Traded Judd McVee [traded to Fremantle for pick #23]

[danster168]

You wanted a first ya sausage. And your club is trying its best to get back to the sort of list that delivered the 2011 debacle in Geelong. Every chance you get to use a real picture of kozzie in purple in the next 24 months to recreate that avatar too

Thanks for reminding me. All of your fans were frothing over Kozzie and like completely forgetting that you'd have to give up something huge to get him.You realise how highly unusual that this. Half the board was posting mock best 22 lineups with Bolton and Pickett in the fwd line, and completely forgetting that he was gonna cost you 3 first rounders. lol.Highly odd.

If Pickett goes in 2 years, I'd be fine with it because it'd cost you more than what he's worth.

 

[Joao]

I've seen Danster say that McVee is better than Hayden Young

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Hayden Young

Age

24

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

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Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

and worth a top 3 pick in this draft.

For some reason, I found myself agreeing with him now.

 

[Spook]

Pick 11 is too high but Pick 30 is too low.

Do Freo get bold and offer a F1 as part of the deal, backing themselves in to improve next season?

Final trade was almost exactly half way. Good call.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Danster on the warpath, taking everyone down.

 

[PrancingPony]

your supporters wanted a first rounder for Griffin Logue...lol. And the entire supporter base didn't rate Jackson so that just speaks of mainstream footy followers that wouldn't know talent unless it was Kozzie Pickett.

Dan I'm going to let you in on something, a few people in a fanbase wanting a certain outcome isn't the same as the entire supporter base agreeing on something as consensus.

And you saying people didn't rate Jackson is objectively wrong, the majority of Fremantle fans were frothing at the idea of bringing him in, but by "didn't rate" him I assume you just mean some people in the fanbase didn't want to give up a lot for him.

 

[eastfreo75]

Danster on the warpath, taking everyone down.

How’s he on your board? Does throw hay makers?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

How’s he on your board? Does throw hay makers?

He is just as amusing.

 

[wingersclub]

Wishing Judd all the best at Freo.
I’m sure we will give him the Melbourne specialty…
BOOOOOOOO

 

[Stevooo3940]

Thanks for reminding me. All of your fans were frothing over Kozzie and like completely forgetting that you'd have to give up something huge to get him.You realise how highly unusual that this. Half the board was posting mock best 22 lineups with Bolton and Pickett in the fwd line, and completely forgetting that he was gonna cost you 3 first rounders. lol.Highly odd.

If Pickett goes in 2 years, I'd be fine with it because it'd cost you more than what he's worth.

Whatever bruz... just happy we both agree that you dont set the value for anything, ever. Kozzie aint staying long term and when he leaves, it aint going to be anywhere near what he's worth. Blame the management of your club for that one. Good night

 

[Heart Of Purple]

Whatever bruz... just happy we both agree that you dont set the value for anything, ever. Kozzie aint staying long term and when he leaves, it aint going to be anywhere near what he's worth. Blame the management of your club for that one. Good night

Wait but ... Didn't he sign long term?

Like Oliver (or is it the other good mid they have? What's his name?). Club is stacked with midfield talent until at least 2030

 

[eastfreo75]

Rivers in next year's trade period.

 

[txbyhull]

How about rock paper scissors for him but I can’t lose

Rivers in next year's trade period.

 

[danster168]

Dan I'm going to let you in on something, a few people in a fanbase wanting a certain outcome isn't the same as the entire supporter base agreeing on something as consensus.

And you saying people didn't rate Jackson is objectively wrong, the majority of Fremantle fans were frothing at the idea of bringing him in, but by "didn't rate" him I assume you just mean some people in the fanbase didn't want to give up a lot for him.

I agree regarding Griffin Logue but regarding Jackson I think about 80% of freo fans said that he was 'potential only', 'just a 2nd ruck' etc. Your boards were rife with these comments. So saying 'potential only' and '2nd ruck' showed complete ignorance as it showed they they had paid 0 attention to the fact he had actually had some break out performances when Max Gawn wasn't playing and also the fact that he is arguably playing behind the greatest ruck in history which would indeed make every ruck in the history of the game 'a 2nd ruck' to Gawn. I said he would overtake Darcy in 6 months. I got criticised for that and literally he became your best player in 6 months. Dees fans rightfully wanted Brayshaw. And he showed he was also worth more making the AA squad in his first year. So yeah, fair to say that there's not much crawling back from any of those fans (which was the majority) that tried to get him for cheap.

