Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

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Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[carlton_99]

Sorry, but how are we getting Collingwoods 1st?

I assume Rowbottom/Buller to Pies in a deal involving their F1.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Sorry, but how are we getting Collingwoods 1st?

Pies want Rowbottom. So their future first would be part of the package.

 

[DrTrain]

Sorry, but how are we getting Collingwoods 1st?

Rowbottom to pies

 

[Blue__Balls]

Elijah isn’t a scapegoat for our clubs inadequacies.

He’s suffering the consequences of his own repeated actions.

I’d love if he could somehow do something to make up for his past indiscretions and rectify the broken trust, allowing him to stay on the list. But I’m not sure that’s possible.

I'm all for second chances. Even third chances.

But I suspect that what has happened here is that Elijah was given a "last warning" and then transgressed again.

You can't then give him another chance. It undermines the lesson.

"Last chance, screw up again and you're out!"
"Oh OK...just one more you cheeky rascal, but this time we mean it!"

Once you prove the threat to be hollow, it no longer holds any weight. If nobody else wants him, I'd consider a VFL contract and if he stays squeaky clean for 12 months then maybe a rookie lifeline for 2027. But right now, if the ultimatum was set then for his sake and ours we should abide by it. Support doesn't always mean giving more chances, sometimes it's about consistency and consequences to help the person learn.

 

[Carltonfc9]

If i was nick austin in a perfect world

Sydney recive Charlie curnow, Carlton 2025 67

Carlton receive will hayward, Sydney pick 11, Sydney 2026 1st, Collingwood 2026 future 1st (recived from Sydney for trading rowbottom and Buller to Collingwood)

Geelong receives Sydney pick 11 Carlton pick 53
Carlton receive geelong pick 19, geelong 2026 future 1st (helps geelong get marshal and gets us points for Dean ,ison and walker)

Gold Coast receive Carlton pick 10, pick 22(they trade to Melbourne for trac)

Carlton recive Walter

Port Adelaide recive 2x 2026 future 1st (which ever ones they want), Carlton 2027 future 1st 2027 future 2nd

Carlton receive zac butters, Port Adelaide 2026 future 3rd

 

[Soapy V]

Would be happy to see this pan out:

Curnow for Pick 11, future first, Hayward and [something].

Pick 10 and [something] for Walter and a future second.

22 for Khamis and 32.

11 covers Dean.
32 covers Ison.

2026 - our first, Sydney's, GC's second - should provide enough of a platform to set up a draft hand that gets Walker.

Newman, Weitering, Haynes
Carroll, Cowan, Saad
Hollands, Walsh, Chesser
Pittonet, Cripps, Smith
Hayward, McKay, Ainsworth
Moir, Walter, Williams
I/C: Cerra, Hewett, Kemp, Evans, Khamis
EMG: Wilson, Lord, HOK

Would then love to see Newman and Saad pushed out by kids by year's end. Haynes probaboy plays all year with HOF out, Dean starting in the ressies and challenged to push past Khamis.

Forgotten man, Cottrell. Feel like he should play, but not sure whose spot he takes and could see him just becoming solid, loyal depth.

Not an overly young side, but one that I think could push into the 8 while cycling some kids through 3-5 spots in any given week.

We don’t want to use 11 for Dean. We will either trade before or trade it on night if Dean taken early. JSOS pick likely as core for Dean

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

11 covers Dean.
32 covers Ison.

11 is worth 1205 points.

It only covers a bid at 10 which is 1276 points minus 10% discount = 1148 points. It's crazy tight now. A bid at 6 will swallow 11 and 32 almost entirely.

 

[Blue__Balls]

We don’t want to use 11 for Dean. We will either trade before or trade it on night if Dean taken early. JSOS pick likely as core for Dean

Interesting. Not sure how the JSOS pick ends up core for Dean given it's positioning and the potential for him to be bid on inside the top 10.

By my reckoning, a bid at 8 would seem reasonable (some think earlier, some later), and if so then Pick 22 leaves us needing another 600+pts.

