Mad Monday

[CatsDan]

Did he have any stories about sharing a coffee break with Danger?

Danger was strictly a latte operator back then. Think he goes cap now but might be wrong.

 

[lionbear]

The real story here isn’t about some “woke agenda”… it’s Bailey Smith blowing up one of Geelong’s iconic traditions in his first year.

He just can’t help himself. He just had to pick up the phone and gronk post it all into oblivion. If he didn’t, none of this happens.

Unbelievable.

I think the Kneecap one also contributed so as much as its 80 or 90% on Bailey, I think the Kneecap dress up on its own would have sparked a little change to it.

 

[HairyO]

Trade Radio just reminded me that 20 years ago James Hird on national TV accused umpire Scott McLaren of being biased against Essendon. Bit of a laugh, bit of a debate, pay the fine.

21 years later we're losing our sh!t over this stuff instead.

They didnt mention WADA / ASADA and Hird never receiving a punishment ?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Hey m9. What's with the name change?

Adds a bit of spice and reflects my family status and hertitage.

 

[CatsDan]

I think the Kneecap one also contributed so as much as its 80 or 90% on Bailey, I think the Kneecap dress up on its own would have sparked a little change to it.

As long as they can salvage something out of it, maybe drinks behind closed doors with dress ups. The fans are p**sed but so is Danger given the work he has put into it from a media relations standpoint.

 

[Saint]

I think the Kneecap one also contributed so as much as its 80 or 90% on Bailey, I think the Kneecap dress up on its own would have sparked a little change to it.

There are about 8 players at Geelong who are Irish (including AFLW), from Gaelic football clubs. Geelong wouldn't be cracking down on players dressing up as a proud Irish-langauge band.

They drew tens of thousands of people to a concert at Fed Square long before they were "controversial".

The only problem was the dated, stale and offensive Brokeback Mountain reference.

Max as Caro is fine, Kneecap is fine.

They'll probably just do it behind closed doors from now (or on one of their farms), and next year will be Dangerfields' last, he'll probably go out with a bang.

 

[Spearman]

Max Holmes forced to defend himself from transphobic comments and various other faux outrage, many of which we've seen in this very thread from the pearl clutchers. The plot has well and truly been lost.



Geelong star Max Holmes has spoken out on his Mad Monday antics, saying “there was no malice” in dressing up as journalist Caroline Wilson.

“I text her telling her I was going as her. Yeah she was fine with it,” Holmes said at the Geelong Carji Greeves Medal at Crown.

“There was no malice involved and I didn’t anticipate the transphobic comments and the outrage it caused. It was nothing like that. I’d been as a journalist two years in a row the last couple of years. So it had nothing to do with that.”

seriously WTF? Have these people not watched any TV or movies or vaudeville or effing anything related to comedy? Men dressing up as female for comedic effect is condemned as transphobic now? New levels of loser trolls.

 

[gordo2016]

seriously WTF? Have these people not watched any TV or movies or vaudeville or effing anything related to comedy? Men dressing up as female for comedic effect is condemned as transphobic now? New levels of loser trolls.

They've watched it Spears but they have grown up the times and realised that isn't that funny. Maybe you would better off doing the same thing, bit if not enjoy your "vaudeville" comedy , which in 1960 was acceptable

 

[Spearman]

They've watched it Spears but they have grown up the times and realised that isn't that funny. Maybe you would better off doing the same thing, bit if not enjoy your "vaudeville" comedy , which in 1960 was acceptable.
# I barrack for Geelong, leave Bails alone, he is just being a larrikin.

fair enough, I haven't watch actual TV for a long, long time, but the locals here will still use drag in the tradition of Berle, Monty Python, MASH, John Candy ... That's an interesting question actually, have any modern TV shows had the main male character dress up as female for a scene?
Kid needs to police his online jokes and asides like he should be doing onfield with sledges. I am sure there was no ill will involved.

 

[cartwright]

There are about 8 players at Geelong who are Irish (including AFLW), from Gaelic football clubs. Geelong wouldn't be cracking down on players dressing up as a proud Irish-langauge band.

They drew tens of thousands of people to a concert at Fed Square long before they were "controversial".

The only problem was the dated, stale and offensive Brokeback Mountain reference.

Max as Caro is fine, Kneecap is fine.

They'll probably just do it behind closed doors from now (or on one of their farms), and next year will be Dangerfields' last, he'll probably go out with a bang.

