List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread (Cont’d)

[WanderingDude]

So brothels still sponsor sporting teams. I thought we were past that.

 

[Apex36]

Do you really believe he was the Norm Smith medallist today?

Seriously?

Zac Bailey should have been given that Norm Smith comfortably. This was Johannisen levels of stupid.

If Bailey had kicked 6.1 instead of 1.6 before the last quarter when the game was already done then I’d be more inclined to agree with you.

 

[WakeUpPies]

Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

would arguably be our best defender if he joins us. Let’s be objective for a second, is what he has done off the field any worse than what Swan, Heater, Didak, Krack (to name a few) have done?

We get May, less pressure on Darcy, less reliance on Howe, Perryman goes into the midfield, Josh goes into the midfield, Houston gets to play his quarterback role. Suddenly we look a much better team.

It’s our last roll of the dice with Pendles, Side and Howe. Get the best players. “Culture” is great and all honestly it’s getting overrated. It sure didn’t prevent the Bobby situation from derailing our season, and that flog Zorko is celebrating his second flag.

 

[WanderingDude]

I suspect the club won't end up with May due to cultural reasons, but you can see below why the club is doing its due diligence around him.

Frampton had an ok season, however even in a down year for May, he is a much more effective player across nearly all of the key defensive categories highlighted below.

It looks marginal, but the club would be viewing this as a way to upgrade a position in our starting 23 for no draft cost, while also offering the depth at KPD and positional flexibility with Moore/Howe if they wanted to consider playing either as a forward if required.

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The potential impact is load management for an older player and the loss of games for Frampton. The development of Frampton has been better than I expected. If Frampton leaves for potential senior games after his 2026 contract the replacement cost will not be cheap. We Frampton came to Collingwood other clubs were interested and there is a shortage of good backs. Across time Roughead, Howe and Dunne have been good pickups.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Put McCreery on a tank program, running 10kms 3 times a week in the offseason and make him full time midfielder, his burst and speed breaks defenses a lot , just need stamina.

McCreery biggest issue is not stamina/fitness. He is an athlete.
He just doesn't have any footy smarts. He can't find the ball. Doesn't kick enough goals as a permanent forward. He is only good for tackling and pressure. That's it.

 

[sr36]

That’s it? I expected a stronger retort from you. Bailey’s predominantly been a forward his whole career and has had as much close checking as Butters.

But the re-rating of Bailey isn't due to being a close checked forward. - it's because he's now having an impact rolling into the midfield where he gets to roll free.

Kysiah and Rankine are the comparisons to Bailey. Gun forwards who are beginning to roll to stoppage and are having a big impact. Unlike Bailey they get a massive defensive focus when they go midfield and have shown they could get to a Butters level if they can develop the endurance to do it all day from contest to contest. Raynor the same but they don't use him in the midfield very often.

Bailey a rung below and might look on par in terms of stats, but is benefitting from Raynor getting the best stopper up forward and McCluggage or Neale in the midfield.

Butters and Nick are what these guys are developing towards - blokes who can open it up from the inside all day long, but none of them can do it as consistently or for as long. And Bailey is the only one who is yet to show he can do it with a defensive focus on him.

 

[TradeDraft]

He’s rarely wrong, Cal. Do we still live in hope?

Trade talk: Rumours Magpies will land a big fish this off-season

“There is a feeling around the competition that they have a big fish locked in.”

www.sen.com.au

Pretty sure it was Rowell we where chasing very hard for

 

[WanderingDude]

Hope you’re right but other than blind hope there has been close to zero evidence of this!

hope isn’t a plan !

Parker, Steele and HH have all played multiple games and shown AFL traits. It is a plan and is standard player development. Allan is a bit different. He has played more games than the others which is a good sign. But problems in player intensity, application and competitiveness tend to be extremely difficult to solve. These traits may be terminal for a player’s career. Only one way to find out, that’s having a plan to play them.

 

[VinnieB]

We don't finish paying Grundy until end of 27.

That’s bearable. Can always structure a boost to a contract in yr 3.

I’m hoping we had a few extra $$ sometime over the past few years where we were able to pay down a little extra off the Grundy Loan.

 

[Jen2310]

That’s bearable. Can always structure a boost to a contract in yr 3.

I’m hoping we had a few extra $$ sometime over the past few years where we were able to pay down a little extra off the Grundy Loan.

I've heard Grundy is very specific is what we pay him. Needs to be right to the dollar. Nothing less.

 

[jmac70]

I've heard Grundy is very specific is what we pay him. Needs to be right to the dollar. Nothing less.

