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To think there won't be a dedicated 2nd tier comp in Victoria IF the AFL goes to a national reserves competition is incredibly stupid
 
CFC1995 said:
To think there won't be a dedicated 2nd tier comp in Victoria IF the AFL goes to a national reserves competition is incredibly stupid
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The only real hope for one is if the metro leagues decide to cooperate / merge / joint venture a division or two above them for the top clubs.

If there’s no hunger for that, then there’s no hunger for it.
 

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Bunk Moreland said:
The only real hope for one is if the metro leagues decide to cooperate / merge / joint venture a division or two above them for the top clubs.

If there’s no hunger for that, then there’s no hunger for it.
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VFL clubs can't afford to pay what some local clubs can eg. a player from the SFNL is going to a Peninsula club for $1400 , there are no salary caps. A player from a VFL club in the west is going to an Eastern club for $40,000 a year
 
bedford said:
VFL clubs can't afford to pay what some local clubs can eg. a player from the SFNL is going to a Peninsula club for $1400 , there are no salary caps. A player from a VFL club in the west is going to an Eastern club for $40,000 a year
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Which is why they’d be best integrated into the local league system and they can find their own level as all other clubs do.

You would want a citywide top division but that would require mergers / cooperation between the different local leagues and they’re more concerned with their own little empires.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Which is why they’d be best integrated into the local league system and they can find their own level as all other clubs do.

You would want a citywide top division but that would require mergers / cooperation between the different local leagues and they’re more concerned with their own little empires.
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Correct , it won't happen
 
It will 100% happen. The players playing VFL aren't playing for money, they are playing to play at the highest level and be the best player they can be.

If they don't have that opportunity available to them the will move interstate. The AFL rightly gets smashed for their running of the VFL, but the amount of money they have to spend flying and accomodating stand alone clubs to the 5 interstate teams is incredibly high. When that need to travel is removed, that money will be reinvested to a 2nd tier comp.
The AFL invests millions of dollars into the U18s competition, with maybe 40 being drafted each year. They will always have a Victorian option for those who aren't drafted. Hopefully what's next is better than what we currently have, but to think there won't be anything at all is silly.
 
SeaSide said:
That sad. Many former VFA clubs together with some strong suburban clubs would relish being part of a strong 2nd tier Aussie Rules competition in metropolitan Melbourne.
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Don't think so , some just like to be kings amongst shit , instead of shit amongst shit
 
SeaSide said:
That sad. Many former VFA clubs together with some strong suburban clubs would relish being part of a strong 2nd tier Aussie Rules competition in metropolitan Melbourne.
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The history of the VFA is of strong suburban teams joining the comp. Willy and Port the only real teams to be able to still claim original member status?

There will always be a 2nd tier comp in Victoria
 

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Good news for the bees, Dom Brew has signed for another season. If he plays half a season, he'll move into second on the Werribee games list.
 
bedford said:
No one can afford it
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And it was a contributing factor in the VFA's demise.

All 12 VFA clubs were in debt by a five-figure amount at the start of 1994.

BOX HILL - $140,000 (historical)
COBURG - $160,000
DANDENONG REDLEGS - undisclosed (suffered a downturn in local support after the liquidation stunt it pulled in 1993) FRANKSTON - $40,000 (expected to be debt free by mid-1994)
OAKLEIGH - $210,000
PORT MELBOURNE - around $200,000 (0on the back of recruiting ex-VFL players in the 1980s. With a restricted liquor licence, the Borough was unable to derive income from poker machines)
PRAHRAN - $200,000
PRESTON - $64,000
SANDRINGHAM - $12,000
SPRINGVALE - $60,000
WERRIBEE - $140,000 (looked to open an entertainment centre in 1994 with a bistro, disco and gaming machines to ensure its survival)
WILLIAMSTOWN - $87,000

VFA football manager Martin Stillman quoted as saying that the association was “in a financial nightmare”.


The AFL wouldn't be funding "a new VFA" as it would not sit in their designated elite pathway (grassroots junior football - School / Under 18s football - AFLR - AFL).

Clubs, like they did in the VFA era, would have to raise the revenue to survive with little in the way of media profile. On their current crowds, some of those VFL clubs would be playing in front of crowds that would be lower than a number of premier level metropolitan clubs. Clubs like Vermont, Keilor, Heidelberg, etc. aren't going to surrender their high-up positions in metro footy leagues to join a VFA to be a smaller fish in the pond, travel across town for matches (especially reserves players without a chance of playing seniors, who will see no benefit and choose to change clubs so they can stay local) and also lose the local rivalries that draw large crowds and revenue.

These reasons above are why clubs left the VFA in the 1980s or else folded.

Players with an ambition to play AFL would see this league as a side step or backward step on the path to elite football.
 
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Preston have endorsed Preston Bullants Amateur and Junior Football Clubs as custodians of Preston City Oval while the VFL club goes into recess for next year. It's a great show of unity and a great move to help ensure the shared identity persists next year. Hopefully the move is accepted by Darebin Council and locals will get around the VAFA club next year.
 