I don’t think anyone was really that offended by Max going as Caro

I think the problem was more around the comment and emoji from that little brat

 

[demondavey]

Opinion | Bailey Smith’s social media post about me was insulting and sexist. How dare he? — The Age

I probably wouldn’t have had a major problem with Max Holmes dressing up as me on Mad Monday, but I did have a problem with Smith’s social media post, and judging from the response that’s followed, I wasn’t alone.

apple.news

Wilson responds well. I refuse to believe Smiths entitled selfish behaviour won’t rub off on the club unless they sort him out. An absolute child and very unlike Geelong to recruit an individual of this type, one that creates headlines for the wrong reasons.

 

[Senor M]

Max Holmes forced to defend himself from transphobic comments and various other faux outrage, many of which we've seen in this very thread from the pearl clutchers. The plot has well and truly been lost.



Geelong star Max Holmes has spoken out on his Mad Monday antics, saying “there was no malice” in dressing up as journalist Caroline Wilson.

“I text her telling her I was going as her. Yeah she was fine with it,” Holmes said at the Geelong Carji Greeves Medal at Crown.

Caro had reported that she didn't get a text message from Holmes about the outfit until afterwards.

 

[azyboy]

The only problem was the dated, stale and offensive Brokeback Mountain reference.

I agree that Bailey’s behaviour in some instances has been less than desirable. Immature largely. However the inference you, and several others have taken, from his ‘this is what losing a granny does’, is a misstep in itself. Would the outrage have been the same if it was a gay man posting next to a woman in a wedding dress, saying ‘this is what losing a granny does’ (inference being it turns him straight)?
The younger generation (largely) seem to be much more inclusive and it’s a throwback to more archaic times that would look at this particular inference as disrespectful. I don’t think young people genuinely care these days if you’re gay or straight. Surely the ability is there to still have a laugh and to not let previous bigoted attitudes shape the commentary? Kane Cornes’ comments re Brad Close dressing as Catman were similarly dated (and frankly strange to be honest).
As others have said though, move it to the farm and don’t give Bailey the WI-FI password.

 

[Teal Leviathan]

fair enough, I haven't watch actual TV for a long, long time, but the locals here will still use drag in the tradition of Berle, Monty Python, MASH, John Candy ... That's an interesting question actually, have any modern TV shows had the main male character dress up as female for a scene?

There's Chris Lilley's Ja'mie: Private School Girl which was broadcast in 2013. Perhaps not the best example though, given that most of the discourse around Lilley is about how dated and unacceptable his comedy is in the modern era.

 

[demondavey]

There's Chris Lilley's Ja'mie: Private School Girl which was broadcast in 2013. Perhaps not the best example though, given that most of the discourse around Lilley is how dated and unacceptable his comedy is in the modern era.

Chris Lilley was anything but funny.

 

[Not a mere cat]

Caro had reported that she didn't get a text message from Holmes about the outfit until afterwards.

Yes, I noticed this too. A number of Geelong supporters told us he rang Wilson beforehand to get her approval. Seems this is incorrect

 

[Senor M]

There's Chris Lilley's Ja'mie: Private School Girl which was broadcast in 2013. Perhaps not the best example though, given that most of the discourse around Lilley is about how dated and unacceptable his comedy is in the modern era.

Ja'mie: Private School Girl was broadcast 12 years ago, using a character created 20 years ago. Not the best example of "modern" either. There are AFL players born after Ja'mie first appeared on Australian television.

Secondly--- Chris Lilley is all but cancelled in the Australian media landscape. There is no way he'd get paid by an Australian network to create content in 2025

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Caro had reported that she didn't get a text message from Holmes about the outfit until afterwards.

indeed, so the 'He checked with her first' was a lie

not only that, Caro said Holmes spoke to her days before the event and said nothing

what is it with Geelong and cowardice/cover-ups at the moment?

 

[Munich]

indeed, so the 'He checked with her first' was a lie

not only that, Caro said Holmes spoke to her days before the event and said nothing

what is it with Geelong and cowardice/cover-ups at the moment?

Not sure where it came from, I assumed media said it so thought that was the case.

Didn't even CW say she had no issue with him dressing as her though. That was your initial point, that it was sexist to dress up as her, before it was pointed out he'd dressed as other media folk as well.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Not sure where it came from, I assumed media said it so thought that was the case.

