Recommitted Zach Merrett [UFA 2027] - Wanted a trade to Hawthorn, but it didn't get done

[Lore]

There we go, that's the clip:

 

[GinniAndTonic]

These are Hawthorn's best 26 players this year in order from 1-26 according to Champion data. That's Champion Datas player rating in bold (Bont is number one in the comp at about 18 points if anyone is curious)

Ginnivan was their 10th best player, so everyone under him down to 22 should be in the discussion. I'm not an idiot. I know they're not giving up Newcombe etc, nor should they.

Most of the players under Ginnivan are too old (27 plus). That's why Mackenzies name keeps coming up. He is ranked Hawthorn's 22nd best player this year, but is 21 years old, and is the only player outside Hawthorn's top-10 that Essendon would want, given that he is a midfielder with an upside.

Mackenzie simply has to be in the conversation. If not him, who? Mackenzie and two MID-RANGE first round picks probably gets it done, given Merrett will probably play 100 games for Hawthorn. Merrett is the most durable player i've ever see at Essendon.

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Any list that is saying James Worpel had a better year than Josh Battle should be irrelevant.

 

[GinniAndTonic]

Oscar Allen meeting with Mitchell - Leaked
Harley Reid meeting with Mitchell - Leaked
Zach Merrett meeting with Mitchell - Leaked

I'm seeing a trend here...

Cool and who gives a ****? Does it make a difference in the end? No!

 

[Dan26]

Any list that is saying James Worpel had a better year than Josh Battle should be irrelevant.

Use the list as a rough guide. It's broadly accurate, even though you can rightly quibble with a few things.

 

[bzparkes]

Only if you are incredibly immature like the majority of the AFL landscape.

I genuinely could not scare less if Sicily would have met with oppo coaches mid week when he was a free agent, anyone with a brain knows they will be looking at offers and they should be.

How many coaches openly talk to opposition captains during the season?

Everyone knows they do it, they don't announce it to the press beforehand though, or happily brag about talking to other club's players.

Well, except for McRae.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

These are Hawthorn's best 26 players this year in order from 1-26 according to Champion data. That's Champion Datas player rating in bold (Bont is number one in the comp at about 18 points if anyone is curious)

Ginnivan was their 10th best player, so everyone under him down to 22 should be in the discussion. I'm not an idiot. I know they're not giving up Newcombe etc, nor should they.

Most of the players under Ginnivan are too old (27 plus). That's why Mackenzies name keeps coming up. He is ranked Hawthorn's 22nd best player this year, but is 21 years old, and is the only player outside Hawthorn's top-10 that Essendon would want, given that he is a midfielder with an upside.

Mackenzie simply has to be in the conversation. If not him, who? Mackenzie and two MID-RANGE first round picks probably gets it done, given Merrett will probably play 100 games for Hawthorn. Merrett is the most durable player i've ever see at Essendon.

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Mackenzie is worth a first round pick (for us) without a doubt. At 30 years of age we simply don't view Merrett as worth 3 first round picks, i am not even totally opposed to him being traded at the right price unlike a lot of Hawk fans. But he is not a throw in, he is a central piece of a trade.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

How many coaches openly talk to opposition captains during the season?

Everyone knows they do it, they don't announce it to the press beforehand though, or happily brag about talking to other club's players.

Well, except for McRae.

Sam didn't announce it to the press but either way again, who cares.

If you know it happens you shouldn't care if you see it happening, it is so childish and immature it is insane.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Cool and who gives a ****? Does it make a difference in the end? No!

Clearly Essendon do lmao. Hence why they are refusing to pick up the phone to Hawthorn with regards to Merrett.

Thats the whole point, Mitchell leaking these meetings with high profile players with no regard for the club they reside at has backfired massively.

 

[HairyO]

It doesn't matter. If you're trying to pry a captain from a club you need to satisfy that club in a trade.

Hawthorn should've considered this before making a play. If they didn't, they've cocked this up massively.

Cocking it up would be paying overs for a 30 year old.

We cant all get Baker and Owies. Cats also failed with Curnow too. Though that seems to be ignored.

Essendon ****ed up Daniher, ****ed up Dunkley, nailed it with the game changing Fiorini and ****ed up Merrett.

Quite the club.

 

[GinniAndTonic]

Clearly Essendon do lmao. Hence why they are refusing to pick up the phone to Hawthorn with regards to Merrett.

Thats the whole point, Mitchell leaking these meetings with high profile players with no regard for the club they reside at has backfired massively.

No they aren’t picking up the phone because they are run by a bunch of monkeys, the did this same shit with Joe Daniher when he wanted to go to Sydney and how did that work out for them? That’s right shit house.

Again Mitchell didn’t leak it, it was Merrett and his team

 

[Duckworth]

You might be the most clueless person on bigfooty.

This is a classic!! Oh, to live a life without the curse of self-awareness.

 

[To the Hawk]

Merrett will be a hawk.

Everything in the media so far relates to Essendon needing to appease their members that they won the trade and pushed Hawthorn beyond what they were willing to trade. Hawthorn understand the first offer could have had prime Jason Dunstall and this was the outcome. Essendon have entered negotiations and it will get done.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

No they aren’t picking up the phone because they are run by a bunch of monkeys, the did this same shit with Joe Daniher when he wanted to go to Sydney and how did that work out for them? That’s right shit house.