Trading back works, of course. But I can't help but feel that trying to trade ahead of the Dean pick is a misstep this year.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If i was nick austin in a perfect world

Sydney recive Charlie curnow, Carlton 2025 67

Carlton receive will hayward, Sydney pick 11, Sydney 2026 1st, Collingwood 2026 future 1st (recived from Sydney for trading rowbottom and Buller to Collingwood)

Geelong receives Sydney pick 11 Carlton pick 53
Carlton receive geelong pick 19, geelong 2026 future 1st (helps geelong get marshal and gets us points for Dean ,ison and walker)

Gold Coast receive Carlton pick 10, pick 22(they trade to Melbourne for trac)

Carlton recive Walter

Port Adelaide recive 2x 2026 future 1st (which ever ones they want), Carlton 2027 future 1st 2027 future 2nd

Carlton receive zac butters, Port Adelaide 2026 future 3rd

Carlton need one of those F1s and then some in order to get Walker.

 

[Blue__Balls]

11 is worth 1205 points.

It only covers a bid at 10 which is 1276 points minus 10% discount = 1148 points. It's crazy tight now. A bid at 6 will swallow 11 and 32 almost entirely.

Covers "enough" I suppose I should say.

I don't think Dean gets a bid at 6, more likely 8-9ish in my view. Whatever surplus we'd need would then come from 32 - which itself will move back a bit, but also come back in with other bid matches happening. As long as 32 stayed in the 30-36 range I think it would (in addition to our couple of later picks) be sufficient for Ison.

 

[BIuebagger]

Hayward, 11, Syd F1 and Collingwood F1

… that would be in line with yazz ‘s 3 first round picks next year.

We could then package up 10 and 11 to get us Walter or Humphrey and still bring in some points to match Dean and Ison.

Edit: probably overkill from a Sydney perspective .. but I can dream.

A haul of Walter/Humphrey, Hayward, Ainsworth, Chesser, Khamis and Reidy, with enough points to get Dean and Ison in and future picks in to get Walker through in 2026?

Offsetting TDK, JSOS, Durdin and Curnow leaving?

I think I would need a lie down…

 

[Carltonfc9]

Carlton need one of those F1s and then some in order to get Walker.

We would still have 2 2026 first round picks and 2 2026 3rd round picks could surely bundle its all up and get very high up the trade order if it's a deep draft

 

[DangerousD]

Swans have leaked today (via Cal Twomey) that they are shopping Florent to try and get the Curnow deal going. That implies that we aren't interested in Florent, but Swans think they can shop him for something that helps

Have also leaked that Hayward/Carlton info again. That implies that we DO want him

I suspect Swans are trying to get a first-round pick above where a Dean bid will come. If we keep TDK pick to match Dean, that feeds into something 'too good to refuse', I think.

Interestingly, I don't think we have been linked to Rowbottom, even though I think he is great and would fit perfectly, and so I suspect they are kicking the tyres on a big series of trades like:

• Rowbottom --> GCS or Essendon for pick 6 or 7ish.
• McDonald + a pick to West Coast for pick 2? From our end obviously we want pick 11 to go (not pick 7) so lets assume that IS the case and a few other bits and pieces change hands

The 'too good to refuse' trade could be something liek:

• Curnow --> Sydney
• Pick 2, 7 (or 11), F1 and Hayward to Carlton
• We also ship a player to WC (Acres? another WA boy?) to get them off the cap and clear a list spot (a la the Durdin trade)

The carrot here is that it is at least one pick and either a pick that covers Dean (allowing 10/11 to be used by us) or even a second pick ahead. Plus a later pick next year - assuming our own gets used on Walker we can then draft at 15-20 or so as well

Is a top 5 pick, Hayward, a bonus top 15 pick this year, and a bonus 15-20 pick next year enough? I'd rather Rowbottom directly, more than the top 5 pick, but I think that does become enough

Reports a day or so ago were that Florent wasn’t untested on moving, this might be them giving him a nudge

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Elijah isn’t a scapegoat for our clubs inadequacies.

He’s suffering the consequences of his own repeated actions.