Didn't even CW say she had no issue with him dressing as her though. That was your initial point, that it was sexist to dress up as her, before it was pointed out he'd dressed as other media folk as well.

yep and in isolation it's no problem, and Caro has been generous IMO in re-confirming that.

BUT, there is a very unfortunate relatively recent history of sexist behaviour against Caro, via mimicry and including simulated sexual assault, so any mimicking of Caro is fraught and should have been picked up by Geelong.

No surprise Holmes' mimicry has led to it happening again, with Bailey Smith taking the image and posting sexist stuff with it (according to Caro):

Bailey Smith’s social media post about me was insulting and sexist. How dare he?

I probably wouldn’t have had a major problem with Max Holmes dressing up as me on Mad Monday, but I did have a problem with Smith’s social media post, and judging from the response that’s followed, I wasn’t alone.

www.theage.com.au

We all know Geelong are happy to let it ride, but surely the AFL needs to give Bailey a 5 week holiday next March for this.

 

[Teal Leviathan]

Ja'mie: Private School Girl was broadcast 12 years ago, using a character created 20 years ago. Not the best example of "modern" either. There are AFL players born after Ja'mie first appeared on Australian television.

I guess what counts as modern is mostly in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I'm happy to use the fall of the Berlin wall as a generic marker for many purposes, but of course different contexts demand different standards. Chris Lilley is certainly more modern than M.A.S.H or Monty Python. I guess the real question is if there have been recent evolutions in social mores that would discourage cross-gender acting. Plausibly the answer may be yes, in that it would seem analogous to the cases of the characters of Apu and Carl and their respective voice actors from The Simpsons, which occasioned controversy and change in recent years. But then nobody seems fussed about Nancy Cartwright continuing to voice Bart Simpson.

Secondly--- Chris Lilley is all but cancelled in the Australian media landscape. There is no way he'd get paid by an Australian network to create content in 2025

Certainly appears that way. Back in the mother country, Brendan O'Carroll is still being paid to play Agnes in Mrs. Brown's Boys for the BBC.

 

[Tom14]

yep and in isolation it's no problem, and Caro has been generous IMO in re-confirming that.

BUT, there is a very unfortunate relatively recent history of sexist behaviour against Caro, via mimicry and including simulated sexual assault, so any mimicking of Caro is fraught and should have been picked up by Geelong.

No surprise Holmes' mimicry has led to it happening again, with Bailey Smith taking the image and posting sexist stuff with it (according to Caro):

Bailey Smith’s social media post about me was insulting and sexist. How dare he?

I probably wouldn’t have had a major problem with Max Holmes dressing up as me on Mad Monday, but I did have a problem with Smith’s social media post, and judging from the response that’s followed, I wasn’t alone.

www.theage.com.au

We all know Geelong are happy to let it ride, but surely the AFL needs to give Bailey a 5 week holiday next March for this.

Thought the reference to people at the Cats having no idea where Bailey was between Mad Monday and their B and F Thursday was pretty telling.

I'd keep my head down for a bit if I was Bailey. Think Caro probably has more that she hasn't run with if you read between the lines of the piece.

 

[Senor M]

I guess what counts as modern is mostly in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I'm happy to use the fall of the Berlin wall as a generic marker for many purposes, but of course different contexts demand different standards.

The fall of the Berlin Wall was 35 years ago. At the time the league was still called the VFL, the Adelaide Crows hadn't joined, the Internet was in its infancy, there were VFL games that were never televised and most households only had access to to 5 tv stations, all of which were free to air.

Definitely not a "modern" era when discussing the behaviour of AFL players on an online text based forum

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Thought the reference to people at the Cats having no idea where Bailey was between Mad Monday and their B and F Thursday was pretty telling.

I'd keep my head down for a bit if I was Bailey. Think Caro probably has more that she hasn't run with if you read between the lines of the piece.

Agree.

It's also not clear to me why sexual orientation is a more protected characteristic than is gender

Disgusting remarks about homosexuality (Rankine) - 5 weeks suspension, Disgusting remarks about women (B. Smith) - crickets from the AFL (and Geelong)

 

[CatsDan]

Yes, I noticed this too. A number of Geelong supporters told us he rang Wilson beforehand to get her approval. Seems this is incorrect

Was devastated to find out he lied about that. I don’t think Wilson would lie about that