Again Mitchell didn’t leak it m, it was Merrett and his team

Essendon had plenty of negotiations with Sydney regarding Joe. I remember it like it was yesterday because Sydney refused to trade Papley to Carlton unless Daniher was coming back the other way.

This is a completely different situation, Hawthorn have completely ballsed it up and royally pissed off Essendon which has seemingly destroyed any chance of a deal getting done.

 

[GinniAndTonic]

This is a classic!! Oh, to live a life without the curse of self-awareness.

You enjoying supporting a mediocre club? Enjoy watching your side get smashed week in week out? Get used to it.

 

[Dan26]

Mackenzie is worth a first round pick (for us) without a doubt. At 30 years of age we simply don't view Merrett as worth 3 first round picks, i am not even totally opposed to him being traded at the right price unlike a lot of Hawk fans. But he is not a throw in, he is a central piece of a trade.

Yes, but remember there is a trade-off when two of those first round picks are just that - picks (and the other is a player)

The player needs to be involved because there is a risk with only getting picks, due to the uncertain nature of picks. That "unknown" variable that only exists when trading for picks has to be partly alleviated with a player in the mix.

If it was two players who were of the equivalent value of, say picks 12 and 13, then that would be fine. No third player needs to be involved. I would agree with you. But two picks creates an unknown and only a player makes up that difference to counter the unknown.

I can't see it getting done without Mackenzie (unless a third club gets invloved). Just look at that list of Hawthorn's players in order - there is no one else. And Mackenzie probably doesn't want to get traded anyway.

 

[Duckworth]

Cool and who gives a ****? Does it make a difference in the end? No!

I think the next person who wants to try Lyndall's moussaka might think twice.

 

[GinniAndTonic]

Essendon had plenty of negotiations with Sydney regarding Joe. I remember it like it was yesterday because Sydney refused to trade Papley to Carlton unless Daniher was coming back the other way.

This is a completely different situation, Hawthorn have completely ballsed it up and royally pissed off Essendon which has seemingly destroyed any chance of a deal getting done.

And by not dealing Essendon will have totally screwed up the next 5 years of that football club.

 

[Hawkk]

Oscar Allen meeting with Mitchell - Leaked
Harley Reid meeting with Mitchell - Leaked
Zach Merrett meeting with Mitchell - Leaked

I'm seeing a trend here...

So, does anyone want to play with Michael Voss?

 

[bzparkes]

Sam didn't announce it to the press but either way again, who cares.

If you know it happens you shouldn't care if you see it happening, it is so childish and immature it is insane.

Someone leaked it to the press because he was on radio in Melbourne being quizzed about it before he even flew to Perth to meet Allen.

I don't imagine it was McDougall or WCE doing that.

 

[bzparkes]

Hawthorn came to the table with a strong offer, but the Essendon board are too busy tripping over their own egos to answer the phone. Unprofessional doesn’t even begin to cover it. No wonder Zac Merrett wants out - who wouldn’t want to escape that rabble?

Strong offer?

2 middling teens picks and Hustwaite, who apparently is the guy Hawks shop around in every potential trade.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So, does anyone want to play with Michael Voss?

Remind me how many players have arrived at Hawthorn this off season?

 

[Duckworth]

You enjoying supporting a mediocre club? Enjoy watching your side get smashed week in week out? Get used to it.

I think you are dealing with bigger problems than me watching a football game. But please keep bashing that keyboard champion.

And by not dealing Essendon will have totally screwed up the next 5 years of that football club.

Bring us those melts.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Someone leaked it to the press because he was on radio in Melbourne being quizzed about it before he even flew to Perth to meet Allen.

I don't imagine it was McDougall or WCE doing that.

To be honest the easier assumption would be that he went to sleep with someone elses wife

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

And by not dealing Essendon will have totally screwed up the next 5 years of that football club.

Probably, but they still have 0 interest in dealing with Hawthorn... Which is the entire point. Mitchell f***ed up just like Fly with the JSOS coffee date crap.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Yes, but remember there is a trade-off when two of those first round picks are just that - picks (and the other is a player)

The player needs to be involved because there is a risk with only getting picks, due to the uncertain nature of picks. That "unknown" variable that only exists when trading for picks has to be partly alleviated with a player in the mix.

If it was two players who were of the equivalent value of, say picks 12 and 13, then that would be fine. No third player needs to be involved. I would agree with you. But two picks creates an unknown and only a player makes up that difference to counter the unknown.

I can't see it getting done without Mackenzie (unless a third club gets invloved). Just look at that list of Hawthorn's players in order - there is no one else. And Mackenzie probably doesn't want to get traded anyway.

I am happy to let it not get done if the asking price is Mackenzie and two firsts, it is simply too much for a 30 year old no matter how durable he has been to date.

 

[bzparkes]

Mackenzie is worth a first round pick (for us) without a doubt. At 30 years of age we simply don't view Merrett as worth 3 first round picks, i am not even totally opposed to him being traded at the right price unlike a lot of Hawk fans. But he is not a throw in, he is a central piece of a trade.

Sure but if Hawks want to prize a contracted club captain, who is also that club's best player, they need to make a serious offer and that means giving up something good.

Can't just keep shopping Box Hill player Henry Hustwaite around constantly.