Traded Charlie Curnow [Traded with #31, #42, '27 R2 (Carl) to Sydney for Hayward, #11, '26 & '27 R1 (Syd)]

[carlton_99]

hmm

Florent, Hayward, pick 11, 26 1st

Curnow, 26 2nd

We don't have a 26 2nd - went in the deal for Ainsworth

 

[Geezington]

3 way trade
Freo give - pick 106
Recieve Ollie Florent and will hayward

9

Will Hayward

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

9.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

5star

Carlton give curnow
Recieve pick 106
Sydney give Florent and hayward
Recieve curnow
Fair deal all round looks abit one sided to Carlton but I think it gets it done

 

[Bagger72]

Sad watching Charlie flying all over Australia prostituting himself like Bonnie Blue.

Oh how far Charlie has fallen in a very short period of time.

 

[TasSixer]

We don't have a 26 2nd - went in the deal for Ainsworth

27 2nd then

 

[Mr Meow]

Both are AFL-quality players that would add a lot to the Carlton team. Florent provides run and distribution off HB and Hayward is one of the best mid-sized forwards in the AFL. Can do work on the ground and is good on the lead and/or when marking overheard for his size. Beautiful kick as well.

Florent is a C grader, Hayward is a lower tier B grader. Sydney are doing a number on Carlton if those players add serious weight to the deal.

 

[SOSforPM]

Florent is a C grader, Hayward is a lower tier B grader. Sydney are doing a number on Carlton if those players add serious weight to the deal.

Let it go Mate…Geelong played their part.

 

[carlton_99]

Florent is a C grader, Hayward is a lower tier B grader. Sydney are doing a number on Carlton if those players add serious weight to the deal.

I'm not going to bother disputing the grades as we clearly disagree on the players' value. But this is a significantly better offer than the one provided by the Cats if it comes with two first rounders. This will probably be the biggest trade offer we have ever seen for a player - two first rounders and two AFL quality players would be very rare.

Carlton were never going to replace Curnow as an individual in this trade. The goal is to try and get better overall with the sum of parts. Two players that improve our 23 in two different positions and two first round draft picks which would give us five at our disposal in 2025/6.

 

[Mr Meow]

Let it go Mate…Geelong played their part.

I hope the trade goes through. Sydney win it by a long way.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Florent is a C grader, Hayward is a lower tier B grader. Sydney are doing a number on Carlton if those players add serious weight to the deal.

It’s still a better deal than Geelong pick 11 this year plus let’s say 13-14 (at best) next year is way more than the Cats offered. Thats if you believe we are jumping up the ladder I am hardly confident

 

[T2B_]

I'm not going to bother disputing the grades as we clearly disagree on the players' value. But this is a significantly better offer than the one provided by the Cats if it comes with two first rounders. This will probably be the biggest trade offer we have ever seen for a player - two first rounders and two AFL quality players would be very rare.

Carlton were never going to replace Curnow as an individual in this trade. The goal is to try and get better overall with the sum of parts. Two players that improve our 23 in two different positions and two first round draft picks which would give us five at our disposal in 2025/6.

Nailed it.

 

[Mr Meow]

I'm not going to bother disputing the grades as we clearly disagree on the players' value. But this is a significantly better offer than the one provided by the Cats if it comes with two first rounders. This will probably be the biggest trade offer we have ever seen for a player - two first rounders and two AFL quality players would be very rare.

Carlton were never going to replace Curnow as an individual in this trade. The goal is to try and get better overall with the sum of parts. Two players that improve our 23 in two different positions and two first round draft picks which would give us five at our disposal in 2025/6.

It makes Carlton significantly worse and Sydney significantly better for the next 4 years.

Florent is genuinely a mediocre back flanker who can't defend.

Hayward's best is quite good but he has cleared 30 goals in a season only twice, and 50 goals/assists once. Never even been in AA squad of 44 discussions let alone being selected.

The picks are solid. This is a terrible draft to have pick 11, and Sydney will finish top 8 or maybe top 4 next year.

Sydney will do very well if they get this over the line.

 

[PayFL]

I think it lands something like this:

Carlton give: Charlie Curnow, 2026 2nd round pick
Carlton get: Pick 11, 2026 first round pick, Will Hayward

Sold!

A win-win deal - for both Swans and Charlie.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Wait to see what it spits out as but on the surface that looks like unders.
Sydney getting a very good deal.

