List Mgmt. 2025 List Management III 📃

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List Mgmt. - 2025 List Management II 📃

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[ItsAllAboutMe]

I don't think all of Cripps, Hewett and Cerra will be on the list in 1-2 years time. Especially if things go our way.

Hewetts form the last 2 years has arguably hindered us, for us to have a dynamic midfield we probably need it to be without George.. Other clubs have made harsh calls on players like Tom Mitchell, James Worpel, Matt Crouch despite them being good footballers but not fitting the preferred midfield dynamic, perhaps as Jagga comes into the rotation, Walsh & Cerra are fit it will mean that George gets sqeezed, unless he is playing a lockdown role.

 

[JJBagger]

Cerra form the last 2 years has arguably hindered us, for us to have a dynamic midfield we probably need it to be without George.. Ither clubs have made harsh calls on players like Tom Mitchell, James Worpel, Matt Crouch despite them being good footballers but not fitting the preferred midfield dynamic, perhaps as Jagga comes into the rotation, Walsh & Cerra are fit it will mean that George gets sqeezed

How were there harsh calls on Crouvh and Worpel? Crouch was always injured and Worpel left as a free agent

 

[BlueTongue]

I can see us look to trade Cerra at some stage. Cripps and Hewett, we have a bigger bench now so possibly could spend more bench time there.

I would be inclined to have Cripps play more in the forward half of the ground, swap with one of the half forward after the bounce at times.

I want to see Camporeale play games next season and Lord play more.

Lord was better than Cerra last season when he got the opportunity and the team's performance benefitted from that, so that can no be forgotten despite what injuries Cerra may have been carrying.

Cerra out to a wing is another option.

Reality is what we did to our forward line this year, let a player go for some real currency and bring in a whole heap of new faces. The same needs to be down to our midfield at the end of next season.

I would be all in in regards to Butters and I would be going pretty hard at another. We let go of however many we need to of Cripps, Cerra and Hewett and bust this team right open into a modern AFL side with pace, skill and two way run.

I think your opening line is more accurate. He offers nothing that tips the scales in our favor.
A good footballer who excels at nothing. Trade him for needs to another team who needs mid depth.

 

[gbatman]

Surely, a good coach would be salivating at this. Look at the different types, sizes and X factor options we have

McKay - KPF
HOK - KPF
Young - Back up KPF
Kemp - Third tall
Hayward - Third tall
Moir- Taller and mobile fowd. Genuine X factor
Williams - Smart small forward with good marking skills. Midfield minutes
Ainsworth - Smart small forward that can play effective midfield minutes
Motlop - Get fit and genuine X factor small foward that reads ball well
Cottrell - Defensive forward with good skills
Elijah - Talent but........?
McGovern - great mark and kick. Has the talent to win a game
Evans - Revelation late in season. Good skills, tough and kicks goals
Ison - Young but skills and talent are there. Reminds me on Pendles

Cripps - Can play forward and worries defenders. Mark and create space

Tobyn Murray - Goal kicker from Cats being seriously looked at

Mids pushing forward

It's well structured. We will get a better look at it next year and we will know more. You might say O'Keeffe lacks experience and is unproven but I like what I see. It may lack an A grade small forward, watch us have another crack at Humphrey. It's so much better structured. It's the sort of forward line that will flourish if we can move the ball fast and hit our targets.

Voss had plans last year of having Smith forward as well, so he will be a part of that mix.

 

[gbatman]

I think your opening line is more accurate. He offers nothing that tips the scales in our favor.
A good footballer who excels at nothing. Trade him for needs to another team how needs mid depth.

It will take a good player wanting to come to us and Cerra being willing to leave. Another who is on a longer contract than he should be. Cerra is another good player but not an A grade top level player who is on an A graders contract at Carlton.

 

[JJBagger]

It will take a good player wanting to come to us and Cerra being willing to leave. Another who is on a longer contract than he should be. Cerra is another good player but not an A grade top level player who is on an A graders contract at Carlton.

On a long contract on less money. On far from A grade money

 

[marcmurphy3]

I think your opening line is more accurate. He offers nothing that tips the scales in our favor.
A good footballer who excels at nothing. Trade him for needs to another team who needs mid depth.

