Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[inflames1919]

I have no opinion on or knowledge of who the legit ITKs are here but I’m surprised at how confident a lot of people here are that Butters will choose us when a big-name player has pretty much never done that, at least not since I’ve been old enough to remember. It’s going to be pretty embarrassing for us if he chooses Hawthorn, Collingwood or Geelong as those players always seem to do.

His whole family are die hard dog supporters. We’re talking memberships and attending every game. It’s also pretty well documented at how much he looks up to Bont. The club and players have also had ongoing discussions with Butters and his management for quite some time. We’re in the box seat.

We’ve never been in this position before where a player on the market has such strong connections to the club so this will buck the trend of players choosing other clubs over us.

 

[Chadley]

I really like Butters as a player and would like him at the club but 3 first rounders is an absolutely ridiculous price, that we would struggle to pay without major machinations and we should steadfastly refuse such a deal.

History is littered with deals of this kind that have had dire consequences.
The Chris Judd and Tim Kelly deals spring to mind where even when the sought after player plays well for his destination club, they are a long-term loser following the deal.

No deal is worth it at any price. Especially when Butter's isn't the type of player we lack right at this moment in time having just resigned Treloar.

We desperately need a Sam Taylor\Harris Andrews type but even then; I would still baulk at a price of 3 first rounders.

Butters is 25 and top 5 player in the comp. He would be our clubs biggest trade by the length of flemington. We do this trade we have our midfield set for another 10+ years.

 

[0utsider]

Except that he has already spoke to them about the possibility.

Trade talk: Port superstar floats trade to Victoria

Could Butters be on the move?

www.sen.com.au

Spoke to them, they said no. End of discussion.

 

[Philthy1]

Port would be betting that new coach/new enthusiasm and hopefully a few more wins will convince him to stay.

Port traded out of this years draft last year because they (reportedly) do not rate it. Port will match any RFA offer and get the same value whether this year or next for a top 5 player in the comp.

If I’m you guys I’d be doing everything possible to get him this year, 12 months is a long time and things change. He might stay at port or Collingwood may come knocking.

Tasmania getting so many picks for the next few drafts, even if they have to trade some, will make forward planning difficult.

It might make sense to trade him now, as difficult a choice is that is, if Port feel like the can't keep him.

 

[RWnBluey]

Spoke to them, they said no. End of discussion.

Every player has a price and every club says no until they don’t.

 

[Dogs Rule]

aroused.

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[cherrypie]

I really like Butters as a player and would like him at the club but 3 first rounders is an absolutely ridiculous price, that we would struggle to pay without major machinations and we should steadfastly refuse such a deal.

History is littered with deals of this kind that have had dire consequences.
The Chris Judd and Tim Kelly deals spring to mind where even when the sought after player plays well for his destination club, they are a long-term loser following the deal.

No deal is worth it at any price. Especially when Butter's isn't the type of player we lack right at this moment in time having just resigned Treloar.

We desperately need a Sam Taylor\Harris Andrews type but even then; I would still baulk at a price of 3 first rounders.

Jeremy Cameron worked well

 

[Dogsfan1]

Just get him here .This is what he said Before he was drafted i still cant Believe we picked smith over him

 

[dergert]

Can't imagine Butters will want to come next year if Beveridge is sacked.

 

[TheHound]

Surly nobody is suggesting Caminiti, Bloke might actually be the worst key position defender I’ve seen. Wouldn't even want him in our 2s

 

[TheScriptorWL]

Can't imagine Butters will want to come next year if Beveridge is sacked.

Why? He has no connection/relationship to Beveridge outside of being a one-eyed Clubman before he was Drafted.

If he comes to his Boyhood club. It's for the Tricolours and his Teamates. Not for a coach he's never played under.

 

[Westerndog11]

Certainly feels like the Wilkie throw at the stumps which dragged on longer than even we thought has now lead to some Butters whispers coming out.

If he requests a trade Port will buckle based on previous history.

Maybe Wilkie was a distraction to keep the media entertained while Power got to work.

 

[Dav1d]

I see Jordan Butts is a free agent for next year
Sam Walsh

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Sam Walsh

Age

25

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184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

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25.1

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K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

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D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

as well

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Why? He has no connection/relationship to Beveridge outside of being a one-eyed Clubman before he was Drafted.

If he comes to his Boyhood club. It's for the Tricolours and his Teamates. Not for a coach he's never played under.