AussieNick1999 said:
Preston have endorsed Preston Bullants Amateur and Junior Football Clubs as custodians of Preston City Oval while the VFL club goes into recess for next year. It's a great show of unity and a great move to help ensure the shared identity persists next year. Hopefully the move is accepted by Darebin Council and locals will get around the VAFA club next year.
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Amateur club has some great new facilities , but ground is average
 
MortlockWatcher said:
And it was a contributing factor in the VFA's demise.

All 12 VFA clubs were in debt by a five-figure amount at the start of 1994.

BOX HILL - $140,000 (historical)
COBURG - $160,000
DANDENONG REDLEGS - undisclosed (suffered a downturn in local support after the liquidation stunt it pulled in 1993) FRANKSTON - $40,000 (expected to be debt free by mid-1994)
OAKLEIGH - $210,000
PORT MELBOURNE - around $200,000 (0on the back of recruiting ex-VFL players in the 1980s. With a restricted liquor licence, the Borough was unable to derive income from poker machines)
PRAHRAN - $200,000
PRESTON - $64,000
SANDRINGHAM - $12,000
SPRINGVALE - $60,000
WERRIBEE - $140,000 (looked to open an entertainment centre in 1994 with a bistro, disco and gaming machines to ensure its survival)
WILLIAMSTOWN - $87,000

VFA football manager Martin Stillman quoted as saying that the association was “in a financial nightmare”.


The AFL wouldn't be funding "a new VFA" as it would not sit in their designated elite pathway (grassroots junior football - School / Under 18s football - AFLR - AFL).

Clubs, like they did in the VFA era, would have to raise the revenue to survive with little in the way of media profile. On their current crowds, some of those VFL clubs would be playing in front of crowds that would be lower than a number of premier level metropolitan clubs. Clubs like Vermont, Keilor, Heidelberg, etc. aren't going to surrender their high-up positions in metro footy leagues to join a VFA to be a smaller fish in the pond, travel across town for matches (especially reserves players without a chance of playing seniors, who will see no benefit and choose to change clubs so they can stay local) and also lose the local rivalries that draw large crowds and revenue.

These reasons above are why clubs left the VFA in the 1980s or else folded.

Players with an ambition to play AFL would see this league as a side step or backward step on the path to elite football.
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There will be a Victorian 2nd tier competition IF and when the current the VFL is re designed
 

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Flyingleslieskite said:
How many chargers in recent seasons actually have found themselves at port? Not many.
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The issue is no VFL clubs invest in the CTL. I believe BH use to with Ranges but not any longer. If VFL clubs don’t have resources to drive a CTL integration program it won’t work and u won’t get the junior players. Aligned clubs use CTL players as their 23rd player on occasions but standalone clubs don’t have the same 23rd player rules. The GM at Sandy was the previous talent manager at the dragons so he may have an alignment going. But I reckon Sandy would be the only club.
 
The stand-alones in the VFL/SANFL/WAFL should play their men's league games between Oct-Jan on Friday nights. 15 minute quarters plus time-on to have the games finish in 2 hours. 8 teams in each comp playing home and away. A bye over Xmas. Final 4 done over the final 3 weekends of January.

Gives a chance for those not on an AFL list to make money during winter and summer, whether that be playing as an AFL Reserves top up, country or ammos during winter and state league during summer.

In the SANFL's case, they could still run their junior and women's programs as normal, perhaps with an U21 comp which replaces Reserves, and runs April-June to keep the development pathway through to state league football going.

Some in the SANFL share ovals with cricket. I presume that is the same in the VFL and WAFL. I think that obstacle could be overcome.
 
glengowan said:
The stand-alones in the VFL/SANFL/WAFL should play their men's league games between Oct-Jan on Friday nights. 15 minute quarters plus time-on to have the games finish in 2 hours. 8 teams in each comp playing home and away. A bye over Xmas. Final 4 done over the final 3 weekends of January.

Gives a chance for those not on an AFL list to make money during winter and summer, whether that be playing as an AFL Reserves top up, country or ammos during winter and state league during summer.

In the SANFL's case, they could still run their junior and women's programs as normal, perhaps with an U21 comp which replaces Reserves, and runs April-June to keep the development pathway through to state league football going.

Some in the SANFL share ovals with cricket. I presume that is the same in the VFL and WAFL. I think that obstacle could be overcome.
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I think the only VFL ground that isn't a cricket ground (not counting AFL aligned) is Port.
 
glengowan said:
The stand-alones in the VFL/SANFL/WAFL should play their men's league games between Oct-Jan on Friday nights. 15 minute quarters plus time-on to have the games finish in 2 hours. 8 teams in each comp playing home and away. A bye over Xmas. Final 4 done over the final 3 weekends of January.

Gives a chance for those not on an AFL list to make money during winter and summer, whether that be playing as an AFL Reserves top up, country or ammos during winter and state league during summer.

In the SANFL's case, they could still run their junior and women's programs as normal, perhaps with an U21 comp which replaces Reserves, and runs April-June to keep the development pathway through to state league football going.

Some in the SANFL share ovals with cricket. I presume that is the same in the VFL and WAFL. I think that obstacle could be overcome.
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Whatever your on i don't want any
 

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