Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[Premiership Quarter]

Nor should we - irresponsible list management to give a player like Flanders that type of deal when we already have similar types in the team

who are the similar types? i dont think we have his type

 

[JJBagger]

The same murphy Reid that won the rising star you mean? A ‘B’ grader.

But we know jagga is ‘A’ grade?

He may well be but our draft record hasn’t been flash.

All we know so far is he is very talented. Quick etc. But he is very skinny and has done a knee already.

But ok Jagga is ‘A’ grade and Murphy Reid is a ‘B’ grader.

We could have had two good choices instead of one. And built our team that way. Langford, Reid etc

But we thought jagga would be the cherry on top. How wrong they were.

Danyle Pearce won the rising star. Lewis taylor won the rising star over Bont. Just because you win the rising star, doesn't mean you are an A grader. This may be the best Reid ever plays. His celing certainly wasn't A grade at the time of drafting. We needed young talent, not just guys that could be good depth.

I don't think they thought Jagga was going to be the cherry on top, they were future proofing ourselves. I think they knew this year could go the way it did

 

[Foucault1989]

Based on what? This just sounds like an opinion masquerading as fact

It is an opinion. I never claimed facts

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Bring me F1s, as many as we can get

 

[The Return of the Paf]

So Charlie & TDK gets us
Hayward
Pick 2
Sydney’s 1st 2026
Maybe Dattoli

Not bleedin' Hayward, one of the players I love to hate.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Pick #8 but yes, we def overpaid for him...

It just wasn't even the right time to chase a player like that...

I have to disagree with that. We had taken 10 first round picks in the draft over 5 years before picking him up.
Had brought in Gov, Martin and Williams who we all thought would be very good dynamic players.
The spine was near set.
Still had room to bring in more players as we showed the next season.
Picks that season were even less valuable than this season.

 

[loco3]

We are unfortunately not going to get a star player for Curnow. It just doesn't happen. We are going to have to decide if we can maximise multiple first round picks and solid B graders to produce more depth and consistency in the interim to keep us competitive while getting vital pieces to set us up long term with high end elite youth, understanding there are no guarantees as we've seen with this current 66 game rebuild of ours, filled with wasted draft picks at the pointy end.

I am coming around to trading Curnow for the Swans 1st rounders in 26 and 27, Florent and Hayward. Both of those guys fill spots in our best 22 for 5 - 6 years, they are rarely injured and good for culture.

Trade up to pick 2 this year, have points for next year to get Cody comfortably.

It's not ideal and I'd like more but better than the media circus surrounding Curnow for another 12 months.

We may also do a mega trade to get pick 2 from West Coast without giving up the TDK compo pick.

I like Hayward in this deal. But I would pushing harder on the picks. Get swans to get pick 2 from WC themselves. May need to package #9 with McDonald.

Curnow >> Hayward, #2, F1 sounds better to me.

Are there any promising 21-24 year olds that could be targeted with TDK compo?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I have to disagree with that. We had taken 10 first round picks in the draft over 5 years before picking him up.
Had brought in Gov, Martin and Williams who we all thought would be very good dynamic players.
The spine was near set.
Still had room to bring in more players as we showed the next season.
Picks that season were even less valuable than this season.

You don't chase a 27 yr old hbf with your top pick when you're not in a premiership window...

We should have used that pick to chase someone more suitable for our list at the time...

 

[GoBlues!]

Is it just me, or is anyone else getting lots of dead pages when clicking on BigFooty this week?

I think the BF site has a self regulating algorithm that edits out posts that are the same or are so silly it just delet…e..s…..

 

[no fate]

‘IF’ Charlie gets to Sydney they go close to winning a flag.

So the deal proposed would be Hayward/Florent and picks 15/18 for the next two years.

IMO that’s a horrendous deal.

This is THE time to make a statement to the afl and more importantly Charlie.You wanted a long term deal you got it.Put your big boy pants on do the hard work put in a big pre season and who knows you might actually enjoy your footy.

You nailed it.

Sydney have all the makings of a premiership team, except for a KPF of any sort of quality (the ones they have are VFL standard honestly).

Barring injury Curnow would kick 80+ for the year playing in that team and on the SCG every second week. Their midfield would be absolutely loving it.

To facilitate that trade we should be asking for more, much more. All 3 years of their first rounders plus Hayward and Dattoli and we could start to consider it. Otherwise p*ss off.

As to Curnow, yeah if the trade doesn’t get done he can just suck it up.

 

[Stamos]

You don't chase a 27 yr old hbf with your top pick when you're not in a premiership window...

We should have used that pick to chase someone more suitable for our list at the time...

We should have been in the window from a list perspective.
Unfortunately we completely botched it with the coaching and wasted 3 years and arrived late.

 

[gbatman]

Pick #8 but yes, we def overpaid for him...

It just wasn't even the right time to chase a player like that...

He made all Australian and if we got our recruitment and coaching right, could have been a premiership player. I would say that the build up to our peak was partly done well and partly done poorly, he was one of the selections where it was done well.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We should have been in the window from a list perspective.
Unfortunately we completely botched it with the coaching and wasted 3 years and arrived late.

More like botched it with the drafts from 2016-2019 ...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

He made all Australian and if we got our recruitment and coaching right, could have been a premiership player. I would say that the build up to our peak was partly done well and partly done poorly, he was one of the selections where it was done well.

I'm fully aware of his achievements... I've stated my opinion and that's that - you don't give your top pick away for a 27 yr old hbf when you've only won 7 games for the season. Feel free to disagree.