As it should be.

 

[WanderingDude]

We don't finish paying Grundy until end of 27.

On current form we must prioritise an extension.

 

[VinnieB]

I've heard Grundy is very specific is what we pay him. Needs to be right to the dollar. Nothing less.

So we couldn’t have made extra payments in certain years?

 

[Lifelong Pie]

I have been thinking about how we can improve our midfield if we want to still be right up there next year and the only player I can think of that is probably available and good enough to make a proper difference is Petracca, i know he is also getting old, I'm talking about having another crack at it next year though.

 

[Jen2310]

So we couldn’t have made extra payments in certain years?

Not that I have heard. Its all set out. Month by Month to the letter.

 

[Jen2310]

I have been thinking about how we can improve our midfield if we want to still be right up there next year and the only player I can think of that is probably available and good enough to make a proper difference is Petracca, i know he is also getting old, I'm talking about having another crack at it next year though.

Cheap cheap is our motto this year.
Would he be cheap? There is a reason we are not linked to him this year.
He'll be off to one of crows or GC. Just a matter of which

In terms of our midfield, we'll more likely change from within
Josh, Perryman through there. Beau more time in there.

 

[Lifelong Pie]

Cheap cheap is our motto this year.
Would he be cheap? There is a reason we are not linked to him this year.
He'll be off to one of crows or GC. Just a matter of which

In terms of our midfield, we'll more likely change from within
Josh, Perryman through there. Beau more time in there.

I think he could be cheap in terms of trade if we took his full contact, my post wasn't saying I think we will get him, just that he is probably available and could be the difference for us

 

[sr36]

I have been thinking about how we can improve our midfield if we want to still be right up there next year and the only player I can think of that is probably available and good enough to make a proper difference is Petracca, i know he is also getting old, I'm talking about having another crack at it next year though.

As always, there's a lot of catastrophising over a loss. We were bloody close this year, but things went array in the midfield on PF day. A fit Pendles and fully fit Jordy and things might have been different. We'll lose Pendles soon, but add in the continued growth of Nick and Long.

No one has the midfield depth of the Lions, but they're still beatable - their talls aren't great outside of Andrews.

 

[TradeDraft]

I suspect the club won't end up with May due to cultural reasons, but you can see below why the club is doing its due diligence around him.

Frampton had an ok season, however even in a down year for May, he is a much more effective player across nearly all of the key defensive categories highlighted below.

It looks marginal, but the club would be viewing this as a way to upgrade a position in our starting 23 for no draft cost, while also offering the depth at KPD and positional flexibility with Moore/Howe if they wanted to consider playing either as a forward if required.

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Espically when we trying to win 1 last flag for this Group and only have 1 Season left to have a Chance

 

[Jen2310]

I think he could be cheap in terms of trade if we took his full contact, my post wasn't saying I think we will get him, just that he is probably available and could be the difference for us

Seems pretty unlikely we'd look at him. Could look at someone in the rookie draft if you wanted a mature mid

 

[TradeDraft]

Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

would arguably be our best defender if he joins us. Let’s be objective for a second, is what he has done off the field any worse than what Swan, Heater, Didak, Krack (to name a few) have done?

They where not Dickheads On Field like May has

 

[JuniorB]

Not really. Just makes the deliberate out of bounds rule clearer.

It also takes away the subjectiveness of the insufficient intent bullshit.

 

[Lifelong Pie]

As always, there's a lot of catastrophising over a loss. We were bloody close this year, but things went array in the midfield on PF day. A fit Pendles and fully fit Jordy and things might have been different. We'll lose Pendles soon, but add in the continued growth of Nick and Long.

No one has the midfield depth of the Lions, but they're still beatable - their talls aren't great outside of Andrews.

I didn't think I was catastrophising, I was just suggesting a gun player to try and add to our midfield, we should have been 1 goal behind with 10 minutes to go in a prelim against what turned out to be the dominant premier, it's hardly panic stations but we still need to improve if we want to win it

 

[Lifelong Pie]

Seems pretty unlikely we'd look at him. Could look at someone in the rookie draft if you wanted a mature mid

Don't really think anyone in the rookie draft will make the difference to our midfield, maybe that young guy who works at the club, he could possibly be good straight away

 

[Jen2310]

Don't really think anyone in the rookie draft will make the difference to our midfield, maybe that young guy who works at the club, he could possibly be good straight away

Thats who I'm thinking of.
But otherwise, I think we'll look to from within our own list.