List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I reckon different clubs will use it differently. Those with strong depth probably use it as a genuine 5th interchange, lowering the load on the rest of their players. Some will use it to manage older or younger players specifically or players coming back from injury. Some probably keep it as a genuine sub (ie. sit out the 1st half) but with more flexibility to come on and off the ground if required.

Will be interesting to see if it helps the Blues play Pitto and HOK with Pitto only getting 50-60% game time

 

[swuzzlebubble]

There is a limit

I expect a bit of experimentation with an extra ruck but a gradual upping of the ante for running. Eventually we'll reach some new limits and then teams will be noticing and complaining when down an injured player from where we'll head to a sub being added back on.

 

[jaggabagga]

If people thought GW is ruthless by all reports Chris Davies is just as well.

Sorry but I'm yet to see any evidence of anyone being ruthless at the club for a long time.
When are they going to get 'ruthless' with the AFL? A ruthless club would be pushing for 2 first round picks for TDK for a record 1.8million contract prime Ruck about to hit his peak. Yet here we are meekly accepting unders from the system as usual.
A ruthless club would be threating all kinds of action over the changes to the father son. That are going to see us bent over yet again... after other clubs have been gifted dynasties.
All I'm seeing is the usual meekness from this club.
A lot of you just fall for the same old spin and chinese whispers.
'Mr new guru is the bee knees just wait you'll see, he's going to sort it out .. trust in Mr xxx" Seen it with Silvagni etc etc, and all objectivity goes straight out the window.
Nothing ever happens

 

[ctwenty1]

Sorry but I'm yet to see any evidence of anyone being ruthless at the club for a long time.
When are they going to get 'ruthless' with the AFL? A ruthless club would be pushing for 2 first round picks for TDK for a record 1.8million contract prime Ruck about to hit his peak. Yet here we are meekly accepting unders from the system as usual.
A ruthless club would be threating all kinds of action over the changes to the father son. That are going to see us bent over yet again... after other clubs have been gifted dynasties.
All I'm seeing is the usual meekness from this club.
A lot of you just fall for the same old spin and chinese whispers.
'Mr new guru is the bee knees just wait you'll see, he's going to sort it out .. trust in Mr xxx" Seen it with Silvagni etc etc, and all objectivity goes straight out the window.
Nothing ever happens

Buddy for a late first rounder kind of set the scene for F/A compensation

Maybe we have been threating but silently threating - and we havent seen anything yet from the AFL as to what the new F/S is going to look like

Most supporters are also open to a Mrs guru too, not just Mr

 

[jaggabagga]

Going forward it’s going to be unfair and affect every club that has a highly rated F/S candidate in the top 2 or 3.

It’s unfortunate timing that in the first year the new rules come in our club probably has the highest rated F/S that I can recall.

On the positive side, at least we still have the opportunity to pick up a gun player.

Should be pulling him out of the draft and putting him down as Cat B or move him into Academy area and not playing next year while training with us.. as a giant F you to the AFL, When is this this ruthless Carlton thing going to start. Or are we only going to be ruthless in destroying our list??
Still haven't seen anything proactive from this admin, still no getting out in front of anything. It's either nothing or reactive at best.

 

[jaggabagga]

Buddy for a late first rounder kind of set the scene for F/A compensation

Maybe we have been threating but silently threating - and we havent seen anything yet from the AFL as to what the new F/S is going to look like

Most supporters are also open to a Mrs guru too, not just Mr

MELBOURNE has been given the third pick in the 2014 NAB AFL Draft as compensation for losing defender James Frawley to Hawthorn.

Josh Battle pick 8 , his contract was approx 800k from memory.

 

[ctwenty1]

MELBOURNE has been given the third pick in the 2014 NAB AFL Draft as compensation for losing defender James Frawley to Hawthorn.

Josh Battle pick 8 , his contract was approx 800k from memory.

linked back to where the team finished that year

 

[jaggabagga]

Why are we accepting one mid first for a record free agency? Should be pick 1 or two mid firsts.

 

[btdg]

Josh Fahey (delisted) from GWS seems a perfect fit for us imo. He is 22, runs and carries the ball a bit off the backline, has a booming kick on him, and racked up big numbers at VFL level. Seems like a better version of Lochie O'Brien

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Lochie O'brien

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

On a completely separate note:

Melbourne are also apparently looking to salary dump Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, and if so, I would absolutely jump on board. They are willing to pay half his salary. I would give up SOS compo pick (end of first round) for him.

Or take a bigger punt. Something like:

• We give up TDK compo pick and Cerra
• We get back Oliver and Petracca, with Melbourne paying half of Oliver's salary and chipping in a bit of Petracca's too.

Maybe with a third team involved (taking Cerra and giving Melbourne another late first rounder).

Starting midfield of Cripps/Oliver/Walsh, with Petracca/Cripps rotating forward, Hewett rotating off the bench. Lord/Smith/Camporeale as developing players, or playing off the wing.

That's the sort of aggressive move we should be making. Presumably we were holding $1m in cap space for TDK and $600k for SOS, with more coming off for McGovern (if we want) as well.

