Cricket Discussion - Part 3

[240volt]

I got to give Stokes some credit as he gives it 100%.
Compare him to that pillow hugging Archer.
Stokes must get so pissed off with Archer’s have arsed efforts.

 

[philreich]

Time for a whinge - SA finally has a bit of momentum with the red ball, but our next Shield game doesn't happen until February 5. I know the Big Bash has to happen: doesn't mean I'm happy about it.

 

[raptalia]

England: Tony Greig, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith, Adam & Ben Hollioake, Geraint Jones, Graeme Hick, Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott

Australia: Kepler Wessels

We should’ve offered meat pies for life to Andy Flower

Former England captain Sir Andrew Strauss was also born in South Africa. No one really knows why Strauss received a knighthood but he did.

 

[raman]

England: Tony Greig, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith, Adam & Ben Hollioake, Geraint Jones, Graeme Hick, Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott

Australia: Kepler Wessels

We should’ve offered meat pies for life to Andy Flower

Australia: officially slightly less racist than England

 

[crafty_bernardo]

 

[philreich]

Please give us an update after Australia wins 5-0.

 

[raptalia]

Selection for Adelaide will be interesting. The selectors will probabbly have Cummins available and Lyon back in the side so who will make way?

i am not a great Pat Cummins fan. I think Steve Smith is a better Captain and i could live with an attack of Starc, Boland and Neser with Lyon as the spinner. That won't happen of course as Cummins will return and Michael Neser, despite his 5 wickets in the England second innings, will make way.

 

[1954]

I got to give Stokes some credit as he gives it 100%.
Compare him to that pillow hugging Archer.
Stokes must get so pissed off with Archer’s have arsed efforts.

Agreed re Stokes, as a player he gives his all plus he comes across as being a genuinely top bloke.

I suspect he has been instructed by the MCC to continually pussy kiss that prima donna Archer due to concerns he will pull the pin on test cricket and instead take the much easier option of bowling a max of 4 overs in the various T20 comps, but no Aussie captain I can think of would put up with a bowler who only tries when he feels like it and puts the cue in the rack as soon as the shine is off the ball or when he can't get any assistance from the pitch.

Archer's bowling in the 2nd innings of the Perth test was absolute rubbish and Stokes appeared to give up on him when he sent him to fine leg well before the game was over, where IMO he had a sulk and showed little interest in what was happening for the rest of the game.

He also started the in your face stuff against Smith when he attempted a ramp shot but didn't make contact, which obviously fired Smith up, so he smacked Archer's next two balls for 4 and 6 and then gave him the very apt `CHAM-PION' comment!

The key to the bloke's character (or lack there of) was when the Aussies had iced the game and Archer couldn't make eye contact with Smith during the after game hand shake, and I saw comments describing that as being akin to a dog skulking off with its tail between its legs, brutal but arguably deserved.

Re any future `brutal comments,' I suspect both the Adelaide and MCG test crowds will be ready to give Archer plenty particularly the boxing day crowd after a couple of sherberts, and if that happens I suspect the pommy press will go full on and describe him as a victim of those vicious Aussie crowds!

 

[philreich]

Selection for Adelaide will be interesting. The selectors will probabbly have Cummins available and Lyon back in the side so who will make way?

i am not a great Pat Cummins fan. I think Steve Smith is a better Captain and i could live with an attack of Starc, Boland and Neser with Lyon as the spinner. That won't happen of course as Cummins will return and Michael Neser, despite his 5 wickets in the England second innings, will make way.

Nah Cummins is easily in our best 11 when fit. He's employed some strange tactics at times as captain, but he's a world class bowler, who can also contribute vital runs in the lower order. Without him in the First Test in England in 2023, we wouldn't have won the game, and the Ashes may very well have changed hands.

 

[Sunshine81]

Nah Cummins is easily in our best 11 when fit. He's employed some strange tactics at times as captain, but he's a world class bowler, who can also contribute vital runs in the lower order. Without him in the First Test in England in 2023, we wouldn't have won the game, and the Ashes may very well have changed hands.

Yeah Cummins does the hard yards and breaks partnerships. It might take a test or two for him to hit his stride, as was the case last year. Cummins is a better leader, Smith a better tactician.

 

[Grave Danger]

@grok - Is Adelaide a pink baller as well, or back to daytime red this time?

