Delisted Callum Ah Chee - Joins Adelaide via the PSD

[Crow till I die]

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

I watch all Crows games.

Haven't missed a game since we came in the competition.

So why did you say Murphy was a defender if you don't watch our games?

You just make shit up?

This thread has proven this guy constantly sprouts bs..

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Question to the Crows faithful in here, if another club does pick up Ah Chee in the PSD will it change your thoughts on Reid's approach to the trade negotiations?

Absolutely not!

 

[Soggy2112]

Question to the Crows faithful in here, if another club does pick up Ah Chee in the PSD will it change your thoughts on Reid's approach to the trade negotiations?

It would depend on what we do with our first round pick.

You have to look at list management holistically. Reid has made a calculated risk on the basis that keeping that first where it is is important to our list strategy.

Whether that risk is worth it is dependent entirely on what we do with that pick.

The very high likelihood is Ah Chee ends up at Adelaide anyway.

 

[Crouch]

Question to the Crows faithful in here, if another club does pick up Ah Chee in the PSD will it change your thoughts on Reid's approach to the trade negotiations?

No. Ah Chee isn't worth getting reamed over.

 

[Soggy2112]

Of course you would because Ben has done absolutely nothing in he’s career

Statistically, Keays has performed better than Ah Chee. He has also won a best and fairest.

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

Question to the Crows faithful in here, if another club does pick up Ah Chee in the PSD will it change your thoughts on Reid's approach to the trade negotiations?

Why should it change opinions when we already know other teams can take him?

 

[ABAB]

Question to the Crows faithful in here, if another club does pick up Ah Chee in the PSD will it change your thoughts on Reid's approach to the trade negotiations?

I would have done 2026 F2 and 2027 F2 (given how compromised this draft will be) just to see mpal6's head exploded as it wasn't "1st rounder or nothing" we kept on hearing but I can understand list managers are reluctant to trade consecutive 2nd rounders as it doesn't give them option to trade up the 1st rounder. That's why Reid offered F2 and F3, slight overs for an uncontracted player.

 

[ABAB]

No one said it was over what they said was a pick inside 25 Adelaide didn’t even bother looking for one

We had pick 29 from Port Power which was rejected by Brisbane, yes Brisbane likely would have had give F2 or F3 which were "meaningless" picks for you guys anyway.

 

[Crouch]

I have listed now going back the last 6-7 years, a number of trades involving players of similar age, ability and experience to Ah Chee. All of them involved similar picks to what Adelaide offered, and none of them include a pick slide similar to what people are suggesting Adelaide should have agreed to. If you can present a trade that indicates why Adelaide should have done so, please do.

In fact, looking back, there is one trade I did find.

Ablett, pick 24 and a future fourth was traded from Gold Coast to Geelong in exchange for pick 19 and a future second.

That, is effectively the same trade that Brisbane suggested for Ah Chee. Come on now…

I have asked many times for someone to produce a similar trade where a club exchanged a 1st round pick for an uncontracted 28 yr old role player.

Here is what local troll Elixuh came up with...

Colin Alexander
David Bain
Tom Bell
Brad Boyd

There’s 4.

Ryan Bastinac
Amon Buchanan
Frank Dunnell
Nial Mckeever

That’s another 4. This is getting embarrassing for you.

None which actually meet the criteria and the majority are so old they're likely grandpas by now. Just embarrassing stuff.

Still waiting.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I have asked many times for someone to produce a similar trade where a club exchanged a 1st round pick for an uncontracted 28 yr old role player.

Here is what local troll Elixuh came up with...



None which actually meet the criteria and the majority are so old they're likely grandpas by now. Just embarrassing stuff.

Still waiting.

So no recent examples.

Funny that!

Lions living in the land of delusion.

 

[mpal6]

I would have done 2026 F2 and 2027 F2 (given how compromised this draft will be) just to see mpal6's head exploded as it wasn't "1st rounder or nothing" we kept on hearing but I can understand list managers are reluctant to trade consecutive 2nd rounders as it doesn't give them option to trade up the 1st rounder. That's why Reid offered F2 and F3, slight overs for an uncontracted player.

Thread's too boring now man. Rinse n repeat same rubbish. See you in a month in PSD.

 

[Soggy2112]

I have asked many times for someone to produce a similar trade where a club exchanged a 1st round pick for an uncontracted 28 yr old role player.

Here is what local troll Elixuh came up with...



None which actually meet the criteria and the majority are so old they're likely grandpas by now. Just embarrassing stuff.

