Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[Peter Doherty]

I think it’s been a fairytale for years that The Who’s who of adelaide were involved everyone from radio personalities, to weather woman and even co-workers of rob kelvin! But none substantiated

Where did I say that?

 

[Butters and Pepper]

I think it’s been a fairytale for years that The Who’s who of adelaide were involved everyone from radio personalities, to weather woman and even co-workers of rob kelvin! But none substantiated

I'm not sure if that post is completely in jest, or whether the "weather woman" part is based on something you had read/heard?

 

[dc3]

I'm not sure if that post is completely in jest, or whether the "weather woman" part is based on something you had read/heard?

Heard from a few but won’t name names
Because I don’t believe it to be true but the point is we have all heard all sorts of names

 

[dc3]

This thread, over 200 pages, doesn't name all the people that are speculated as being members of The Family.

There are other names out there, roughly how many more? The names the books and shows didn't touch.

You insinuated it here

 

[Peter Doherty]

You insinuated it here

No, I didn't. You interpreted it like that, that's out of my control.

 

[dc3]

I'm convinced BVE saw members of the police force throw Dr Duncan into the Torrens and that's why he gets special treatment in jail. Mr. R. must also have dirt on someone influential still alive to escape conviction all these years. Some of those involved in the murders/sexual assaults must be either members of law enforcement or influential in society, as has always been rumored. It's the only thing that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why BVE still remains silent when he's got nothing to lose. Is he that narcissistic and delusional as to go to his grave proclaiming his innocence rather than name people he knows to be equally as guilty as himself. I think he is.

Im not as convinced

It’s not what you know it’s what you can prove

 

[Butters and Pepper]

I'm convinced BVE saw members of the police force throw Dr Duncan into the Torrens and that's why he gets special treatment in jail. Mr. R. must also have dirt on someone influential still alive to escape conviction all these years. Some of those involved in the murders/sexual assaults must be either members of law enforcement or influential in society, as has always been rumored. It's the only thing that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why BVE still remains silent when he's got nothing to lose. Is he that narcissistic and delusional as to go to his grave proclaiming his innocence rather than name people he knows to be equally as guilty as himself. I think he is.

I had wondered about the BVE prefential treatment in jail, and had recently thought it was probably just a matter of positive behaviour management, ie.give him an incentive to do the right thing so he doesn't go putting bodily fluids in meals served to other prisoners.

 

[skygem]

What got me, since I cannot find it again,
Was mr b was to of said, bve met Mr r whilst ab was in the car, and Mr b discontinued "Saying he did not like Mr R"
So he preferred BVE
Was Mr R even more involved than we think.

 

[Macka_321]

I'm convinced BVE saw members of the police force throw Dr Duncan into the Torrens and that's why he gets special treatment in jail. Mr. R. must also have dirt on someone influential still alive to escape conviction all these years. Some of those involved in the murders/sexual assaults must be either members of law enforcement or influential in society, as has always been rumored. It's the only thing that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why BVE still remains silent when he's got nothing to lose. Is he that narcissistic and delusional as to go to his grave proclaiming his innocence rather than name people he knows to be equally as guilty as himself. I think he is.

They’d all have something on each other. We don’t know if he said anything to MC likely he said nothing but you never know we will never know unless they come out and make an announcement.

 

[Noond]

 

[AdelaideGT]

Stupid talk.

 

[theredrooster]

Yo, 60 Minutes… if you’re reading this, everything you need to launch a major investigation is in these 204 pages — every name, every player, every very-likely scenario. Take it public, dig deeper and deeper, bring out more witnesses, don't get hamstrung by Mr R's legal posturing and get it solved.

 

[Zebo]

In terms of getting convictions I think that’s not going to happen now. The suppression orders on the names definitely has to be lifted which the government have the power to do if they really wanted.

What would revoking suppression orders achieve?

 

[theredrooster]

Is this person referenced anywhere in this thread, that we know of?

 

[northernsoul]

Has anyone read ClarityInChaos book? be good to hear a discussion around her theories. Lots to unpack.

 

[theredrooster]

I think it’s important to gather everything that has been reported or discussed about the individual known as ‘Clocker.’

In the late ’70s and early ’80s, he is described as having worked as an assistant at Mr. R’s store — possibly the origin of the nickname ‘Clocker’ — and may also have served as his personal assistant (and possibly more). His name has also been mentioned in relation to the lease on the apartment associated with Mr. R, BVE, and Denis St. Denis, which has been alleged to have been used for harmful purposes.

There have also been suggestions that he acted as a ‘sweeper,’ bringing young boys and men into their circle.

What else do we know — or what additional credible information exists? Let’s lay it all out here so the full picture becomes easier to trace for the media.

Testimony from ‘Clocker,’ along with potential corroboration from Lewis Turtur — who appears willing to speak— could be key pieces in substantiating the allegations against Mr. R, particularly those involving kidnapping, rape and assault.

