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[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[JimmyRabbit49]

Contracted, highly regarded, still very early in his career. He's a young player just not quite able to break into a pretty settled and effective forward line, and when he does play it's not as a target cause they've got other more established players ahead in the pecking order.

Pick 21 for Rogers and 35 values him around Pick 33 which I think is fair-ish. He suits our needs as a quick, skillful small, the pick upgrade helps GC with their trade targets and/or academy prospects, and Pick 35 is well-positioned for one of our other trade targets.

Pick 53 is not a realistic offer.

53 is a bit cheeky but he is listed at 172cm and 68kg - at that size you have to be elite in a lot of other parts of your game and his performance make him very much speculative. Motlop had 36 goals in his first 33 games over his first 2 years in the system and he averaged 2.8 tackles a game compared to 1.8 for Rogers and yet most people on here would still give him away for free.

I could give up a little more for Rogers but I wouldn't be making him a priority.

And wouldn't we be looking to use 21 for Dean?

 

[Juddrockz]

We have been talking about a Carlton exodus.

But the Suns have a massive amount of players looking at their options

To fit in Trac and JUH plus their academys

 

[Dramoth]

Cripps at his age is worth alot more to Carlton then what we get in a trade. Nobody is trading top picks for him. Particularly WC who is looking to rebuild. Also, not sure he'd want to swap one cellar dweller for another.

He might consider it next year though.

 

[Pablito]

6 goals in 18 games - I would be offering pick 53

How many of those was he the sub?

 

[gbatman]

True, and I don't think any club would turn down the opportunity to get Butters.

But one of our big issues for a while now has been that we're incredibly reliant on big games from our big names. We've got a lot of players whose "role" is to scratch around getting 10-15 touches and doing **** all with them, while we wait for Cripps, Hewett and Walsh to get their 30 possies, and Curnow and McKay to kick 8 between them.

I think we probably stand to benefit more from finding more of those quick mids and flankers who can get 20 disposals a game, with guys like Cripps and Walsh and Jagga being used to feed the others. Spreading the load makes us a lot less vulnerable to injuries and form fluctuations for "key" players.

Need to bring Cowan and Carroll and Wilson into the game off half back, need to bring Cerra and Chesser and Hollands into the game between the arcs, and need to bring Moir and Williams and Kemp and (Hayward?) into the game up forward.

18-25 touches for the half backs, 20+ touches for the outside mids, 15-20 touches for the high forwards. That's how we improve organically - not spending multiple first round picks on one "gun" player while players 8 through 23 are just occupying space.

I like where you are coming from.

Recruiting team has focused heavily on running backs so it's a black mark against them if we come up short next year. Potential is there. Backmen need a midfield that can apply pressure and our midfield is poor there. Put pressure on the ball carrier in the middle and we open the game up for our defenders to zone off intercept and rebound quickly. Force more blind kicks and shallow entries. So pace and chase has to be recruited for the midfield for that to work.

Adding more depth to the midfield as you say spreads the load. Smith and another then Walker does that. Chesser will be a part of it all in some capacity then Walker comes in next year.

I think Brisbane have set the bar in regards to midfield depth and quality. Have to match or beat them to win a flag now.

Our lack of forward targets is an issue. We get to the middle of the ground and run out of options to kick to. Our smaller forwards have no overhead game and do not present. Moir and Kemp do help here.


As an opposition side I'm looking at carltons lack of pace and depth and going after that and you see it all the time.

1. Get the ball out in space, get it out wide make it an open running game and out run us. Teams work on this at stoppages, kills us.

2. Cut out Walsh. That takes away all our pace in the middle. Makes us easy to defend against and attack against. Walsh chases tackles and carries the ball, if you take him out no one is doing that in our midfield.