The frustrating thing with Cerra is he should have a point of difference. Hes meant to be our silky onballer. A balanced mid that damages with his skills. Like Pendlebury. But most weeks his disposal is average to poor.

Since hes joined us his inside work has improved, but his ball use has gone way backwards. Hes not alone either. Could say the same for Walsh over the years. Even Jack Carroll. It's like every mid we recruit stops working on their skills and focuses on being a mini Cripps.

 

[gbatman]

Inferior players or just young?

Jagga Moir Ison Lord Chesser (Walker) would argue have talent but are just young

Many internally see Ollie & Wilson as potential mids. I’m not sure. Will we see revitalised Elijah?

The issue is you are arguing more of the same and what have that achieved? Cripps Hewett Cerra Walsh as a group will not win us a flag.

In what is an obvious reset of our side I would be disappointed if we see the same midfield in 2026

Ollie Hollands returning to the midfield. Sure, I can see him playing wing but it's a hard no for going on the ball. His core strength is not there but mostly, his hands in close under physical pressure are not good enough. I am happy with him at half back and think he should stay there. Wilson is much the same. Wilson is Hollands with a little lesser tank and better kicking, potentially a good winger/flanker.

I actually would like to try Elijah at half back, good distributor, clean and smart. His onball and forward flank work has been good but hasn't blown me away.

Walker, Smith and possibly Ison will elevate our midfield but not for some time. We need to get to the end of 2026 with cap space, draft picks and some good onball talent wanting to come to us and being open to trading some of our current midfielders.

 

[gbatman]

On a long contract on less money. On far from A grade money

Hopefully front loaded.

 

[azlou]

It's well structured. We will get a better look at it next year and we will know more. You might say O'Keeffe lacks experience and is unproven but I like what I see. It may lack an A grade small forward, watch us have another crack at Humphrey. It's so much better structured. It's the sort of forward line that will flourish if we can move the ball fast and hit our targets.

Voss had plans last year of having Smith forward as well, so he will be a part of that mix.

That’s where I see Smith early days forward maybe pushing up to midfield ala Walsh

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

How were there harsh calls on Crouvh and Worpel? Crouch was always injured and Worpel left as a free agent

I meant that they were not regularly selected and spend time playing Sandi and VFL

 

[Big Delut]

I meant that they were not regularly selected and spend time playing Sandi and VFL

When was Worpel not regularly selected?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

On a long contract on less money. On far from A grade money

Exactly, with Cripps, Walsh, Jagga and Cody Cerra is a more than handy 3rd-5th mid.. People need to stop thinking of him as an A grader… but not many clubs have a 3rd or 4th best mid as capable as Cerra.

 

[katmanblue]

The position on the ladder confirms that more than a few of our players are - in fact - Sh1t.

Seems our "supporters" are worse.

 

[sweethoney]

I meant that they were not regularly selected and spend time playing Sandi and VFL

Worpel has played 24 25 and 21 games the last 3 seasons

 

[DangerousD]

When was Worpel not regularly selected?

If Hawthorn rated Worpel, I doubt he would have left

 

[katmanblue]

It's well structured. We will get a better look at it next year and we will know more. You might say O'Keeffe lacks experience and is unproven but I like what I see. It may lack an A grade small forward, watch us have another crack at Humphrey. It's so much better structured. It's the sort of forward line that will flourish if we can move the ball fast and hit our targets.

Voss had plans last year of having Smith forward as well, so he will be a part of that mix.

Until HOK can string a season together we don't know if he can be relied upon play the role. Simply because of lack of availability rather than ability.

 

[TENACIOUS]

It’s funny the consensus throughout the year was we, played players out of position, were slow, lack foot skills and lacked depth.

The push this offseason was to bring in specific players to rectify this. Yet, many posters want the same midfield or want previous best 22 players to play a different roles.

Play the best players in their best positions, if this means former favourites/best 22 players get pushed to the bench or VFL. It’s only a good thing for the club, it creates depth which creates competition. Carlton First…

 

[Soapy V]

Until HOK can string a season together we don't know if he can be relied upon play the role. Simply because of lack of availability rather than ability.