Still waiting.

To add some info:

Ryan Bastinac was 24 at the time of his trade. Tom Bell was also 24, and no first round pick was involved.
Amon Buchanan’s trade also included Brent Staker and did not include a first round pick.
Who is Nial McKeever?

The others weren’t even traded this century so it’s laughable to include them in this conversation.

 

[ABAB]

Thread's too boring now man. Rinse n repeat same rubbish. See you in a month in PSD.

We missed your constant nuffies rant of "1st rounder or nothing" posts lol.

 

[Soggy2112]

Thread's too boring now man. Rinse n repeat same rubbish. See you in a month in PSD.

Mate, point us to a trade with a player of equivalent age, experience and ability that involves a first round pick and the thread might move forward.

The only reason we’re repeating the same rubbish is because no Lions fan has presented one.

 

[leighmo]

The only valid way to work out his trade value is to look at the precedents that have been set. Again I can’t find one that supports the argument that Adelaide should have been compelled to include a first rounder in the deal.

Don’t beat yourself up, it doesn’t exist.

 

[Crouch]

Thread's too boring now man. Rinse n repeat same rubbish. See you in a month in PSD.

 

[1990crow]

ANB isn’t a dual premiership player Cal was actually playing injured for most of the season

He is a premiership player..

 

[1990crow]

Ok don’t go asking for anything more than a 3rd when a Crom player comes out of contract that’s fair yeah

This is like talking to a toddler. Zero football comprehension.

 

[1990crow]

Question to the Crows faithful in here, if another club does pick up Ah Chee in the PSD will it change your thoughts on Reid's approach to the trade negotiations?

No. But won't happen, so not really worth discussing.

 

[Iridescence]

This is like talking to a toddler. Zero football comprehension.

Zero grey matter.

 

[daniel_4tw]

The different contracted vs uncontracted.

If a player is contracted you absolutely have the right to hold them to their contract and not do a deal unless it 100% benefits your team. We saw that with Merrett and Marshall this year. The player agreed to play for the club and have to see the contact out if the club wishes.

Uncontracted? Nah. They’ve fulfilled their agreement to the club. They have chosen not to stay with the club and are not required to do so. The club losing the player now needs to get the best they can and facilitate the trade. You’re never going to get full value but that’s what happens when you don’t have a signed contract.

Pretty poor form from Brisbane as they’re happy to snap up free agents who have fulfilled their contracts but won’t let a 28 year old have the same luxury when a reasonable offer has been tabled. Even if it’s not quite full value, that’s how it works with no contract.

It’s also highlighted the inequalities and advantages northern teams have with their academies. When a F2 is worthless because it doesn’t add up to some bullshit points system, it shows how far things have gone off track.

Time to stop the academies. Time to make teams pay fair value for F/S. Time to stop the massive advantage a handful of teams have over the rest of the competition.

Then maybe Brisbane will value a F2 because it’s the only way to rebuild and replenish the list like the majority of other clubs in the AFL.

 

[Dom PC]

This argument doesn’t work though because the opposite is also true. Brisbane offered a salary that undervalued him in order to bring in Draper and Allen, but still wanted to demand a high price at the trade table.

The only valid way to work out his trade value is to look at the precedents that have been set. Again I can’t find one that supports the argument that Adelaide should have been compelled to include a first rounder in the deal.

Brisbane traded Starce to WCE in what was a relatively fair trade.

If Adelaide had offered a relatively fair trade, Ah Chee would be in crows colours now. The Starce trade proves Brisbane wasn't out there trying to rip clubs off.

Asking for an early 20s pick for Ah Chee wasn't asking for the world. Nor was asking for two late future 2nd rd picks...

Ah Chee's trade value was only ever going to be what Brisbane would accept. Sadly for Adelaide, they thought Brisbane was bluffing and now they have to deal with the consequences.

Losing Ah Chee for nothing does suck, but based on what Adelaide's final offer was, Brisbane clearly was dealing with a club that was very happy to use the PSD so was always going to stick with their low ball offer. Ah Chee will be very greatful to Adelaide for this welcoming start no doubt. Great first impressions etc. etc.

 

[Soggy2112]

Brisbane traded Starce to WCE in what was a relatively fair trade.

If Adelaide had offered a relatively fair trade, Ah Chee would be in crows colours now. The Starce trade proves Brisbane wasn't out there trying to rip clubs off.

Asking for an early 20s pick for Ah Chee wasn't asking for the world. Nor was asking for two late future 2nd rd picks...