3. Crowd Curnow and McKay. We rarely kick to other players because they are ground level only and they don't present and don't pose an aerial threat. We may as well put a big red circle where we are going to kick the ball to the moment we go forward of center. McKay and Curnow are beacons to the opposition. It's not their fault, it's because we don't have other forwards who are good targets

4. Tag Saad. He's been left as our only threatening run and carry half back so that's easy. Good teams have 3 or 4, we don't have that. At our best, in the last three years, we have had Saad, Docherty and another like Boyd or Fisher or someone who can run the ball out and have them rotation between forward pocket and half back. You can't tag three defenders but it's easy to tag 1. Wilson, Charleson, Carroll etc are all crucial to our future. Hollands has given a bit but he's not exactly damaging. Cowan showed a bit end of last year and Newman of course.

These 4 things in this order have to be our focus. Take away opposition's tactics that work so well against us. Hence, we are easy to coach against.

 

[bradfisher14]

Pick 7 for Flanders is incredible business by the Suns.

 

[Blue__Balls]

53 is a bit cheeky but he is listed at 172cm and 68kg - at that size you have to be elite in a lot of other parts of your game and his performance make him very much speculative. Motlop had 36 goals in his first 33 games over his first 2 years in the system and he averaged 2.8 tackles a game compared to 1.8 for Rogers and yet most people on here would still give him away for free.

I could give up a little more for Rogers but I wouldn't be making him a priority.

And wouldn't we be looking to use 21 for Dean?

I think we're likely to end up trading the TDK compo back a bit to cover Dean and retain some value (ie. send it to GWS or Adelaide or WC for 13/15/17 and a future first (or second, in WC's case)).

Not sure how fair it is to assess Rogers on stats. He's been the sub in 7 of his 18 games, to start with. And as you've said, he's historically been a mid but at his size kind of needs to find his groove at senior level in the forward line - that's something that takes some adjusting to. Not to mention, as that hybrid type he's probably been used more as a connection between midfield and forward line - something that I reckon is supported by the fact he's got twice as many goal assists as goals. Something like 40% of his disposals lead to scores, he's just not getting much of the pill at this stage.

I just think we could slot him straight into the Fogarty role and come out a long way ahead. And he's one who can absolutely rotate through the odd midfield stoppage and provide that real inside-to-outside dash that we don't have.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

What are your thoughts on Hollands? If he were to have an offer elsewhere, what would you guys want for him?

Is he too far gone?

 

[Sam The Doc]

So Hayward is not an option.
Guess Sydney can go away then and we can get used to Curnow playing for us next season..

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Suns need to dump salary to get Trac

They can dump Humphrey at ikon park if they like. That will help there salary issues lol

 

[swuzzlebubble]

What are your thoughts on Hollands? If he were to have an offer elsewhere, what would you guys want for him?

Is he too far gone?

He's free to good home by the sounds of it all

 

[JustaBattler]

I like where you are coming from.

Recruiting team has focused heavily on running backs so it's a black mark against them if we come up short next year. Potential is there. Backmen need a midfield that can apply pressure and our midfield is poor there. Put pressure on the ball carrier in the middle and we open the game up for our defenders to zone off intercept and rebound quickly. Force more blind kicks and shallow entries. So pace and chase has to be recruited for the midfield for that to work.

Adding more depth to the midfield as you say spreads the load. Smith and another then Walker does that. Chesser will be a part of it all in some capacity then Walker comes in next year.

I think Brisbane have set the bar in regards to midfield depth and quality. Have to match or beat them to win a flag now.

Our lack of forward targets is an issue. We get to the middle of the ground and run out of options to kick to. Our smaller forwards have no overhead game and do not present. Moir and Kemp do help here.


As an opposition side I'm looking at carltons lack of pace and depth and going after that and you see it all the time.

1. Get the ball out in space, get it out wide make it an open running game and out run us.

2. Cut out Walsh. That takes away all our pace in the middle. Makes us easy to defend against and attack against.

3. Crowd Curnow and McKay. We rarely kick to other players because they are ground level only and they don't present and don't pose an aerial threat.

4. Tag Saad. He's been left as our only threatening run and carry half back so that's easy. Good teams have 3 or 4, we don't have that.

These 4 things in this order have to be our focus. Take away opposition's tactics that work so well against us. Hence, we are easy to coach against.

Newman back helps a lot with rebound kicking, Cowan is improving every game and has to be unleashed for hi srun - tjhe central problem in defense has always been no 2ndKPD - a pity HOF got injured as he ahs all tehe attributes of a good mark and a good kick.

