Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[dangertroy]

I agree. If a player has signed a 5 year deal for $5 mil and the parties agree to front end load it so player gets $1.3m for first 3 years and then be due just 550,000 for final 2 years; if player decides to leave after 3 years they should have to repay the $900,000 that they have received as front loaded payment.
If this was written into all front loaded contracts it would be a strong incentive for players to honour the original long term contract.

Clubs front and back end payments for their benefit, not the players - it helps them move money around to juggle the salary cap. The actual amount of money paid isn’t going to bankrupt the club - clubs would be able to pay more to fit in more stars if the cap allowed it. Even if the club got the money back, they can’t really spend it due to the cap.

You could give them cap space back, but then do you take space from the club trading them in? If you don’t balance it then you’re increasing the overall salary, and you can’t make it retrospective as it would put clubs in breach. FWIW, I’d love to see cap space as an actual tradable asset - ie: a club trades away a high draft pick for the ability to spend an extra million bucks for one superstar…

I feel that front ended deals already impact trades enough anyway. No doubt we took the money we’d paid Charlie into account when setting our trade price. It made it harder to get the deal. If Charlie’s deal was only about money, then the club would have re-negotiated his contract, just like saints did with Wilkie or Essendon with Merrett last year.

 

[Blue Pulse]

I'm also for a redemption story, however it appears that not one other AFL club entertained the possibility of EH, and that says to me there is more to this than we can know. I really do wish Elijah well in his life, and would love for him to continue with us. But I also trust those in decision making (given it seems that no other AFL club entertained having Elijah on their list). Just me...

Heath Buck, "My Blue Heaven" on youtube did a spiel on Elijah and made some really interesting points about him and the club. Re who was in charge, who was part of our leadership group compared to who we have now in charge and what our leadership group will be like going forward. Basically, Is there better support there now to keep him in line?

Apparently Kennedy was a bit of a mentor to him as well when he was there.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Re McGovern - out tall defender stocks are weits and young, with Dean, Haynes as third tall types. We need McGovern.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

I like Ollie and defend Motlop a fair bit. Young we gave way too long a contract on the back of half a year of good footy end of 2022, which he has never replicated since.

That isn't his fault, he is a battler and backup, and most likely will be delisted end of 2026. But yes, I do find it odd when people have their pet players they dislike, it's like they want them to fail to be justified in their opinion.

Yep, good post. Like you I have a soft spot for Motts, still young at 21. Lots of improvement forthcoming imo.

Young is obviously a depth player, but to be a finals list you have to have decent depth players. Of which Lewy is one of those.

What I have noticed about him is he seems to play better as a forward, than a backman. Does not dominate, but brings the ball to ground and

provides some clever knock-ons to advantage. Maybe, if given the chance he could be serviceable in Charlies absence.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Barracked for Carlton as a kid you know.

More likely pussies.

 

[marcmurphy3]

More likely pussies.

It was 100% Carlton

 

[agro]

More likely pussies.

Pretty sure it was us.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Re McGovern - out tall defender stocks are weits and young, with Dean, Haynes as third tall types. We need McGovern.

We might give Phillips a go. Gov isn't really a tall defender option anyway, more a third tall type himself.

 

[bradfisher14]

Breaking News:

I have made a late play for Dua Lipa.

 

[ctwenty1]

Barracked for Carlton as a kid you know.

he did, you know

whoel family were/are carlton

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Breaking News:

I have made a late play for Dua Lipa.

Why laugh at them? At least they had the balls to have a go...

I would have sent him there if I could too... F1(North) + F1(Pies) + 27F1(North) would have been a very juicy return for him...

Have to wonder if the Pies did give up their F1... North come to us with that offer, what could have happened...

 

[Blue Pulse]

With regards to McGovern or any other AFL player, they all have the talent and skill to play the game, however to get the best out of yourself every time you go onto the field is another challenge. I find McGovern frustrating, highly skilled, can be fantastic at times and very average at other times.

There were times when he should have been dropped to get his confidence back and find form, but he was a favourite of the selection panel. This has to stop. Happy to keep him but, no excuses, bust a gut or play VFL. We have been doing this with too many players over the years.

My gut feel, he was left out of the last 3 games so he didn't hit his trigger clause and I feel the message came from above the coaching group as those above are raising the bar. This came after Vossy was reappointed and I feel Vossy was given a few instructions on what he needs to do going forward as well.

