiring learnings from Pendles.

 

[rye]

To be fair, Membrey's poor decision is irrelevant. The point of contention is what happened after he kicked it. I know footy crowds are notoriously biased- but when 75K Collingwood supporters simultaneously lose their minds over a non decision, something stinks in Denmark. I was unperturbed when Membrey lobbed that pass because I immediately saw that either Billy would mark it or get a front on infringement.

You'll have to take my word for it, but my son never gets out of his seat over a decision or wastes his breath booing or abusing the umps. He was apoplectic when the ump chose to wave play on. I can promise you, if Starcevich is a man of honour- he would concede he could not believe he wasn't penalized after that defensive effort. I'm sure he acknowledged as much in the sanctity of their changerooms after the game.

lmao

 

[Tom14]

I didn't like that twat Whateley asking Simon Meredith what he would pay if another incident akin to the Jamie Elliott non free happens on Saturday. Meredith said he'd pay it fwiw.

The Nerdling needs to be dealt with.

 

[Fluke]

lmao

Yeah, that might have been one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen in here in a while haha

 

[Zacs_Magic_Tooth]

Can I ask a genuine question? I do come in peace and the comments here seem reasonable. For as long as I've watched the game (and played it) front on contact in a marking contest was an instant free-no matter how insignificant the contact.

I've seen countless occasions when players have had their eyes on the ball but made contact and were immediately pinged for front on infringement. I will add that I have seen a number of examples where a player running back with the flight of the ball with an opposition player waiting to receive it and the defender has fisted the pill without touching the forward. The commentators always go crazy complimenting the defender for "getting ALL ball" with his fist otherwise he would have given away the free! I saw Josh Daicos do exactly this during this season.

Why do they give great credit to the defender for getting all ball if it makes no difference as long as his eyes were on the ball?

He’d already lost the marking contest before any contact occurred. Off you pop

 

[MSB ROYS]

I'm completely astounded at how much this has triggered them. They're clinging to it as the only salvageable piece in a game where they finally woke up that their list is too old and they don't have much coming through either.

Fly looked crestfallen tbh.

Agree, I think that the preliminary final has inflicted some emotional damage. They were flying high earlier in the year and it totally fell apart at the end of the season. The Suns gave them some hope by losing to Port and giving them a second chance. Beating Adelaide turned out to be a false dawn. They had quite a few poor players in the PF and it's actually to their credit that they were close enough to win in the last quarter. However, the Lions were only 3 goals down early in the last quarter against the Cats a few weeks ago but that means nothing. Deep down they know that their list is probably cooked for a few years.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

The pies supporters should be thanking the umps, Starch, and the rest of Lions players for saving them from 10+ goal flogging by Geelong in the GF.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

To be fair, Membrey's poor decision is irrelevant. The point of contention is what happened after he kicked it. I know footy crowds are notoriously biased- but when 75K Collingwood supporters simultaneously lose their minds over a non decision, something stinks in Denmark. I was unperturbed when Membrey lobbed that pass because I immediately saw that either Billy would mark it or get a front on infringement.

You'll have to take my word for it, but my son never gets out of his seat over a decision or wastes his breath booing or abusing the umps. He was apoplectic when the ump chose to wave play on. I can promise you, if Starcevich is a man of honour- he would concede he could not believe he wasn't penalized after that defensive effort. I'm sure he acknowledged as much in the sanctity of their changerooms after the game.

It wasn’t directly in front though was it
Starce came in with his fist from about 45 degree angle.
Probably the umpire was in a position to see this.
Considering that , it was a fifty fifty decision .
Considering that if I was you I’d be disappointed as well.
Go back to the grand final 2023
Nick daicos throws his head back no contact
Free and first goal for the game but who cares
The pies were better all day and I’m sure we got frees as well that weren’t there.
I was there and stayed back for the presentation
The better team won on the day

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

To be fair it's one incident in a game full of incidents.

Is the obsession Collingwood and the press have about something that was at least contentious to take the heat off the fact that they got torched.

I've never heard such a carry on . The Pies supporters have lost the plot.

The carry on from the media has fueled it , hear it enough and you believe yus was robbed

 

[010203]

I'd understand Pies fans clinging to that non free if the final margin was 12 points or fewer but they lost by 5 goals!

 

[Elixuh]

Can I ask a genuine question? I do come in peace and the comments here seem reasonable. For as long as I've watched the game (and played it) front on contact in a marking contest was an instant free-no matter how insignificant the contact.

I've seen countless occasions when players have had their eyes on the ball but made contact and were immediately pinged for front on infringement. I will add that I have seen a number of examples where a player running back with the flight of the ball with an opposition player waiting to receive it and the defender has fisted the pill without touching the forward. The commentators always go crazy complimenting the defender for "getting ALL ball" with his fist otherwise he would have given away the free! I saw Josh Daicos do exactly this during this season.

Why do they give great credit to the defender for getting all ball if it makes no difference as long as his eyes were on the ball?

It’s an extremely hard rule to officiate because the ump gets one split second look at the contest. They don’t see all the slow motion replays so I think there is a tendency to overpay the front on contact. We had one paid against us in rd24 against Hawthorn which on replay was a fair contest.

I thought starce and Elliot both played it perfectly. It was then flip a coin as to how it could be interpreted I think what helped starce was how obvious it was he was looking at the ball and then made absolute minimal contact.

 

[Elixuh]

To be fair, Membrey's poor decision is irrelevant. The point of contention is what happened after he kicked it. I know footy crowds are notoriously biased- but when 75K Collingwood supporters simultaneously lose their minds over a non decision, something stinks in Denmark. I was unperturbed when Membrey lobbed that pass because I immediately saw that either Billy would mark it or get a front on infringement.

You'll have to take my word for it, but my son never gets out of his seat over a decision or wastes his breath booing or abusing the umps. He was apoplectic when the ump chose to wave play on. I can promise you, if Starcevich is a man of honour- he would concede he could not believe he wasn't penalized after that defensive effort. I'm sure he acknowledged as much in the sanctity of their changerooms after the game.

This makes me feel much better about the umpire not paying a free. Thank you .