 

[Mr Meow]

It’s still a better deal than Geelong pick 11 this year plus let’s say 13-14 (at best) next year is way more than the Cats offered. Thats if you believe we are jumping up the ladder I am hardly confident

I didn't say Carlton should have taken Geelong's offer. Just that Sydney walk out of this deal laughing if accepted. They're an astute club with this sort of thing and you're right, people assume Geelong will be top 2/4 while Sydney won't - we will see on that one.

 

[carlton_99]

It makes Carlton significantly worse and Sydney significantly better for the next 4 years.

Florent is genuinely a mediocre back flanker who can't defend.

Hayward's best is quite good but he has cleared 30 goals in a season only twice, and 50 goals/assists once. Never even been in AA squad of 44 discussions let alone being selected.

The picks are solid. This is a terrible draft to have pick 11, and Sydney will finish top 8 or maybe top 4 next year.

Sydney will do very well if they get this over the line.

We won't use Pick 11 in this draft imo. It would just get absorbed in a Dean bid which is expected before that point. If we have enough points remaining for Dean/Ison we might try and move 10+11 up ahead of a bid?

 

[SOSforPM]

I hope the trade goes through. Sydney win it by a long way.

Is that because you are angry that Carlton wouldn’t let Charlie go to Geelong?

 

[carlton_99]

I should say what I've said above is on the expectation that two first rounders are involved. If it's one it would be unders just like the Cats deal.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Florent i get because hes in and out of the team, but Hayward, why does he want to go? Isn't he best 23?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I didn't say Carlton should have taken Geelong's offer. Just that Sydney walk out of this deal laughing if accepted. They're an astute club with this sort of thing and you're right, people assume Geelong will be top 2/4 while Sydney won't - we will see on that one.

It’s a fair deal. 2 firsts one significantly higher this year. Next years first to be used for Walker. Plus two players that walk into a Carlton side tomorrow it’s way better.

 

[Mr Meow]

Is that because you are angry that Carlton wouldn’t let Charlie go to Geelong?

You're kind of deranged so if it's okay I think we should talk to each other less often.

 

[Mr Meow]

It’s a fair deal. 2 firsts one significantly higher this year. Next years first to be used for Walker. Plus two players that walk into a Carlton side tomorrow it’s way better.

It makes Sydney comfortably better and Carlton comfortably worse for the next 3 years. In 5 to 6 years Carlton may see the benefits via the picks. But keeping Curnow against his will wasn't a good idea either so Carlton were in a lose/lose situation from the start.

 

[Bagger72]

I think this will get through - we are going to have a very different looking team next season.

Inclusions from last years final round - Kemp, Cottrell, Smith, Newman, Ainsworth, Chesser, Hayward, Florent, Reidy, Dean and Ison

Exits - SOS, TDK, Charlie and Durdin.

Our hope is to see our C+ youngsters move into B grade - O. Hollands, Cowan, Lord, Carroll, Motlop, OFarrell and Moir.

Just need a gun key forward as I dont think we will get more than 30 goals from McGovern. Keeping E Hollands and commitment will be a bonus.

 

[banzai]

I'm not going to bother disputing the grades as we clearly disagree on the players' value. But this is a significantly better offer than the one provided by the Cats if it comes with two first rounders. This will probably be the biggest trade offer we have ever seen for a player - two first rounders and two AFL quality players would be very rare.

It's a decent trade, teams have traded pick 1 before though and Freo got pick 2 for Lachie Weller ffs. I'd consider that a bigger trade than pick 11 (will become 15 on draft night) and a late future first with 2 average players. Also the Judd trade was 3 + 20 + Kennedy wasnt it? That's far more than this offer.

I mean Florent is virtually a salary dump for Sydney given he's contracted for 4 more years and was playing VFL this season in an average team.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It makes Sydney comfortably better and Carlton comfortably worse for the next 3 years. In 5 to 6 years Carlton may see the benefits via the picks. But keeping Curnow against his will wasn't a good idea either so Carlton were in a lose/lose situation from the start.

New to LP are we? Usually a good reverse barometer.

This is a bloody steal for Sydney.
Good on them. Luck's a fortune sometimes.

We couldn't get this deal coming out ahead as the players we'd need to surrender would make us overall weaker. But looks like the Swans will manage it.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So hayward is not really in it having been sold a vision. Just wants his pay day like Jack and TDK.