 

[ctwenty1]

Breaking News:

I have made a late play for Dua Lipa.

sorry

I'm not trading her......unless you have something that could "turn my head"

 

[sparkybagger]

Short bike ride to Arden St

 

[Benaly28]

On Elijah-
I'm more inclined to trust the club on this one. I'm usually all for giving players a 2nd chance and helping them through personal issues/circumstances, but it sounds like his indiscretions are quite serious. If the club is looking to pay him out of his contract early, just to get him out of the club, that has to be serious.

If we're looking to shift to a winning, all-in culture, we need everyone on board. This is our line in the sand moment.

As much as I'd love to keep him for his talent, I don't want him anywhere near the group if it's going to hamper/interrupt us on our journey to success.

As Voss said we have culturally defeated ourselves this year.Lij was a major factor.No chance he stays.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Why laugh at them? At least they had the balls to have a go...

I would have sent him there if I could too... F1(North) + F1(Pies) + 27F1(North) would have been a very juicy return for him...

Have to wonder if the Pies did give up their F1... North come to us with that offer, what could have happened...

Had they have thrown in young Trembath I would have bit at that trade

 

[DangerousD]

This trade is isolation is a loss for Brisbane

But, other outcomes are

a) doesnt get the player to the club they want
b) doesnt allow the other club to get the player they want
c) makes it really tricky now for the player to get to their preferred club
d) enables another club to come in and convince Ah Chee to go to them in the PSD

So if I'm another club wanting a Brisbane player I know:
a) its going to be hard to get the player
b) I might need to over pay
c) I may not even get the player I want even if I've spent all this time convincing them to come

So what does that mean for Brisbane - they get to decide who and at what value they will release a player. Also provides greater stability in playing group because they know other clubs at trying to pinch players because they are hard to extract. Agree this also makes it potentially less desreable to be there as a player as leaving is harder, but while Bribsane are supper successful that is probabaly less of an issue.

So in my view, thats Brisbane first

Cheers, I can see why some could argue that but I really think it’s a bad move on many fronts, with a few of the points being a bit of a myth.

The outcomes that you listed first, in my opinion obviously, are not a good reflection on the football club, screwing over a two time premiership player who’s out of contract, to make some point, I’d be filthy if I was Ah Chee

if a player is contracted I agree with your statements or if a club offers a deal that is below the players value but neither of these are at play here.

The Lions were more than happy to accept picks from WC for a player, who WC didn’t need to trade for at all, as they could have taken him in the PSD.

I imagine the Lions would be preaching loyalty and accepting deals to keep the squad together in the pursuit of success, which all clubs should, to then deny a player an opportunity to set themselves up or return home when out of contract, would be detrimental to player culture.

I hope Annabelle gets bid on higher than expected and this comes back to bite them

 

[RPCB]

So the deal would have been Simpkin instead of Hayward, no 2025 1st, a potential top 4 pick in 2026 and around Pick 15-20 in 2027 depending on if they don’t improve? Nah…

Shots fired

 

[AndyLucimitis]

It was 100% Carlton

His old man was a staunch Bluebagger

 

[ctwenty1]

Cheers, I can see why some could argue that but I really think it’s a bad move on many fronts, with a few of the points being a bit of a myth.

The outcomes that you listed first, in my opinion obviously, are not a good reflection on the football club, screwing over a two time premiership player who’s out of contract, to make some point, I’d be filthy if I was Ah Chee

if a player is contracted I agree with your statements or if a club offers a deal that is below the players value but neither of these are at play here.

The Lions were more than happy to accept picks from WC for a player, who WC didn’t need to trade for at all, as they could have taken him in the PSD.

I imagine the Lions would be preaching loyalty and accepting deals to keep the squad together in the pursuit of success, which all clubs should, to then deny a player an opportunity to set themselves up or return home when out of contract, would be detrimental to player culture.

I hope Annabelle gets bid on higher than expected and this comes back to bite them

I dont disagree - its a frought strategy for them and only works I think while they are strong

 

[Big Delut]

So the deal would have been Simpkin instead of Hayward, no 2025 1st, a potential top 4 pick in 2026 and around Pick 15-20 in 2027 depending on if they don’t improve? Nah…

Shots fired

Not Simpkin, what they were going to receive for Simpkin. Possibly Collingwood 2026 F1

 

[agro]

I wrote to Claudia Schiffer and asked her to marry me about 30 years ago, I guess based on that I’m still a chance.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

He he comes.
Then we’ll gave boaky/davies/voss to try and convince butters to get on board next year

 

[RPCB]

Not Simpkin, what they were going to receive for Simpkin. Possibly Collingwood 2026 F1

I didn’t read that properly. I still wouldn’t do that trade as we got one of the best trade packages ever for a player…