I would absolutely go all in on this before I even considered trading Curnow.

 

[jaggabagga]

linked back to where the team finished that year

Just pointing out that we shouldn't be using Buddy as the yardstick, and from memory again Melbourne did a lot of posturing in the media to get it through, as other clubs do, apart from us that is, we're an easy target

 

[Big Delut]

Why are we accepting one mid first for a record free agency? Should be pick 1 or two mid firsts.

Because we're receiving band 1 compensation which is the best compensation available under the current rules of free agency. The only way to get better picks is to finish lower when you receive band 1 compensation.

 

[jaggabagga]

Because we're receiving band 1 compensation which is the best compensation available under the current rules of free agency. The only way to get better picks is to finish lower when you receive band 1 compensation.

They can do whatever they want with compo picks and have done before.

 

[Big Delut]

They can do whatever they want with compo picks and have done before.

Examples? Outside of Ablett which wasn't a standard free agency signing I don't ever recall a compensation pick going outside the standard parameters

 

[Sector 7G]

Just pointing out that we shouldn't be using Buddy as the yardstick, and from memory again Melbourne did a lot of posturing in the media to get it through, as other clubs do, apart from us that is, we're an easy target

No future In that. Should be pushing for a mid first for the JSOS compo. Given the offer seems to match Draper and Allen’s offer.

 

[ctwenty1]

No future In that. Should be pushing for a mid first for the JSOS compo. Given the offer seems to match Draper and Allen’s offer.

This will be very interesting.

 

[jaggabagga]

Because we're receiving band 1 compensation which is the best compensation available under the current rules of free agency. The only way to get better picks is to finish lower when you receive band 1 compensation.

Examples? Outside of Ablett which wasn't a standard free agency signing I don't ever recall a compensation pick going outside the standard parameters

Written into the rules

 

[Big Delut]

Written into the rules

You said that it has happened before. Not saying it isn't true but I don't recall it so would love some examples.

 

[jaggabagga]

Because we're receiving band 1 compensation which is the best compensation available under the current rules of free agency. The only way to get better picks is to finish lower when you receive band 1 compensation.

Pretty sure that's not true. Band 1 isn't necessarily tied to where you finish, it can be wherever they deem the value to be. Including 2 picks

 

[Big Delut]

Pretty sure that's not true. Band 1 isn't necessarily tied to where you finish, it can be wherever they deem the value to be. Including 2 picks

Every free agency compensation pick ever, and where they ended up

Take a look at the outcome of every free agency compensation pick ever

www.afl.com.au

Here's the full list of every compensation pick. Please show me the examples which fit your description because I don't see them.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Pretty sure that's not true. Band 1 isn't necessarily tied to where you finish, it can be wherever they deem the value to be. Including 2 picks

It is tied to where you finish 100%. Its locked in stone. Band 1 - 1st round after your pick, Band 2 - End of first round, Band 3 - 2nd round after your pick ect

The situation you're likely thinking of is when Gold Coast and GWS came in. They could sign anyone uncontracted as a free agent in their first year. The compensation system was different specifically for that but that wasn't standard free agency.

 

[jaggabagga]

Every free agency compensation pick ever, and where they ended up

Take a look at the outcome of every free agency compensation pick ever

www.afl.com.au

Here's the full list of every compensation pick. Please show me the examples which fit your description because I don't see them.

Do you want me to cook your tea for you as well while I'm at it.

It is tied to where you finish 100%. Its locked in stone. Band 1 - 1st round after your pick, Band 2 - End of first round, Band 3 - 2nd round after your pick ect

The situation you're likely thinking of is when Gold Coast and GWS came in. They could sign anyone uncontracted as a free agent in their first year. The compensation system was different specifically for that but that wasn't standard free agency.

The number of picks and their position on the draft are determined by a formula the AFL uses to assess the value of the lost player and their new contract.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Why are we accepting one mid first for a record free agency? Should be pick 1 or two mid firsts.

Will be sure to ask for a unicorn as well

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Why are we accepting one mid first for a record free agency? Should be pick 1 or two mid firsts.

Would have thought the net contracts of TDK and JSOS would get us 10&11, but the AFL won't allow that to occur

 

[Big Delut]

Do you want me to cook your tea for you as well while I'm at it.

The number of picks and their position on the draft are determined by a formula the AFL uses to assess the value of the lost player and their new contract.

Every single free agency compensation pick ever handed out has fit under the parameters I've described to you. It's incredibly simple and I've even provided you with the full list to prove that what I'm saying is factual.

I've asked you for an example of what you've described and you can't even provide one because it doesn't exist.

 

[Its an amigo!]

Why are we accepting one mid first for a record free agency? Should be pick 1 or two mid firsts.

It is the highest pick (Band 1) possible under the current compensation pick rules.

The only thing we could possibly ask for is an upgrade on the Jack Silvagni pick as the wording in the rules does suggest a "net lose" ie. total ins and outs. But I don't think that will happen.