 

[TheBoss]

Rivers in next year's trade period.

Don't threaten me with a good time!

 

[Mr Cheese]

I agree regarding Griffin Logue but regarding Jackson I think about 80% of freo fans said that he was 'potential only', 'just a 2nd ruck' etc. Your boards were rife with these comments. So saying 'potential only' and '2nd ruck' showed complete ignorance as it showed they they had paid 0 attention to the fact he had actually had some break out performances when Max Gawn wasn't playing and also the fact that he is arguably playing behind the greatest ruck in history which would indeed make every ruck in the history of the game 'a 2nd ruck' to Gawn. I said he would overtake Darcy in 6 months. I got criticised for that and literally he became your best player in 6 months. Dees fans rightfully wanted Brayshaw. And he showed he was also worth more making the AA squad in his first year. So yeah, fair to say that there's not much crawling back from any of those fans (which was the majority) that tried to get him for cheap.

All joking, and crazy valuations aside, I think it's pretty clear you're incredibly passionate and have a detailed appreciation of players (particularly Melbourne) and their abilities. However, you do fall into the trap of almost pathologically needing to win an argument, which is a shame as you then resort to taking on the more nuffy side of big footy (let's face it fanbases all have them). I think most rational Freo fans were hyper aware of Jackson's potential to be a game breaker (yes there was a vocal section who engaged in wanting him for an F3), but also cognisant of trade value given contracts and precedent. Snuff sums it up the best in that we "overpaid but got him for unders". This may well be the case with McVee - it's a clear area of need for us (2nd attacking hbf), but he comes with the benefit of being an A-Grade lockdown defender, which will help stop run ons and adds another element of versatility to an already pretty flexible side. As far as I see a good deal for both sides - we're clearly confident of pulling off Plan A, or have an unwritten part of the deal to have given 33 to the Eagles for, what appears to be, nothing.

 

[danster168]

All joking, and crazy valuations aside, I think it's pretty clear you're incredibly passionate and have a detailed appreciation of players (particularly Melbourne) and their abilities. However, you do fall into the trap of almost pathologically needing to win an argument, which is a shame as you then resort to taking on the more nuffy side of big footy (let's face it fanbases all have them). I think most rational Freo fans were hyper aware of Jackson's potential to be a game breaker (yes there was a vocal section who engaged in wanting him for an F3), but also cognisant of trade value given contracts and precedent. Snuff sums it up the best in that we "overpaid but got him for unders". This may well be the case with McVee - it's a clear area of need for us (2nd attacking hbf), but he comes with the benefit of being an A-Grade lockdown defender, which will help stop run ons and adds another element of versatility to an already pretty flexible side. As far as I see a good deal for both sides - we're clearly confident of pulling off Plan A, or have an unwritten part of the deal to have given 33 to the Eagles for, what appears to be, nothing.

passionate yes. but no, i'm case by case in terms of who I rate/don't rate. not just blindly loyal. Hell i don't rate Harvey Langford which doesn't go down on my own board well but that sort of disproves your theory right there. And i'm totally fine with losing trac, Oliver, May and Lever when/if they get traded and i don't really care what we get for them.

Mcvee at only 22, and with his skillset should've been getting financial offers north of what Sam Flanders is getting. He is better than Flanders and comfortably. Losing Mcvee puts us back a few years. I rate him as the 2nd most important pkayer behind Kozzie.

"overpaid but got him for unders". what does this even mean. unnecessarily criptic.

the reality is, i'm happy to be proven wrong. We'll know in a years time. And knoe I dont need to win an argument. Just frustrating when freo fans didnt rate Jackson and now are underselling Mcvee. And say what you like but most of your supporters didnt rate Jackson so now its a bit cringe and hypocritical when you call him dogga and act like he's a fan favourite etc.

Back to Mcvee, if he was contracted, we wouldn't trade him for any pick outside of the top 3. so pick 23 is robbery and you've done well and that pick isnt going to amount to much anyway most likely

 

[Mr Cheese]

passionate yes. but no, i'm case by case in terms of who I rate/don't rate. not just blindly loyal. Hell i don't rate Harvey Langford which doesn't go down on my own board well but that sort of disproves your theory right there. And i'm totally fine with losing trac, Oliver, May and Lever when/if they get traded and i don't really care what we get for them.