I think the reference being more the fact that any desire to leave from Butters would be in part because he doesn't want to stick around while a club figures it out under a new coach, so why would he come to the Dogs doing the same thing. He'd want to leave for football department stability.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I really like Butters as a player and would like him at the club but 3 first rounders is an absolutely ridiculous price, that we would struggle to pay without major machinations and we should steadfastly refuse such a deal.

History is littered with deals of this kind that have had dire consequences.
The Chris Judd and Tim Kelly deals spring to mind where even when the sought after player plays well for his destination club, they are a long-term loser following the deal.

No deal is worth it at any price. Especially when Butter's isn't the type of player we lack right at this moment in time having just resigned Treloar.

We desperately need a Sam Taylor\Harris Andrews type but even then; I would still baulk at a price of 3 first rounders.

Its really not. The sort of 3 x first rounders we are talking about might be enough to trade for pick 2.

Butters is a lock top 10 in the comp. What you can only dream of a pick 2 becoming.

He's also exactly the type of fast, aggressive, defensively psycho, nice kicking midfielder that would top us off perfectly.

Our first, F1 and FF1 is fine with me. Be happy to include Garcia for F2, which will help us with West, Cooney, and El Souki next year.

 

[Westerndog11]

Spoke to them, they said no. End of discussion.

Well they definitely weren’t going to say, yeah sure thing anything else you want.

 

[Anja_Nees]

I think ports list is a complete mess.
Only positive is they get to bring in more kids now and another year before Tassie enter the draft.

I would have thought if we could work our way to a pick in the late teens (ie with Carlton’s pick 19), and we offered it with this year’s first and next that would be a good offer.

They might not take it but I think when you’re looking to rejuvenate your list, getting three top 20 selections (maybe two in the top ten) is a very good start.

It resembles the Kelly trade and Geelong would have had no issues with how that worked out for them (and WC would have nothing but remorse).

If they wouldn’t do that then I think you have to tap out. It would be great to get him, but put in perspective those are picks in the range we got Naughton, Richards, Smith* and English for. That applies to us and them - the chance to get three very good, AA quality players.


*Yes, I know but focus on talent.

 

[King Harold]

Ready to lock in for 20 pages a day speculating on Butters until trade week closes

Well there better be bloody 20 pages plus and discussion 24/7 or else

 

[dogwatch]

aroused.

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People are reading way too much into it.

What actually happened was there was a minor catering stuff up. When they served all those warm dinner buns they forgot to put out those little wrapped packages of Western Star. Our boys and their WAGs (not being impatient dickheads like certain other club tables) politely waited until the commercial break before they started hollering "Butters! Get butters over here!"

Poor ol' Zac misunderstood and they were still explaining it to him when the ad break finished.

Nothing to see here, folks.

 

[adogsfan5]

This is the time that struggling clubs with a messy list wanna get there shi* together before Tassie come in. Now’s the chance for Port to bring in youngsters. I reckon they’ll happily listen to offers.

 

[Angak]

I really like Butters as a player and would like him at the club but 3 first rounders is an absolutely ridiculous price, that we would struggle to pay without major machinations and we should steadfastly refuse such a deal.

History is littered with deals of this kind that have had dire consequences.
The Chris Judd and Tim Kelly deals spring to mind where even when the sought after player plays well for his destination club, they are a long-term loser following the deal.

No deal is worth it at any price. Especially when Butter's isn't the type of player we lack right at this moment in time having just resigned Treloar.

We desperately need a Sam Taylor\Harris Andrews type but even then; I would still baulk at a price of 3 first rounders.

Sam Flanders is being traded for pick 7.
Draft has been diluted so much that you take the high quality yet to hit his peak asset everytime.

 

[Dav1d]

The internet wouldn’t lie to me now would it? Hm

 

[MaxiBont]

Maybe what actually happened was that we pulled out of the Wilkie deal because we got word Butters was going to request a trade this year

 

[0utsider]

Well they definitely weren’t going to say, yeah sure thing anything else you want.

There no logical reason for them to let him go, whatever they get offered this year they’ll get again next year and ultimately they’d rather have him on the list.

People can disagree all they want but I’m confident I won’t be proven wrong come deadline day. He’s not leaving this year.

 

[0utsider]

Every player has a price and every club says no until they don’t.

Sam Darcy is literally ungettable. Nothing any club could possibly offer would get the deal done. Butters isn’t far off that and they know he won’t throw the toys out of the cot, they know they’ll get the same offers next year and ultimately their preference is that he re-signs. There’s absolutely no reason for them to do a deal this year.

I’m still massively hopeful we could get him next year. The chances of it happening this year are so infinitesimal that it simply doesn’t warrant the amount of discussion it’s getting on here.