Short answer pls.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Adelaide is a day test

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Hazlewood ruled out for the rest of the Ashes summer

 

[philreich]

Adelaide is a day test

10am start time.

 

[raptalia]

Hazlewood ruled out for the rest of the Ashes summer

No surprise there. The original diagnosis was not flash. Australia's pace bowling stocks can cover.

 

[tribey]

Australia: officially slightly less racist than England

Doggett joining Boland and Gillespie in wearing the Baggy Green now means that just as many indigenous Australians have represented their country in Test Cricket as indigenous Englishmen have theirs.

Maybe.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Mark Wood’s Ashes tour is over due to problems with his left knee handing England another blow as they try to plot their way back from 2-0 down against Australia.

 

[raptalia]

Doggett joining Boland and Gillespie in wearing the Baggy Green now means that just as many indigenous Australians have represented their country in Test Cricket as indigenous Englishmen have theirs.

Maybe.

An Aboriginal team toured England in 1868. They were coached by T.W. Wills the man who is credited with the development of Australian Rules. The team played 57 matches in England winning 14 and losing 14 games the remainder were drawn. The team comprised Mullagh, Cuzens, Dick-a-Dick, Tiger, Twopenny, Jim Crow, Red Cap, Bullocky, Mosquito, Dumas, King Cole, Sundown and Peter. The team was captained by Charles Lawrence who was non Aboriginal.

One team member King Cole died on tour and there is some confusion about identity in some games as on the score cards Dumas is often listed as Charley or Charlie.

Test cricket started in 1877 so this tour preceded Tests by a decade.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Sport at night yea such a weird concept..

You haven't answered the basic question. What are you scared of? That you answer will be that pink ball tests are a gimmick?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

What a ****wit.

The only time the Ashes have been won from 0-2 down position was when Bradman was captain for the first time in 1936-37 and made 270 in the 2nd innings of the 3rd test to win by 365 runs. Bradman then proceeds to make 26 and 212 and Oz win by 148 runs in the 4th test and then 169 and DNB and Oz wins by an innings and 200 runs in the 5th test.

Ben Stokes is no Don Bradman.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The poms should have had a consistent plan for Oz's top 4 who have been piss poor in the 18 tests in between ashes series in England in 2023 and this one.

I set Statsguru at all batsmen who have batted 1-4 between 01 August 2023 ( day after 5th test at Oval in 2023) and 20 November 2025 (day before this series started) and you can see how piss poor they have been and the lower order and bowlers have won the games apart from batting paradises in Sri Lanka in 2 tests in February this year where Oz batting dominated to help produce 2 huge wins.

In Sri Lanka, Khawaja made 232, 36 and 27 not out opening, Smith made 141 and 131 in his only 2 innings. (Inglis made 102 at #5 in 1st test and Carey made 156 at #5 in the 2nd test).

Oz has dominated the 6 series in between Ashes battles.
2023-24 V PAK in Oz won 3-0 ........... Warner's fair well tour produced one big score of 164. 5 other innings for 135 runs.
2023-24 V WI in Oz 1-1 series draw
2023-24 V NZ in NZ won 2-0
2024-25 v IND in Oz won 3-1-1 draw at the Gabba as lost nearly all of first day's play.
2024-25 V SRI in SRI won 2-0
2025.... V SAF at Lord's for World Test Championship - lost the game
2025.... V WI in WI - won 3-0

So P 18 W 14 L 3 D 1 and the top 4 produced the following:



The Top 4 this series so far:

 

[philreich]

What a ****wit.

The only time the Ashes have been won from 0-2 down position was when Bradman was captain for the first time in 1936-37 and made 270 in the 2nd innings of the 3rd test to win by 365 runs. Bradman then proceeds to make 26 and 212 and Oz win by 148 runs in the 4th test and then 169 and DNB and Oz wins by an innings and 200 runs in the 5th test.

Ben Stokes is no Don Bradman.

They haven't won a single Test in this country for 14 years, and suddenly they have to win 3 straight. I'd say there's more chance of Kamala Harris making love to Donald Trump.

 

[JimmyBC]

You haven't answered the basic question. What are you scared of? That you answer will be that pink ball tests are a gimmick?

I like night cricket is all night sport a gimmick?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I like night cricket is all night sport a gimmick?

Pink ball is a gimmick. White ball was introduced for an effective new sport to be played at night.