Coach Chris Scott and Jeremy Cameron's broken arm incident.

[PhatBoy]

See, this is loser talk.

If you had your way, Danger would have retired at the end of last year, Cats don't get into a Grand Final (starting $1.50 faves) courtesy of Danger's matchwinning Preliminary Final performance.

You compile your best list every year, and pit your best team on the park every week.

This. Yes every club or team in sport has to balance what is happening right now with what they want to happen in one, two, three seasons time or whatever.

To do that you have to weigh up the assets you have at your disposal. The players you think can win you a game, the players you think can play a role, the players you think can be depth if you have injuries, the ones you can do without, and also whether you can improve on those assets for less money to strengthen other areas that might cost more money.

I don’t think even as Captain Dangerfield would be on money near what he was at his peak so the question is very simple: can he play a role that makes him one of the best 22 players every week, and can he win us the odd game.

He won us about 5-6 off his own boot this year. So as poor as his GF was, for now the answer is probably yes. He plays again and it’s someone like Stanley who ISNT a certain best 22 player and doesn’t look like he will hold down a spot that goes. Jed Bews gets tapped. Mitch Duncan has already retired. Jake Kolodjashnij is borderline though we probably could have done with him. Cam Guthrie probably goes. There’s a strong chance we part ways with Tanner Bruhn pending the outcome of that mess.

So there’s possibly 6 guys who while not on superstar money would all be reasonably well paid that, if they went, would allow us to strengthen in some areas we need to while Dangerfield can, for all we really care, be a bottom 6 player if he’s occasionally doing something decent but we are a better team.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Cameron playing on after half time is one thing.

Playing while they were 50 points down in the last quarter is another. Utterly bizarre.

This is the part I didn't follow. At that point, Cameron wasn't getting a kick, and Cats were gone. I said to my mate at the time that I just couldn't understand why he was still out there. Not my call to make.

 

[janty]

Surely after the Fletcher tackle was the time to end his day on the field?

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Yes Prestia the generational player compares to Dangerfield.

Good one.

did you forget that time when Prestia took a whole dynasty from Geelong?

What a player Prestia was in those finals series...an absolute giant, despite his stature, and previous injury issues

Meanwhile Danger kept just kicking it out of bounds, again, and again, and again

 

[Andyy]

did you forget that time when Prestia took a whole dynasty from Geelong?

What a player Prestia was in those finals series...an absolute giant, despite his stature, and previous injury issues

Meanwhile Danger kept just kicking it out of bounds, again, and again, and again

They had to knock him out

 

[Rich01]

Don’t think it was negligent.
Just horrendous coaching.
Scott froze in the box then made excuses after the game.

The average supporter knew Cameron should have been subbed and would have pulled the trigger at half time.

 

[FreoRicci]

Don’t think it was negligent.
Just horrendous coaching.
Scott froze in the box then made excuses after the game.

The average supporter knew Cameron should have been subbed and would have pulled the trigger at half time.

Meanwhile Fagan subbed a healthy Marshall for Neale.

Tale of two coaches.

 

[Rich01]

Meanwhile Fagan subbed a healthy Marshall for Neale.

Tale of two coaches.

Yep.
Horrendous coaching.
He went into the game with the same one that won them the qualifying final and fully expected Brisbane to do the same.

No plan B.

 

[juss]

The responsibility is either with Cameron (if he lied or downplayed symptoms) or with th medical team, if they failed to recognise an issue or sent him out regardless.

You can't blame Scott for this one.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

The responsibility is either with Cameron (if he lied or downplayed symptoms) or with th medical team, if they failed to recognise an issue or sent him out regardless.

You can't blame Scott for this one.

Blind Freddy knew!

Scott just didn’t meet the moment

Then complains about the rule that he chickened out of using !

 

[ashep]

The real crime was the pissweak guard they put on him instead of a Mal Meninga Popeye monstrosity.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

The real crime was the pissweak guard they put on him instead of a Mal Meninga Popeye monstrosity.

Lol yes

So much to enjoy and laugh about from that GF

Almost the perfect day!

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

This really needs to be made into a bigger deal. Crazy that a player with an obvious broken arm was left out to play.

