Tasmania Team entering 2028. VFL team 2026. Gov has votes to pass Upper House. Official vote 4/12. Job almost done lads - congrats!

[Jack Mundy]

I don't think it's misery, it's literally just face value politics.

I'm old and I want my miserable life to be extended and marginally higher quality with a bit more mainlander dollars spent on my healthcare. There is a reasonable chance I will be dead before the Stadium even is completed.

vs.

I'm a young, working proud Tasmanian who wants to see Tasmania thrive for the rest of my 50+ years living in Tasmania, I'm happy to spend our public debt and my tax dollars into something that we can have cultural pride in, with the added benefit that the stadium will probably improve economic outcomes for all in an intergenerational sense through tourism, events, indirect public health through sports participation, addressing higher education brain drain, etc.

Lol, and stadium will cure disease too

 

[Professor Knowall]

One group might be politically savvy and ask themselves why taxpayers are footing bill for richest sport in country?!

The stadium will be a Gov't owned multi-purpose facility.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Lol, and stadium will cure disease too

It probably won't cure your disease.

 

[Jack Mundy]

The stadium will be a Gov't owned multi-purpose facility.

Lol, most expensive entry fee to join sports league ever.

 

[Jack Mundy]

It probably won't cure your disease.

no personal abuse please

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Lol, and stadium will cure disease too

You're being sarcastic, but you're actually right: the benefits of the stadium and the AFL team are more likely to because it will turbo-charge higher education on the state in the sense of arresting brain-drain and a sense of civic pride in being Tasmanian (there's a not zero chance that cancer is cured by a Tasmanian).

On the other hand, a few extra hospital beds, while obviously not a bad thing, just provides a bit more care for life for old people without structurally changing the Tasmanian economy, and there'll always be a need for more hospital beds in an endless manner unless you actually invest in something that changes the fundamentals of the Tasmanian economy (which a stadium and AFL team and events do).

 

[Professor Knowall]

Lol, most expensive entry fee to join sports league ever.

They got what they wanted - a team of their own - and what will be Hobart's biggest attraction by far. Meanwhile, the Fed Gov't is handing the NRL $640 million to get a team from PNG.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Lol, most expensive entry fee to join sports league ever.

When the stadium is booked you do realise it's the Tasmania government that gets to keep the money, not the AFL, because the Tasmanian government owns the stadium and not the AFL?

The AFL are being entirely generous offering $15 million for a stadium for only the benefit of being considered the primary tenant, but with no actual ownership rights over the stadium.

 

[Jack Mundy]

When the stadium is booked you do realise it's the Tasmania government that gets to keep the money, not the AFL, because the Tasmanian government owns the stadium and not the AFL?

The AFL are being entirely generous offering $15 million for a stadium for only the benefit of being considered the primary tenant, but with no actual ownership rights over the stadium.

Tassie government still needs to find the other billion(s)

 

[Jack Mundy]

You're being sarcastic, but you're actually right: the benefits of the stadium and the AFL team are more likely to because it will turbo-charge higher education on the state in the sense of arresting brain-drain and a sense of civic pride in being Tasmanian (there's a not zero chance that cancer is cured by a Tasmanian).

On the other hand, a few extra hospital beds, while obviously not a bad thing, just provides a bit more care for life for old people without structurally changing the Tasmanian economy, and there'll always be a need for more hospital beds in an endless manner unless you actually invest in something that changes the fundamentals of the Tasmanian economy (which a stadium and AFL team and events do).

7 AFL games a year will cure cancer and reduce need for hospital beds?! That's not me being sarcastic, that's literally summarising your post.

 

[kalex6251]

no personal abuse please

you could aid your cause by not making smart-ar$e comments that prompt said 'abuse'

 

[Professor Knowall]

Tassie government still needs to find the other billion(s)

The Federal Govt is covering a quarter of the billion dollar cost.

 

[Professor Knowall]

7 AFL games a year will cure cancer and reduce need for hospital beds?! That's not me being sarcastic, that's literally summarising your post.

You literally need to look up the meaning of the word "literally" ... and improve your comprehension skills.