Mcvee at only 22, and with his skillset should've been getting financial offers north of what Sam Flanders is getting. He is better than Flanders and comfortably. Losing Mcvee puts us back a few years. I rate him as the 2nd most important pkayer behind Kozzie.

"overpaid but got him for unders". what does this even mean. unnecessarily criptic.

the reality is, i'm happy to be proven wrong. We'll know in a years time. And knoe I dont need to win an argument. Just frustrating when freo fans didnt rate Jackson and now are underselling Mcvee. And say what you like but most of your supporters didnt rate Jackson so now its a bit cringe and hypocritical when you call him dogga and act like he's a fan favourite etc.

Back to Mcvee, if he was contracted, we wouldn't trade him for any pick outside of the top 3. so pick 23 is robbery and you've done well and that pick isnt going to amount to much anyway most likely

Think we have a misunderstanding there; the initial statement wasn't meant to imply blind loyalty, simply a greater knowledge of Melbourne players, as would be expected (again not to say wider knowledge is poor). My use of brackets maybe needs improvement.

As for the "overpaid but got him for unders" - this simply alludes to the players' capabilities and value to the various sides, set against contract status and what they 'could' be gotten for. Freo have always been pretty generous as the buying side (not necessarily a bad thing), and I think have done well to get the players they want and still pick the eyes out of the draft using the picks they have and solid talent identification in the SSP and Rookie drafts. There's an argument that we 'could' have paid less for Jackson and McVee (not saying this is representative of value, simply that we didn't exactly play hardball), hence the view that we 'overpaid' in that moment. The reality is that, in Jackson's case (and I'm confident in McVee's), he was a gun player who made us significantly better, and is trending to fulfill his potential and then some, as a rolled gold swiss-army knife of epic proportions. Anyone should gladly trade three firsts for him, hence 'but got him for unders'. As for McVee, I agree with your valuation - he looks like he could be similar to Clark (better defense, not as quick offensively, but potentially more damaging in the longer-term, even contributing at CBAs) and given the growing importance of attacking from half-back in the modern game, it's a steal - people will still be annoyed at giving the Eagles pick 33 though...

I think primarily judging a fanbase, or getting frustrated by them, based on the Draft rumour columns here is a bit of a fools-errand. I know for a fact, all of the Freo fans I know in real life, and the majority on our forum, were stoked to get Jackson, and like so McVee; of course there are some who surf the Dunning-Kruger curve hard and spout some nonsense, as there are from every team, there's also a general lack of knowledge around McVee (moreso than Jackson), predominantly because most are drawn to the big names, including the talking heads on TV. These fans are also likely shouting very loud about how great he is; but I guess that's one of the nuanced joys/frustrations of sport fandom - hot takes for days.

 

[Dez!]

Just don't engage him.

The fact he doesn't rate Harvey Langford who in one season has shown to be our best young player by far says enough.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Just don't engage him.

The fact he doesn't rate Harvey Langford who in one season has shown to be our best young player by far says enough.

 

[Rockmelon]

Freo and Dee’s fans going their seperate ways until next trade period

 

[fnerd]

Freo and Dee’s fans going their seperate ways until next trade periodView attachment 2451434

Yep … gotta good feeling we’all be back here next year! ….

 

[Madas]

Yep … gotta good feeling we’all be back here next year! ….View attachment 2451453

Not a great shock really
The writing was pretty much on the wall
They’ve both been trying to get out for a couple of years

F*ks sake Kozzie what were you thinking ?

 

[Dez!]

Yep … gotta good feeling we’all be back here next year! ….View attachment 2451453

Yeah nah.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Thanks for reminding me. All of your fans were frothing over Kozzie and like completely forgetting that you'd have to give up something huge to get him.You realise how highly unusual that this. Half the board was posting mock best 22 lineups with Bolton and Pickett in the fwd line, and completely forgetting that he was gonna cost you 3 first rounders. lol.Highly odd.

If Pickett goes in 2 years, I'd be fine with it because it'd cost you more than what he's worth.

Is it true your paying Pickett 1.4mil
That’s 500k more than jackson.

 

[rgauci]

Is it true your paying Pickett 1.4mil
That’s 500k more than jackson.

Jackson is our Scottie Pippen, hush. We’ve got a few on long term contracts for unders, Brayshaw, Young, Cox, Treacy…