What value was he ever going to realistically be as a key forward with one arm anyway?

Strange decision all round.

 

[DowJone23]

Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

49

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

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16.6

4star

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11.2

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5.4

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1.6

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0.4

3star

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13.2

4star

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10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

kind of guy to cut off his nose to spite his face

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

The responsibility is either with Cameron (if he lied or downplayed symptoms) or with th medical team, if they failed to recognise an issue or sent him out regardless.

You can't blame Scott for this one.

The doctors knew it was broken. I could tell it was broken from warching on tv.

 

[Dazzler9]

I think Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

49

Ht

182cm

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89kg

Pos.

Fwd

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16.6

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11.2

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5.4

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5.1

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1.6

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0.4

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13.2

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10.2

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3.0

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2.2

3star

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2.8

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0.4

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simply was regretting selecting Rhys Stanley

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Rhys Stanley

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35

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200cm

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102kg

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3.4

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27.6

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12.0

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7.5

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4.5

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5.0

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because he upset the balance that had worked previously. Circumstances dictated that he shouldn't have subbed him, however. But he stubbornly stuck to his guns and took Stanley out of the game.

So he was kind of between a rock and a hard place - sub out Stanley but play with a lame Cameron; or sub out Cameron and persist with a structure that isn't working for you.

Personally, if one of my players has a suspected broken arm, they're coming off.

 

[Bont the Lord]

I think Chris Scott simply regretted selecting Rhys Stanley because he upset the balance that had worked previously. Circumstances dictated that he shouldn't have subbed him, however. But he stubbornly stuck to his plan and took Stanley out of the game.

So he was kind of between a rock and a hard place - sub out Stanley but play with a lame Cameron; or sub out Cameron and persist with a structure that isn't working for you.

Personally, if one of my players has a suspected broken arm, they're coming off.

Then sooked about the sub rule in the press conference. Embarassing behaviour!

 

[Dazzler9]

Then sooked about the sub rule in the press conference. Embarassing behaviour!

Yeah that was just bizarre. He's normally quite measured/thoughtful. Seems the outcome got to him a bit.

 

[Soggy2112]

Players will want to play. They’re competitive.

What you need is the coaches to be stronger than them and make the right decision.

But who knows. Maybe Cameron wasn’t insisting on playing. We don’t know.

But all in all, they stuffed it up and that’s on the coaches.

We glorify players who play through injury so much that I think a lot of players would find it really hard to put their hand up and say they are not right.

We should start praising players like Jarrod Berry and Nathan Murphy more for making the selfless call to step aside when they knew they weren’t right.

 

[Soggy2112]

Yeah that was just bizarre. He's normally quite measured/thoughtful. Seems the outcome got to him a bit.

Geelong PR 101. They are masters at redirecting the heat away from their own club. He knew that there would be heat for sending a guy with a broken arm out to play, so decided to get on the front foot and try and twist the conversation to be about the sub rule.

 

[CatsDan]

If people are gonna question Scotty and the staff then I think it says more about you than them.

Nothing to see here, play on.

 

[Dazzler9]

If people are gonna question Scotty and the staff then I think it says more about you than them.

Nothing to see here, play on.

Thanks CatMan

 

[Lingsface]

It is a grand final, it is not as if he is going to damage any vital organs continuing. Jeremy's call, Scott has been an amazing coach and doesn't deserve anything but praise.

 

[Soggy2112]

If people are gonna question Scotty and the staff then I think it says more about you than them.

Nothing to see here, play on.

Player suffers what appears to be a fractured arm and is sent back on field.

Potentially needs a HIA as well but is not really mentioned because of said broken arm.

Player then falls heavily on their arm, and probably aggravates the injury.

Player then spends an extended period on the bench, before the coach decides to sub off a different, uninjured player.

Coach then tries to blame a rule that has been in place for several years as an excuse for how such an error was made.

But yes, nothing to see here…

 

[40porpoise]

To me almost broken arm is a bit different than a dislocated shoulder for example.

Pretty hard to impact a game with a broken bone, but ive seen a few players continue to impact with dislocated joints.

Probably wouldnt have made any impact anyway, but they were definitely playing with 1 less player with Cameron on the ground