 

[The Bighouse]

I have to disagree with that. We had taken 10 first round picks in the draft over 5 years before picking him up.
Had brought in Gov, Martin and Williams who we all thought would be very good dynamic players.
The spine was near set.
Still had room to bring in more players as we showed the next season.
Picks that season were even less valuable than this season.

Pity the chosen ones in MM, JM, ZW couldn’t lift us to next level as needed.
All worse for wear with injuries.
Skewed the S/C and didn’t deliver unfort.

 

[GoBlues!]

More like botched it with the drafts from 2016-2019 ...

You’re not wrong, some bad misses and ordinary decisions by SOS:

2016 - SPS, Fisher, Macreadie
2017 - Dow, O’Brien
2018 - Stocker, O’Dwyer
2019 - Philp

 

[Stamos]

More like botched it with the drafts from 2016-2019 ...

No, despite that our list was still good enough.
It was the coaching, culture and development that stopped us getting success.

 

[gbatman]

I'm fully aware of his achievements... I've stated my opinion and that's that - you don't give your top pick away for a 27 yr old hbf when you've only won 7 games for the season. Feel free to disagree.

Yeah look, had we won a flag with Saad, that would have made it worthwhile and we could have. The game is not about draft picks, it's about premierships. We had a chance to win one with that group, Saad as an AA half back would have been a big part of that but we blew it and that didn't have anything to do with using pick 8 to bring in Saad.

We drafted Saad and finished 13th, 9th then made a preliminary final so yes, we got that right and yes we were in the right place to bring in quality mature age talent.

It was poor coaching, poor list management and poor recruitment due to poor direction from the coaching group which cost us the opportunity to win a flag, we were good enough to make the grand final in 2023 but a few poor decisions in finals took that opportunity away from us.

Would we be better off using that pick in the draft looking back? Only just a little IF we used the pick on the right player.

I think our decision was more about the talent on our list which at the time was young enough and good enough to go forward.

I would not lose sleep over that pick and the Saad trade. You would do it if it won you a flag.

 

[gbatman]

You’re not wrong, some bad misses and ordinary decisions by SOS:

2016 - SPS, Fisher, Macreadie
2017 - Dow, O’Brien
2018 - Stocker, O’Dwyer
2019 - Philp

Good recruitment comes from a good coaching who are up with and in touch with the game and strong on what traits they want and do not want.

I don't think our recruiting team have had good direction from the coaching group this centaury.

Some poor picks, players who had bad traits that meant better clubs would not have taken them. Not strong in the contest, not a good kick, lacking pace, lacking endurance, lacking strength. Sure the recruiter should be all over this as well but I don't think our footy department has been strong all the way through and this list shows.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Yeah look, had we won a flag with Saad, that would have made it worthwhile and we could have. The game is not about draft picks, it's about premierships. We had a chance to win one with that group, Saad as an AA half back would have been a big part of that but we blew it and that didn't have anything to do with using pick 8 to bring in Saad.

We drafted Saad and finished 13th, 9th then made a preliminary final so yes, we got that right and yes we were in the right place to bring in quality mature age talent.

It was poor coaching, poor list management and poor recruitment due to poor direction from the coaching group which cost us the opportunity to win a flag, we were good enough to make the grand final in 2023 but a few poor decisions in finals took that opportunity away from us.

Would we be better off using that pick in the draft looking back? Only just a little IF we used the pick on the right player.

I think our decision was more about the talent on our list which at the time was young enough and good enough to go forward.

I would not lose sleep over that pick and the Saad trade. You would do it if it won you a flag.

You're missing my point...

If we had our heart set on recruiting Saad... the deal should have been done without our top pick.

Secondly, why are we limited to Saad or the draft with that pick? Why couldn't it have been used on a different type rather than a hbf?

Third, the right player was there... we just didn't know it... Holmes was available. I know hindsight drafting and all... but SOS had so many misses from 16-19 drafts, it would have been interesting to see who Austin would have selected...

 

[Dominator_7]

The real action starts as of next week

 

[Zlatan]

who are the similar types? i dont think we have his type

Cerra is similar enough. I would rather different attributes from any midfielders we bring in like speed.

 

[GoBlues!]

The real action starts as of next week

Trade period is when our season starts D7.

The home/away games are just a long preseason leading up to trade week…

 

[gbatman]

You're missing my point...

If we had our heart set on recruiting Saad... the deal should have been done without our top pick.

Secondly, why are we limited to Saad or the draft with that pick? Why couldn't it have been used on a different type rather than a hbf?

Third, the right player was there... we just didn't know it... Holmes was available. I know hindsight drafting and all... but SOS had so many misses from 16-19 drafts, it would have been interesting to see who Austin would have selected...

Would we have got him cheaper? Essendon were a bit nuts at the time, they may have just let him go to the pre season draft. In fact I bet they would have.

Used on another player? We had been a bottom side for a good while, it was hard to get players to come to us, if they were any good we generally had to over pay. As for gettable players that year, the list of players who moved was pretty ordinary.

An elite running half back, definitely what we needed at the time but we also had other needs for sure. I am looking at the players who moved that year, there really wasn't a lot there that excites me. Saad was probably one of the better players that moved that year. In terms of a good fit for us, maybe Caldwell? That's probably about it when it comes to gettable players.

Was there anyone gettable who didn't move that year and gettable for us with that pick? Not sure but I have my doubts.

 

[jackn]

‘IF’ Charlie gets to Sydney they go close to winning a flag.

Seeing a few comments along these lines and I've got no idea the best way to go with trading/ keeping Charlie. But if there's one thing Charlie failed miserably at proving in 23, it's that he's going to win you a flag. His finals performance that year was on par with Greg Norman in a master's. Whether that changes we'll have to wait and see but so far, he's given no indication of being a big game player.