On the outside- Haynes was playing nbtter as a wingman than Acres - but Chesser/Cottrell and maybe O Hollands back to wing improve run and carry there - Walsh will play as much on a flnk as on ball.

The other issue has and continues to be lack of forward not Charlie nto Harry targets - where Evans in teh last few ga,es showed more than Motlop/Durdin havee - ever.

No introduce Smith into teh side and we have two potential all day each way riunners in Walsh and Smith ...

I'm nowher near as sad faced and down on Carlton in 2026 as most in this thread appear to be.

TDK is a sorta big loss. So a second KPD, and a decent small forward are the targets - to add to Evans / Williams Moir and later in the year Kempy - and no whining whingers to carry all year is not a bad place to be. Which is why picking up Chesser/Buku and Reid are sensoble selections and not to be scoffed at.

 

[Aphrodite]

Ah yes, good old

All time classic

Injury - Marc Murphy - OP

Hate to be the bearer of bad news guy's but..... I just came back from the Physio and Marc Murphy was being treated in the next room. I obviously listed with great curiosity to what he and his physician were talking about. He had to come off the track at training yesterday, as his groins were...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Matty411]

Again, happy for Ben Ainsworth

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(BA) to come to the club and think it will cost us around the same as Reidy with the salary cap freed. We have space and they need to make it. We also have a place for a smaller forward to make their own.

Think a few will be pleasantly surprised with Ben and I urge them to not write him off after his 2025 alone.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

So Hayward is not an option.
Guess Sydney can go away then and we can get used to Curnow playing for us next season..

Be surprised if he's not part of a deal should one happen

 

[katmanblue]

Yep both Daicos bros, Smith and Curnow

Flog Cola?

 

[zeggie]

So Hayward is not an option.
Guess Sydney can go away then and we can get used to Curnow playing for us next season..

Bloody hypocrisy of Sydney. Both are contracted for 4 years!

"Keane, as reported on Monday, said Curnow was a “priority” deal for the Swans through the trade period.

On Tuesday, Keane said Hayward, a clever forward, and midfielder Rowbottom will not be involved in any deal.

“Will Hayward is contracted for four more years, and he will see out that contract. There is not much in those rumours to be honest,” Keane told Trade Radio."

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

What are your thoughts on Hollands? If he were to have an offer elsewhere, what would you guys want for him?

Is he too far gone?

Free to a good home from the sounds of it and every chance to be delisted. A shame because he's a genuine talent.

I'm still in the camp of hoping nobody comes to the party and we keep him on to give him one final chance.

 

[tarczonandjane]

I like the way Keane is saying Hayward is rumours. But it was Hayward himself who basically said he was open to a move to Carlton!

 

[thechef95]

Bloody hypocrisy of Sydney. Both are contracted for 4 years!

"Keane, as reported on Monday, said Curnow was a “priority” deal for the Swans through the trade period.

On Tuesday, Keane said Hayward, a clever forward, and midfielder Rowbottom will not be involved in any deal.

“Will Hayward is contracted for four more years, and he will see out that contract. There is not much in those rumours to be honest,” Keane told Trade Radio."

"Not much in those rumours"... that Will himself sparked.

 

[macky99]

Be surprised if he's not part of a deal should one happen

Agree if Hayward is not part of the package, good chance Curnow will stay.

l don't see Austin & Wright back flipping based on their stance unless it is a very good deal picks & players involved.

 

[katmanblue]

Not to be a Karen and a buzz kill

Mission successfully failed.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Free to a good home from the sounds of it and every chance to be delisted. A shame because he's a genuine talent.

I'm still in the camp of hoping nobody comes to the party and we keep him on to give him one final chance.

That is my thinking with him and hoping we may have a crack at him.

Hard to tell how far gone he is though

 

[SurreyBlue]

Pick 7 for Flanders is incredible business by the Suns.

@

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

What are your thoughts on Hollands? If he were to have an offer elsewhere, what would you guys want for him?

Is he too far gone?

Caveat Emptor.