Delisted Callum Ah Chee - Joins Adelaide via the PSD

[Crow till I die]

 

[janty]

Will enjoy the "He's 28 and never finished top 10 in BnF" to "Man, I can't believe the Lions let a dual premiership player leave for nothing" shift over the next couple of days.

 

[bird_man]

Brisbane were asking too much for him IMO.

A good solid player but a 28 year old that averages 13 touches and 0.9 goals a game isn't worth a first round pick.

I just think Brisbane have had so many leg ups with father sons and academy's and will again this year that a pick around Ah Chees value just wasn't of much value to them.

 

[mattsmob]

Brisbane were asking too much for him IMO.

A good solid player but a 28 year old that averages 13 touches and 0.9 goals a game isn't worth a first round pick.

I just think Brisbane have had so many leg ups with father sons and academy's and will again this year that a pick around Ah Chees value just wasn't of much value to them.

What’s a pick around Ah Chee’s value in your opinion? Sounds like Brisbane were after two future 2nd round picks, likely in the 30-40 range, low chance of late 20’s.

 

[mpal6]

Brisbane were asking too much for him IMO.

A good solid player but a 28 year old that averages 13 touches and 0.9 goals a game isn't worth a first round pick.

I just think Brisbane have had so many leg ups with father sons and academy's and will again this year that a pick around Ah Chees value just wasn't of much value to them.

In this draft Tylar Young traded for pick 38, Budarick traded for pick 37, Ainsworth traded for pick 29 (salary dump too).

We believe Ah Chee is worth more than all of these players. We did compromise in the end saying F2 2026 and F2 2027 is acceptable. Crows just wanted their cake and eat it too and thought they can shovel it further down in value - sticking to F2 and F3.

At some point you need to walkaway when other party isn't serious about giving anything that's useful from your perspective. Dom did exactly that, we'll see how this pans out now.

 

[bird_man]

What’s a pick around Ah Chee’s value in your opinion? Sounds like Brisbane were after two future 2nd round picks, likely in the 30-40 range, low chance of late 20’s.

I think one of those picks should have been enough.

Understand he's a premiership player but that doesn't automatically make him an a grader.

 

[mpal6]

Two kids who potentially are late first round talents, plus Cooper Hodge.

I don’t expect Adelaide nuffies to be across the new draft rules for next year, or the potential draft pool, but your offer was worth four fifths of **** all to us.

There are potentially 6 first round father son and academy kids in next year’s draft. 7 if Port get access to Cochrane.

That blows the first round out to pick 25 before we start factoring in compensation picks.

Then there’s a heap more kids rated as second round prospects.

When Lions fans are saying what you offered for Ah Chee is worth **** all, we mean it.

The new rules make it really ****ing hard to trade up, especially if the picks are outside the first round. And there is absolutely no incentive to trade back for points or collect “extra” picks, because of the requirement to match bids with just 2 picks.

We needed your first round pick, even if it was via a pick slide, where you got our pick 23 in return, so we could split it across 2025 & 2026. Or we needed a top 25 pick in 2026 from you, and you weren’t offering that.

It's funny how the usefulness of the trade shouldn't matter from Lions perspective because "oh you won 2 premierships blah blah". Justin Reid thought he's still trading from bottom of the ladder with PSD threat which he used to get players like Dawson for unders and learnt a lesson quickly.

 

[mpal6]

I think one of those picks should have been enough.

Understand he's a premiership player but that doesn't automatically make him an a grader.

He will be a walk up best 22 in Adelaide's list profile right now - comes with premiership / finals experience as well, considering where Crows are in their list build.

Us giving him away for one pick is pretty much charity. Why do we have to strengthen our potential direct opposition (if we both make it to finals 2026) with finals/premiership experience for token picks mate. It makes no sense.

 

[bird_man]

In this draft Tylar Young traded for pick 38, Budarick traded for pick 37, Ainsworth traded for pick 29 (salary dump too).

We believe Ah Chee is worth more than all of these players. We did compromise in the end saying F2 2026 and F2 2027 is acceptable. Crows just wanted their cake and eat it too and thought they can shovel it further down in value - sticking to F2 and F3.

At some point you need to walkaway when other party isn't serious about giving anything that's useful from our perspective. Dom did exactly that, we'll see how this pans out now.

The fact that a second round pick holds no value to Brisbane falls in line with what I said in my first post.

Most clubs would be more than happy to get that for a 28 year old that averages 13 touches and 0.9 goals a game.

 

[mpal6]

The fact that a second round pick holds no value to Brisbane falls in line with what I said in my first post.

Most clubs would be more than happy to get that for a 28 year old that averages 13 touches and 0.9 goals a game.

We are not handing over a versatile Mr. Fix it player for late 30s early 40s pick mate. Played in forward line kicking 4 in 2024 grand final, played in wing and shutdown Dempsey in 2025 grand final. Drops back to defense when needed as he could play there quite comfortably.