I’d love if he could somehow do something to make up for his past indiscretions and rectify the broken trust, allowing him to stay on the list. But I’m not sure that’s possible.

So what actions did he actually do to suffer these consequences?

I saw some Richmond bloke beat the crap out of some bloke outside of a pub and the club stood by him. Stengle rushed to hospital after a 3am nightclub 'incident', and the club supporting him as an "error in judgement." How did Degoey go over in Bali last time he visited there?

All I see is photos showing Lij undertaking pre-season training with our future captain Walsh along with other players around Princes Park. Does that demonstrate lost trust with the players, or a club with a piss poor culture that the coach has to come out and admit at a Best and Fairest presentation?

So let's just cut him. We did it with Fev, we did it with Mitch, we did it with Jeffy, and where did that get us? Maybe we're looking in the wrong direction.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If i was nick austin in a perfect world

Sydney recive Charlie curnow, Carlton 2025 67

Carlton receive will hayward, Sydney pick 11, Sydney 2026 1st, Collingwood 2026 future 1st (recived from Sydney for trading rowbottom and Buller to Collingwood)

Geelong receives Sydney pick 11 Carlton pick 53
Carlton receive geelong pick 19, geelong 2026 future 1st (helps geelong get marshal and gets us points for Dean ,ison and walker)

Gold Coast receive Carlton pick 10, pick 22(they trade to Melbourne for trac)

Carlton recive Walter

Port Adelaide recive 2x 2026 future 1st (which ever ones they want), Carlton 2027 future 1st 2027 future 2nd

Carlton receive zac butters, Port Adelaide 2026 future 3rd

Trying to piece this together:

Carlton: Out - Curnow, #10, #22, #67, F1 2027, F2

In - Walter, Butters, Hayward, #11, #19, F1 from 1 of 3 teams, F3

I'm about to have an aneurysm.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

So what actions did he actually do to suffer these consequences?

I saw some Richmond bloke beat the crap out of some bloke outside of a pub and the club stood by him. Stengle rushed to hospital after a 3am nightclub 'incident', and the club supporting him as an "error in judgement." How did Degoey go over in Bali last time he visited there?

All I see is photos showing Lij undertaking pre-season training with our future captain Walsh along with other players around Princes Park. Does that demonstrate lost trust with the players, or a club with a piss poor culture that the coach has to come out and admit at a Best and Fairest presentation?

So let's just cut him. We did it with Fev, we did it with Mitch, we did it with Jeffy, and where did that get us? Maybe we're looking in the wrong direction.

Whatever it was, the club are angry. Not up to us to second guess those who know what happened. If his presence causes an issue for a bigger name player, that might be the reason for our stance.

 

[Soapy V]

Interesting. Not sure how the JSOS pick ends up core for Dean given it's positioning and the potential for him to be bid on inside the top 10.

By my reckoning, a bid at 8 would seem reasonable (some think earlier, some later), and if so then Pick 22 leaves us needing another 600+pts.

Trading back works, of course. But I can't help but feel that trying to trade ahead of the Dean pick is a misstep this year.

Perfect world we want to trade up to Pick 3-4 then have points for Dean & Ison. We don’t want a heap more youth.

 

[DangerousD]

So who you taking ?
Hayward Rowbottom combination
or just Humphries
I'm taking Hayward Rowbottom everyday

Humphries plays for Geelong, Humphrey plays for GC

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Good news from the Geelong board.

Charlie has "privately nominated" Geelong.

And its a "done deal" that Charlie will be in hoops next season.

 

[btdg]

So what actions did he actually do to suffer these consequences?

I saw some Richmond bloke beat the crap out of some bloke outside of a pub and the club stood by him. Stengle rushed to hospital after a 3am nightclub 'incident', and the club supporting him as an "error in judgement." How did Degoey go over in Bali last time he visited there?

All I see is photos showing Lij undertaking pre-season training with our future captain Walsh along with other players around Princes Park. Does that demonstrate lost trust with the players, or a club with a piss poor culture that the coach has to come out and admit at a Best and Fairest presentation?