Ah Chee's trade value was only ever going to be what Brisbane would accept. Sadly for Adelaide, they thought Brisbane was bluffing and now they have to deal with the consequences.

Losing Ah Chee for nothing does suck, but based on what Adelaide's final offer was, Brisbane clearly was dealing with a club that was very happy to use the PSD so was always going to stick with their low ball offer. Ah Chee will be very greatful to Adelaide for this welcoming start no doubt. Great first impressions etc. etc.

This has been explained already but here we go again…

The Starcevich trade was an entirely unique situation. He was a restricted free agent and was entitled to walk to West Coast without a trade because the Lions would not be able/were unwilling to match their offer. However, by coincidence, West Coast were also losing a free agent to the Lions which would mean that both clubs compensation picks would be compromised.

It was therefore, mutually beneficial for both teams to facilitate a trade. Brisbane also had more leverage, because if a trade was not done, then the Eagles would lose pick 2. Not only that, West Coast were given a priority pick which, reading between the lines, was always intended for this trade so that the AFL could gift them pick 2.

You actually got massive overs for Starcevich, because under free agency rules, you should have gotten nothing for him. That trade is not an example of Brisbane being “fair traders”. They just took advantage of the leverage they had to get the best deal possible.

For Adelaide to trade second rounders in consecutive years would have jeopardised any future list management plans we might have. I’m sure any player moving to a club would be pretty understanding of that.

On the other hand, Brisbane decided that after under paying him to bring in other FAs, they would rather let him go for nothing, jeopardise his future career, and leave him in limbo for six weeks, just to prove a point.

Which club do you think a player would be more frustrated with.

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

This has been explained already but here we go again…

The Starcevich trade was an entirely unique situation. He was a restricted free agent and was entitled to walk to West Coast without a trade because the Lions would not be able/were unwilling to match their offer. However, by coincidence, West Coast were also losing a free agent to the Lions which would mean that both clubs compensation picks would be compromised.

It was therefore, mutually beneficial for both teams to facilitate a trade. Brisbane also had more leverage, because if a trade was not done, then the Eagles would lose pick 2. Not only that, West Coast were given a priority pick which, reading between the lines, was always intended for this trade so that the AFL could gift them pick 2.

You actually got massive overs for Starcevich, because under free agency rules, you should have gotten nothing for him. That trade is not an example of Brisbane being “fair traders”. They just took advantage of the leverage they had to get the best deal possible.

For Adelaide to trade second rounders in consecutive years would have jeopardised any future list management plans we might have. I’m sure any player moving to a club would be pretty understanding of that.

On the other hand, Brisbane decided that after under paying him to bring in other FAs, they would rather let him go for nothing, jeopardise his future career, and leave him in limbo for six weeks, just to prove a point.

Which club do you think a player would be more frustrated with.

I'm not sure if these Brisbane fans are purposely ignoring the circumstances around the Starcevich trade or just don't understand anything.

 

[Dom PC]

This has been explained already but here we go again…

The Starcevich trade was an entirely unique situation. He was a restricted free agent and was entitled to walk to West Coast without a trade because the Lions would not be able/were unwilling to match their offer. However, by coincidence, West Coast were also losing a free agent to the Lions which would mean that both clubs compensation picks would be compromised.

It was therefore, mutually beneficial for both teams to facilitate a trade. Brisbane also had more leverage, because if a trade was not done, then the Eagles would lose pick 2. Not only that, West Coast were given a priority pick which, reading between the lines, was always intended for this trade so that the AFL could gift them pick 2.

You actually got massive overs for Starcevich, because under free agency rules, you should have gotten nothing for him. That trade is not an example of Brisbane being “fair traders”. They just took advantage of the leverage they had to get the best deal possible.

For Adelaide to trade second rounders in consecutive years would have jeopardised any future list management plans we might have. I’m sure any player moving to a club would be pretty understanding of that.

On the other hand, Brisbane decided that after under paying him to bring in other FAs, they would rather let him go for nothing, jeopardise his future career, and leave him in limbo for six weeks, just to prove a point.

Which club do you think a player would be more frustrated with.

Yep, very familar with the Starce situation.

At the end of the day WCE had the same option as Adelaide with Ah Chee (push Starce through the draft) but they didn't. A relatively fair trade was reached.

You guys are tying your self in knots over this to rationalise the Ah Chee outcome.

Ah Chee will be upset at both clubs, but only one club has commited to getting him to Adelaide... and it wasn't Brisbane.