HOK should now be at stage to play regularly. Has been held back and had Hamstring issues. Needs a full pre season and to stay injury free

If he can he should play every week. At worst he competes and now just need the experience. Kid has all the tools and the mental toughness

 

[gbatman]

HOK should now be at stage to play regularly. Has been held back and had Hamstring issues. Needs a full pre season and to stay injury free

If he can he should play every week. At worst he competes and now just need the experience. Kid has all the tools and the mental toughness

The main thing for O'Keeffe is that he can stay injury free but game day his main objective will be that he doesn't allow intercept defenders to take marks.

If he takes the odd mark, kicks a few goals and is a strong target who can bring the ball down and stop intercept defenders as well as compete at ground level a bit then we have a winner here.

Having a lot of targets instead of just two is how the good forward lines are structured and this will make us harder to shut down and not as easy to coach against.

He doesn't have to be Curnow quality, we have McKay for that but he does have to take a few marks, kick a few goals and most importantly give us a long option and negate intercept defenders.

I am confident in his ability.

Good coaching here is key. Our forwards have been badly coached for a long while now and we have been vulnerable to intercept defenders. One key area of our forward coaching is ensuring player know which player is zoned off and setup to intercept the ball and having someone sacrifice their own game and go to that player. This will be a key part of how O'Keeffe fits into our team.

In general play we will be going to other players and the more mobile forward but when the heat is on and we are going up the line it will be he and McKay who stop the interceptors, take marks and give us strong targets.

 

[SurreyBlue]

HOK should now be at stage to play regularly. Has been held back and had Hamstring issues. Needs a full pre season and to stay injury free

If he can he should play every week. At worst he competes and now just need the experience. Kid has all the tools and the mental toughness

Like the sound of this Soap. Hope you’re right. Looks like he has a lot of tools, that’s for sure.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

The main thing for O'Keeffe is that he can stay injury free but game day his main objective will be that he doesn't allow intercept defenders to take marks.

If he takes the odd mark, kicks a few goals and is a strong target who can bring the ball down and stop intercept defenders as well as compete at ground level a bit then we have a winner here.

Having a lot of targets instead of just two is how the good forward lines are structured and this will make us harder to shut down and not as easy to coach against.

He doesn't have to be Curnow quality, we have McKay for that but he does have to take a few marks, kick a few goals and most importantly give us a long option and negate intercept defenders.

I am confident in his ability.

Good coaching here is key. Our forwards have been badly coached for a long while now and we have been vulnerable to intercept defenders. One key area of our forward coaching is ensuring player know which player is zoned off and setup to intercept the ball and having someone sacrifice their own game and go to that player. This will be a key part of how O'Keeffe fits into our team.

In general play we will be going to other players and the more mobile forward but when the heat is on and we are going up the line it will be he and McKay who stop the interceptors, take marks and give us strong targets.

Spot on. That's basically all we did with Curnow this year anyway. We barely ever got to isolate him 1on1 against his opponent. He was doing to mule work of "making a contest" and "bringing to ground for our smalls", which is really not what you need to spend $1m per year on. If HOK steps up and plays this role well, it's a massive win.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Spot on. That's basically all we did with Curnow this year anyway. We barely ever got to isolate him 1on1 against his opponent. He was doing to mule work of "making a contest" and "bringing to ground for our smalls", which is really not what you need to spend $1m per year on. If HOK steps up and plays this role well, it's a massive win.

Not sure that was our planning.

 

[RAPPA]

The frustrating thing with Cerra is he should have a point of difference. Hes meant to be our silky onballer. A balanced mid that damages with his skills. Like Pendlebury. But most weeks his disposal is average to poor.

Since hes joined us his inside work has improved, but his ball use has gone way backwards. Hes not alone either. Could say the same for Walsh over the years. Even Jack Carroll. It's like every mid we recruit stops working on their skills and focuses on being a mini Cripps.

This is the most frustrating bit. We have long prioritised the inside game, but blind Freddy can see that the game has moved past the "Win the clearances / contested ball; win the game".

 

[katmanblue]

HOK should now be at stage to play regularly. Has been held back and had Hamstring issues. Needs a full pre season and to stay injury free

If he can he should play every week. At worst he competes and now just need the experience. Kid has all the tools and the mental toughness

"Should" is doing a power of work there. Whether he can play regularly remains to be seen. I will add that I am hopeful he doesn't but it's far from a given.