 

[T2B_]

no personal abuse please

Make some posts worthy of not receiving ridicule, and you'll fare better

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

One group might be politically savvy and ask themselves why taxpayers are footing bill for richest sport in country?!

Because to get a team they have to have the stadium.
Hate that all you want but at the end of the day that’s the reality. It’s irrelevant how and why that’s the case, they are still being imo selfish and miserable trying to stop something that will benefit the younger generation.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Because to get a team they have to have the stadium.
Hate that all you want but at the end of the day that’s the reality. It’s irrelevant how and why that’s the case, they are still being imo selfish and miserable trying to stop something that will benefit the younger generation.

Studies say it'll lose money. Great benefit.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Make some posts worthy of not receiving ridicule, and you'll fare better

I think small state government spending over a $billion on 23k seat arena is crazy. They'll never be a return on that investment. Studies back that up. Address that.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Tasmanians want the stadium. There was a telling difference in the vast disparity between the anti and pro-stadium rallies held over the past 2 weekends. Not only was the anti stadium rally overwhelmingly attended by an elderly crowd, devoid of children, parent and indeed pretty much anyone under pensionable age, but the turnout was so poor that the attendees were told at the start to "spread out to make the crowd look better" -

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Compare that to the pro-stadium rally which attracted a crowd 10 times larger, despite all the rain and which packed out the whole park - there was no room to spread out, with the overflow having to gather down at the water-front. And there were thousands of mums, dads and kids, which were entirely absent from the aged old hippies of the anti-brigade -

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[Professor Knowall]

I think small state government spending over a $billion on 23k seat arena is crazy. They'll never be a return on that investment. Studies back that up. Address that.

The Federal Gov't are paying a quarter of it.

 

[T2B_]

I think small state government spending over a $billion on 23k seat arena is crazy. They'll never be a return on that investment. Studies back that up. Address that.

Long term it will be well worth it. This is gonna happen, whether you like it or not.

 

[Truetiger]

Long term it will be well worth it. This is gonna happen, whether you like it or not.

surely we have the numbers will pass this week.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

7 AFL games a year will cure cancer and reduce need for hospital beds?! That's not me being sarcastic, that's literally summarising your post.

Did you miss the part that unless you invest in something, the need for more hospital beds (that will need to be funded from the mainland or by taking up debt) will be ever endless. There will always be a need for more hospital in Tasmania, it's a never ending problem. If you build more hospitals, you'll just need to build another, and another, and another (relative to the mainland), because Tasmania's population is aging more to the mainland. In 2011 17.3% of its population was 65 or older, compared to 14% for all of Australia. In 2021 it's 19.9% in Tasmania and 15.4% in the whole of Australia.

Yet you actually need to give young people a reason to want to go to and stay in Tasmania, you know, to actually have a balanced economy and work in the hospitals you want to build and have payroll taxes as they're, you know, not retired, in order to have a functioning economy. And maybe one of those young people who stays in Tasmania will cure cancer.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Tassie government still needs to find the other billion(s)

Good thing they'll have an asset that they can rent out for million(s) to make it "found".

 

[Jack Mundy]

Good thing they'll have an asset that they can rent out for million(s) to make it "found".

Reports say they get back 53 cents for every dollar they spent and state will go deeper into debt

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I think small state government spending over a $billion on 23k seat arena is crazy. They'll never be a return on that investment. Studies back that up. Address that.

Is there anything you can invest in Tasmania that will see a positive return on investment though.

If you ran the same economic modelling that has been run on the stadium through any investment project, it would show a negative return for anything, because Tasmania is a failing state where half the kids don't finish high school, is full of cranky retirees that only want money to prolong their miserable lives rather than leave behind a better future for their state after they're dead, and the tourism that Tasmania gets is essentially a bunch of naked weirdos who run in a river (which naturally has a ceiling in its appeal) rather than the mass market appeal of the most popular sports competition in the nation and other events such as major concerts.

If we accept that we have to make some investment in Tasmania though, the obligation is on you to come up with an idea that structurally changes Tasmania's demographics and economy, as opposed to just screaming "healthcare! hospitals!" as if it's a solution for planning for the future of Tasmania.