Actually, in a way we were happy to concede in the end - that's credit to Dom trying to look after Ah Chee. The offer we said was acceptable was their F2 2026 (which they had on table already) and F2 2027 (with tassie picks would've blown out to late 40s - early 50s). That's a rubbish offer too if you ask our draft expert supporters but Brisbane decided to go with it anyway.

The fact that Justin Reid chose to be pigheaded rather than doing that deal in a blink shows what Crows really thought of this trade. They decided they could strongarm us and push it even lower by offering F2+F3. That's not on in our list boss's watch.

 

[beatnik]

Well, all AFL clubs do outside of you guys and GCS as 2nd rounders are very important to them in their list build.

Then go and trade for one of their players

 

[Soggy2112]

The fact that a second round pick holds no value to Brisbane falls in line with what I said in my first post.

Most clubs would be more than happy to get that for a 28 year old that averages 13 touches and 0.9 goals a game.

It’s the same point I was trying to make.

The offer the Crows put forward was a better offer than what the Saints accepted for Steele, so I think it’s definitely in the ball park of what a fair offer should be.

The counter to that has been, well we’ve got these academy players so won’t really use those picks. I’m not sure how it can be that Adelaide has to add to their already reasonable offer, because the Lions won’t use it, because of the clear advantage they have over the rest of the competition.

Good luck finding a good player with pick 45 and 65.

There is a number of good players taken in that range every season. It might not be likely, but when you don’t have guaranteed access to talent through the academies, you do have to hold on to some of those picks to build your list.

Btw, clubs usually have players earmarked for selection in the draft from a long way out. There might be a player/s in that pick range who has already been identified as valuable.

 

[beatnik]

The fact that a second round pick holds no value to Brisbane falls in line with what I said in my first post.

Most clubs would be more than happy to get that for a 28 year old that averages 13 touches and 0.9 goals a game.

It’s deliberately deceitful to call 40+ a ‘second rounder’

It’s also asinine to clutch your pearls over Brisbane refusing to accept a trade that didn’t suit us - the consequences of our stance forced a player to earn more money via the PSD whereas the consequences of your club’s stance cost a young man more than a million dollars and humiliated him on a national stage

 

[Soggy2112]

It’s deliberately deceitful to call 40+ a ‘second rounder’

There’s a fair bit of irony that a Brisbane supporter would make this point.

That pick should be the 32nd pick, if the draft wasn’t so diluted.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Glad to see all the PSD clubs slowly waking up to the fact that a dual premiership player is available for a free hit on cap.

West Coast, Port Adelaide were the obvious ones.

Carlton now have the cap space thanks to Curnow moving on. Bombers - well bombers will take any good player to improve their list at this stage. There's hardly anyone still pulling the big bucks with all frontloaded contracts clearing books.

I don't see how Ah Chee's manager is going to bully 2 big victorian clubs. Ah Chee more than likely to end up in Victoria now. I'd say Saints will be a sneaky chance too as they were in full-on win now mode this off-season. Adding a dual premiership player for free? Gubby and SOS will have their grubby fingers all over it

Carlton dont have the cap space they took on florents bad contract plus Hayward.

 

[Dom PC]

Just because you say it isn't doesn't mean so. It will be under pick 20.

Your club has a duty to trade in good faith. It seems you thought we would be push-overs like West Coast. Your dumb-ass list manager instead pushed himself into a corner when he publicly scoffed at us after learning we'd not trade our first. Instead of capitulating, he decided it'd be better to throw Ah Chee under the bus. Embarrassing. Good clubs don't insist on overs till the end. Uncontracted 28+ year old role players aren't worth a first round pick and never were.

Good clubs get the trade done when they get players to commit. I'm sure Cal will understand your clubs status when he's lining up for another club next year, like all other players weighing up coming to your club via a trade.

 

[ABAB]

So our counter offers were F2 + a slide from 16 to 23 (or) F2 2026 and F2 2027. Adelaide didn't want to do either. Joke's on them. Justin Reid would've got the shock of someone standing his ground and saying a flat no to his pesky offer for once.

I can't believe Dom was actually pretty accommodating in the end asking for 2 seconds to let Ah Chee go. 2027 2nd is tassie diluted and equal to a third pretty much. Dom has been pretty flexible after all.

I would've punted Justin Reid's ass out the door if he didn't have a first rounder in some form (points, pick slide whatever) included as part of any offer.

That's why I said you nuffies head would have exploded lol.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Gee the Lions are going to be pissed on draft night next year with the future hall of famer the crows draft with picks 35 and 55 that the Lions desperately need because they have nonyoung stars under 23

Im guessing the Crows fans are pissed that theyre paying a guy close to a mil a year when he's not even worth a top 30 pick

Shocking salary cap management considering he’ll be 34 at the end of his contract

 

[Dom PC]

I guess during his exit interview when he asked to be traded. Didn’t Fagan say that he would be leaving? Sounds like they wanted to help him along.