So let's just cut him. We did it with Fev, we did it with Mitch, we did it with Jeffy, and where did that get us? Maybe we're looking in the wrong direction.

I agree completely.

In the context of what other clubs have deemed redeemable, there HAS to be more to this. Geelong had a player on the field on grand final day only a few days after his 'finger injury' received treatment and they seem to be sticking by him, for example.

If the Hollands situation is a repeat of his issues at GC, then it still doesn't seem that different to Bailey Smith or a host of others, and given he's been back training and with the group, I still feel that surely we offer a path to redemption for at least one more year.

The only thing that might be different is that his brother is a key part of the club, and maybe it just puts too much on Ollie; might be easier to not have to be watching over your older brother the whole time, and maybe that's the agreed thinking on all parts (put some distance between them).

But as you note, we did exactly this with Fev, Yarran, Jeffy, and it not only cost us, but it also turned out to be the worst thing for them. Poor Fev and Yaz were out of the league 12 months after leaving Carlton and well before their time.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Swans have leaked today (via Cal Twomey) that they are shopping Florent to try and get the Curnow deal going. That implies that we aren't interested in Florent, but Swans think they can shop him for something that helps

Have also leaked that Hayward/Carlton info again. That implies that we DO want him

I suspect Swans are trying to get a first-round pick above where a Dean bid will come. If we keep TDK pick to match Dean, that feeds into something 'too good to refuse', I think.

Interestingly, I don't think we have been linked to Rowbottom, even though I think he is great and would fit perfectly, and so I suspect they are kicking the tyres on a big series of trades like:

• Rowbottom --> GCS or Essendon for pick 6 or 7ish.
• McDonald + a pick to West Coast for pick 2? From our end obviously we want pick 11 to go (not pick 7) so lets assume that IS the case and a few other bits and pieces change hands

The 'too good to refuse' trade could be something liek:

• Curnow --> Sydney
• Pick 2, 7 (or 11), F1 and Hayward to Carlton
• We also ship a player to WC (Acres? another WA boy?) to get them off the cap and clear a list spot (a la the Durdin trade)

The carrot here is that it is at least one pick and either a pick that covers Dean (allowing 10/11 to be used by us) or even a second pick ahead. Plus a later pick next year - assuming our own gets used on Walker we can then draft at 15-20 or so as well

Is a top 5 pick, Hayward, a bonus top 15 pick this year, and a bonus 15-20 pick next year enough? I'd rather Rowbottom directly, more than the top 5 pick, but I think that does become enough

I can't see them wanting to get up above a Dean pick, plus give us 11 and an F1, plus Hayward. A top 5 pick, 11 and Hayward is very good as it is. We do need that F1 though.

 

[carlton_99]

Good news from the Geelong board.

Charlie has "privately nominated" Geelong.

And its a "done deal" that Charlie will be in hoops next season.

Humorous but if they want him they can improve their offer because 3 1sts have already been rejected publicly

 

[Carltonfc9]

Trying to piece this together:

Carlton: Out - Curnow, #10, #22, #67, F1 2027, F2

In - Walter, Butters, Hayward, #11, #19, F1 from 1 of 3 teams, F3

I'm about to have an aneurysm.

Carlton in butters Walter hayward #19 future 1st, future 3rd

Out 10 11 22 67 2x future 1st 2026 2027 future 1st and 2nd

Would be awesome but even me looking at it now I dont think it leaves us with enough points for Dean and ison lol

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Perfect world we want to trade up to Pick 3-4 then have points for Dean & Ison. We don’t want a heap more youth.

I'd rather take a potential Sydney pick 10 and TDK compo and offer it up to Suns and try and get Walter and a future 1st out of them. Just take Dean and Ison from the draft.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

We would still have 2 2026 first round picks and 2 2026 3rd round picks could surely bundle its all up and get very high up the trade order if it's a deep draft

I missed the Geelong 1st rounder, until I posted a summary of your trade from a Blues perspective. However, the AFL have said teams will only be able to match using 2 picks. If we finish in the same spot next year, we would still need the equivalent of Pick 5 to match a bid at 1. We will be hoping Cody slides outside the top 5.