Go ...

 

[Wombat64]

Well yes, Clocker ** was Mr. R’s assistant and would likely have known many details from that time. One of the rental “play pen” apartments was reportedly listed in his name. If that’s true, it raises the question of why he wouldn’t come forward now—especially with a $1,000,000 incentive—regarding someone he worked for more than four decades ago.

Perhaps he already has & the information he provided is insufficient for the laying of charges. Alternately he may not was to implicate himself.

possibly not be safe from repercussions

From who?

I'm convinced BVE saw members of the police force throw Dr Duncan into the Torrens and that's why he gets special treatment in jail.

Duncan drowned over 53 years ago. Anyone with any alleged influence is either long retired or dead.

Mr. R. must also have dirt on someone influential still alive to escape conviction all these years. Some of those involved in the murders/sexual assaults must be either members of law enforcement or influential in society, as has always been rumored

If it is a rumour it must be factual. DR could have been more careful or just plain lucky. Von Einem stuffed up & that was why he got caught. It has been over 40 years so anyone senior enough to have any real influence has long retired & is probably dead. The police do their job to the best of their ability but that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes.

What doesn't make sense is why BVE still remains silent when he's got nothing to lose.

I believe you have answered your own question. It would have dawned on him some time ago that he was never getting out. There is a possibility he didn't want to get out as he was safer & better looked after in prison. If he had come clean & told the cops everything there was nothing for him to gain. It would have been confirmed he was never getting out & in all probability he would have been in danger from other prisoners for co-operating with the Police.

Here is something for all you conspiracy theorists out there. Von Einem was arrested 42 years ago. How many people have been in gaol for that long for a single murder?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

From who?

turning informant is obviously risky based on Mr B's talk of his fear of Mr R. Although obviously that didn't end up with him dead so maybe there isn't a massive risk if someone was to spill the beans.

 

[Wooden Robot]

turning informant is obviously risky based on Mr B's talk of his fear of Mr R. Although obviously that didn't end up with him dead so maybe there isn't a massive risk if someone was to spill the beans.

The problem with Mr B is multiple previous contradicting statements.
He could spill everything he knows tomorrow, but would either be liable to do a complete backflip the next day, or at the very least little to no one would believe him because of his past countering.
It's almost as if his contradictions were deliberate to sabotage proceedings.

 

[northernsoul]

End of an old VHS tape...report about B's testimony about BSVE's involvement with Beaumont Children.

 

[theredrooster]

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End of an old VHS tape...report about B's testimony about BSVE's involvement with Beaumont Children.

Well, that image strongly suggests that the person in the black shirt with long blond hair in the newly released 1988 60 Minutes segment is Mr. B.

 

[Kind18]

The recent movement of BVE to Yatala and his imminent death seems to have woken this case again.

I wasn’t even born when it occurred. All I know comes what I’ve read here for many hours late at night, Wikipedia and several other sites.

1. I reckon Mr R would have to be shitting bricks right now. He must be worried. And I’m sure he visits here and reads this site.
2. Simple psychology suggests BVE is not going to spill. He went from essentially a criminal ring leader to a prison rat. Zero power, zero choice, zero control. The ONLY power he holds now is the ability to deny knowledge and closure for victims and families. I doubt he would relinquish the only power he has.
3. There have been recent reports that detectives and video equipment have been seen coming and going at Yatala since BVE arrived. Have any media outlets pushed SAPOL for more information? Are they pushing him to finally solve these cases?
4. The most staggering aspect to me is that so many perpetrators were involved to various degrees, but the secrets have remained locked up. Humans are generally shit at keeping quiet in big groups - especially for 40+ years and with two case re-openings.
5. I find it strange BVE was happy to stay silent in prison for the rest of his life while his mates were free. It’s bizarre.
6. I think it’s fairly clearly Mr B and LT must have had concrete immunity deals before talking. They haven’t been touched despite admitting to some terrible stuff.
7. This leaves Mr R. As they say on Shawshank Redemption - he seems to have swum through a river of shit and come out clean on the other side.
8. I spoke to my parents about The Family murders recently. They recalled how news reports at the time said that in and around the days of RKs murder, BVE had supposedly been going to harp society rehearsals in the CBD. His harp was his prized possession.
9. BVE seemed to get VERY well looked after on the inside. Even got to bring his special harp to jail and keep it in his cell. Incredibly strange leniency given the nature of the crimes and zero remorse.

I'm convinced BVE saw members of the police force throw Dr Duncan into the Torrens and that's why he gets special treatment in jail. Mr. R. must also have dirt on someone influential still alive to escape conviction all these years. Some of those involved in the murders/sexual assaults must be either members of law enforcement or influential in society, as has always been rumored. It's the only thing that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why BVE still remains silent when he's got nothing to lose. Is he that narcissistic and delusional as to go to his grave proclaiming his innocence rather than name people he knows to be equally as guilty as himself. I think he is.