This is a bad faith argument. Their are two parties involved here and an agreement could not be reached. That’s on both clubs. Brisbane is not exempt from blame.

He lived up to his end of the bargain, and Brisbane to theirs. He fulfilled his contract. Brisbane could have accepted a f2 and f3 to get him to where he wants to go. Instead, they’ve accepted nothing and he’s in purgatory. Lose/lose just so Brisbane could save face? All this after an already excellent trade period for you lot.

Maybe Brisbane were asking too much? Could concessions have been made to a player who was a big part of two flags? Or was this simply a business decision by Brisbane? If so, I’m not sure Ah Chee would feel very welcome at a club who views him as just a commodity.

I think most people assumed this trade would get done...

Bad faith is offering a fat contract to a player, getting him to commit to you and then offering a late 2nd rd pick and steak knives to get him.

Brisbane asked for a late first rd pick and would have met half way with accepting an early 2nd rd pick.... if that's demanding way overs for Cal then you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

Brisbane even offered to accept Adelaide's future 2nd rd picks for 2026 and 2027... both picks in the late 30s and Adelaide didn't budge. They ended up making zero effort to make the trade happen. I'd call that bad faith.

 

[radiojake]

really highlights the fact that Brisbane and Adelaide literally are playing different games when it comes to the draft

The team that just played in their third consecutive grand final can draft in multiple generational midfielders by cobbling together a heap of picks in the 30s and grab a top 5 pick

Adelaide don't get access to any such thing so a pick 16 to us has way more value, and way more important to us


I'm not big on my trade history but I'd like to know the last time an uncontracted 28 year old with no top 10 b&f finishes was traded for a first rounder - If Brisbane fans would like to pull out a similar comparison I'd be interested in that

There wouldn't be a neutral fan who would think that Adelaide were the unreasonable ones in this

 

[ABAB]

Gee the Lions are going to be pissed on draft night next year with the future hall of famer the crows draft with picks 35 and 55 that the Lions desperately need because they have nonyoung stars under 23

Im guessing the Crows fans are pissed that theyre paying a guy close to a mil a year when he's not even worth a top 30 pick

Shocking salary cap management considering he’ll be 34 at the end of his contract

Damn, it's gone to "close to $1M a year". Next week it will be "close to $2M" lol.

 

[Obeanie1]

Genuinely hilarious stuff from Brisbane.

Failed to extract a first-round pick, which is an unprecedented asking price for a 28 year old role player. No-one ever has nor ever will pay that much for that type of player at that age. What a laughing stock. Now they'll get nothing, and we'll likely get him for nothing.

You wont be laughing when he doesn't get to the Crows.

Eagles were into Ah chee before he chose the Crows. And without a doubt they will be talking to him and his manager every day before the PSD.

Why wouldn't they select him in the PSD?

WA boy who was considering heading home.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Damn, it's gone to "close to $1M a year". Next week it will be "close to $2M" lol.

Would you throw in a 4th rounder as well for a guy on $2mil?

 

[ABAB]

Would you throw in a 4th rounder as well for a guy on $2mil?

Nah, next week will be F3 and F4 instead of F2 and F3.

 

[JasRulz63]

really highlights the fact that Brisbane and Adelaide literally are playing different games when it comes to the draft

The team that just played in their third consecutive grand final can draft in multiple generational midfielders by cobbling together a heap of picks in the 30s and grab a top 5 pick

Adelaide don't get access to any such thing so a pick 16 to us has way more value, and way more important to us


I'm not big on my trade history but I'd like to know the last time an uncontracted 28 year old with no top 10 b&f finishes was traded for a first rounder - If Brisbane fans would like to pull out a similar comparison I'd be interested in that

There wouldn't be a neutral fan who would think that Adelaide were the unreasonable ones in this

Brisbane also asked for two (most likely) late second rounders, including one in a compromised draft.

 

[Nathan Barley]

really highlights the fact that Brisbane and Adelaide literally are playing different games when it comes to the draft

The team that just played in their third consecutive grand final can draft in multiple generational midfielders by cobbling together a heap of picks in the 30s and grab a top 5 pick

Adelaide don't get access to any such thing so a pick 16 to us has way more value, and way more important to us


I'm not big on my trade history but I'd like to know the last time an uncontracted 28 year old with no top 10 b&f finishes was traded for a first rounder - If Brisbane fans would like to pull out a similar comparison I'd be interested in that

There wouldn't be a neutral fan who would think that Adelaide were the unreasonable ones in this

I’d like to know the last time a player has kicked 10 goals in a finals series and not finished top 10 in a B&F

But like you said, why offer a huge contract to an old guy who hasn’t finished top 10 in a B&F. Crazy