I agree with you. In fact, I would hazard a guess BVE and Mr R were both there and witnessed Duncan’s death. I expect they bolted, and then BVE collected his car and drove along the northern side of the river to check out the aftermath. That’s when Roger James comes clambering up with a broken leg and BVE takes him to hospital.

It would explain so much:

• Why the police investigation into Duncan was such a cover up - they had witnesses to “manage”
• Why (after initial reports about BVE) the police were so slow to act
• Why even with Mr B’s statement, they were slow to arrest BVE
• Why Mr R was left alone.

RK was a high profile victim. I believe the only reason BVE didn’t get away with it was because of the severe media attention. The public outrage, plus Mr B’s statement meant the police were practically obligated to arrest him. And they only just got a conviction by the skin of their teeth with the carpet fibres.

That meant BVE could be the scape goat and was thrown to the media wolves.

Mr R potentially being a witness to who killed Duncan would also explain why Mr R got his perpetual identity suppression. In my mind, the price of keeping the identity of the Duncan police murderers under wraps - was giving Mr R a get out of jail free card and protecting him and his rich mates.

 

[NSWCROW]

I reckon Mr R would have to be shitting bricks right now. He must be worried. And I’m sure he visits here and reads this site.

He might've been the one who accused me of being sapol in a pm a few years ago.


I can't remember what exactly set him off, think it had to do with the " radio personality "

A radio personality who notably wasn't the one who recently died.

 

[northernsoul]

The recent movement of BVE to Yatala and his imminent death seems to have woken this case again.

I wasn’t even born when it occurred. All I know comes what I’ve read here for many hours late at night, Wikipedia and several other sites.

1. I reckon Mr R would have to be shitting bricks right now. He must be worried. And I’m sure he visits here and reads this site.
2. Simple psychology suggests BVE is not going to spill. He went from essentially a criminal ring leader to a prison rat. Zero power, zero choice, zero control. The ONLY power he holds now is the ability to deny knowledge and closure for victims and families. I doubt he would relinquish the only power he has.
3. There have been recent reports that detectives and video equipment have been seen coming and going at Yatala since BVE arrived. Have any media outlets pushed SAPOL for more information? Are they pushing him to finally solve these cases?
4. The most staggering aspect to me is that so many perpetrators were involved to various degrees, but the secrets have remained locked up. Humans are generally shit at keeping quiet in big groups - especially for 40+ years and with two case re-openings.
5. I find it strange BVE was happy to stay silent in prison for the rest of his life while his mates were free. It’s bizarre.
6. I think it’s fairly clearly Mr B and LT must have had concrete immunity deals before talking. They haven’t been touched despite admitting to some terrible stuff.
7. This leaves Mr R. As they say on Shawshank Redemption - he seems to have swum through a river of shit and come out clean on the other side.
8. I spoke to my parents about The Family murders recently. They recalled how news reports at the time said that in and around the days of RKs murder, BVE had supposedly been going to harp society rehearsals in the CBD. His harp was his prized possession.
9. BVE seemed to get VERY well looked after on the inside. Even got to bring his special harp to jail and keep it in his cell. Incredibly strange leniency given the nature of the crimes and zero remorse.

I agree with you. In fact, I would hazard a guess BVE and Mr R were both there and witnessed Duncan’s death. I expect they bolted, and then BVE collected his car and drove along the northern side of the river to check out the aftermath. That’s when Roger James comes clambering up with a broken leg and BVE takes him to hospital.

It would explain so much:

• Why the police investigation into Duncan was such a cover up - they had witnesses to “manage”
• Why (after initial reports about BVE) the police were so slow to act
• Why even with Mr B’s statement, they were slow to arrest BVE
• Why Mr R was left alone.

RK was a high profile victim. I believe the only reason BVE didn’t get away with it was because of the severe media attention. The public outrage, plus Mr B’s statement meant the police were practically obligated to arrest him. And they only just got a conviction by the skin of their teeth with the carpet fibres.

That meant BVE could be the scape goat and was thrown to the media wolves.

Mr R potentially being a witness to who killed Duncan would also explain why Mr R got his perpetual identity suppression. In my mind, the price of keeping the identity of the Duncan police murderers under wraps - was giving Mr R a get out of jail free card and protecting him and his rich mates.

I must say I don't buy any of these conspiracy theories about Police Protection - they make no sense at all. Why would police 50 years later be protecting three bent cops they didn't know. How on earth would an entire police force maintain a cover up for decades - it's next to impossible. Roger James didn't see their faces and couldn't testify as such. BSVE didn't see them - he drove past after the fact and we have no idea if R was there (he wasn't). This is all conjecture. We have to stick to the facts - other wise we drown in theories.

 

[Wombat64]

other wise we drown in theories.

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