Current WAR CRIMES Israel Hamas Conflict Pt 2 - ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant * Warrant for Deif is cancelled

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

The ICC has also issued warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant. The warrant for Deif was cancelled on confirmation of his death.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”. CANCELLED POST-DEATH.

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[Zidane98]

Well, you have previously claimed that Israel is not an apartheid state, for example. And that post was after the 19 July 2024 ICJ Advisory Opinion.

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That wasn't the claim from what I recall.

Israel's actions in occupied territory amounts to apartheid.

Israel itself proper is not an apartheid state, that's pretty clear to most people who are reasonable.

 

[Zidane98]

Perhaps you misread. I said they don’t control the media.

It must be noted that you've never had an issue with Qatar buying US universities or your favourite sources Quds news networks / Al Jazeera that you are well known for in this thread.

 

[Zidane98]

Countries over the world are beginning to withdraw support for UNRWA as well, on my reading.

Francesca Albanese's under sanctions impacting her ability to do anything at all and I've noticed she's not as welcome at the podium as she once was.

Has to be noted that Israel freely cooperates with many other UN aid agencies for delivery of aid within Gaza.

It's not looking good for UNRWA right now but the question must be asked - why can they not be absorbed into other existing UN aid structures / agencies?

 

[faible]

The rest of the world looks to me like they might be falling in line and there's not a thing anybody can do about it.

It was already over by October 8th 2023, since then there's been two years of something worse than hell for the realisation.

It is obviously very important that the nation state committing war crimes gets to dictate exactly what and how another nation state and people are able to participate in the world and live their own lives.

 

[Kurve]

It is obviously very important that the nation state committing war crimes gets to dictate exactly what and how another nation state and people are able to participate in the world and live their own lives.

No, yet it appears to be happening and it isn't just Israel which is what this stream of discussion is about.

 

[faible]

it isn't just Israel

Israel is the one telling the world what the Palestinians have to do in order to have a state or the IDF simply won't leave Gaza. Whilst committing war crimes against those people. Plus the multi-decade occupation thing anyway.

Netanyahu has openly said there won't be a Palestinian state.

I'm not sure this 'stream of discussion' is anything more than the usual Jazny trolling. But sure.

 

[Kurve]

Israel is the one telling the world what the Palestinians have to do in order to have a state or the IDF simply won't leave Gaza. Whilst committing war crimes against those people. Plus the multi-decade occupation thing anyway.

Netanyahu has openly said there won't be a Palestinian state.

I'm not sure this 'stream of discussion' is anything more than the usual Jazny trolling. But sure.

What?

We were talking about the wave against UNRWA and Albanese.

 

[faible]

What?

We were talking about the wave against UNRWA and Albanese.

I was definitely not referring to the extremely high-quality contributions like the below when I said 'circle work'.

Yeah but at least they don’t control the media!

Who is "they"?

Israel

So the Arab-Israelis too? Or just the Jewish Israelis? How does this control work?

Can I just take a moment bow to my Israeli overlords, a country of 9 million manages to control the entire world media without anyone but a few groypers and tankies online noticing. Just incredible

Perhaps you misread. I said they don’t control the media.

What did you mean by this?
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Zidane was trying to police what media sources were deemed appropriate

Trying is probably the key word there Jazny - Zidane does not control the media.

How is that peak Zionism?

The quality of hasbara has gone downhill since then.

 

[Kurve]

I was definitely not referring to the extremely high-quality contributions like the below when I said 'circle work'.

I didn't respond to that stand alone "circle work" troll post and I wasn't engaging with Jazny or Ghost. We were discussing something else.

 

[Jazny]

I didn't respond to that stand alone troll post and I wasn't engaging with Jazny or Ghost.

Can we just auto delete any reference to Zionists/Israel etc controlling the media? Unless it comes with something substantive, because I will always call out anything that appears to lean into antisemitic or Islamophobic tropes.

 

[Kurve]

Can we just auto delete any reference to Zionists/Israel etc controlling the media? Unless it comes with something substantive, because I will always call out anything that appears to lean into antisemitic or Islamophobic tropes.

Zionists/Israel don't control the media. It should be plain to all, they lost that war.

 

[Zidane98]

"Hamas leader Khaled Mashal: 51% of young Americans support Hamas; we can hide our weapons but will not surrender them; an international force can be deployed on the border but not inside Gaza; Israel will come to an end."


This is basically a declaration that Hamas and allies still desire the annihilation of Jews and / or Israel and are not going to meet the obligations of the international stablisation force security resolution.


It is clear the people of Gaza need saving both from Hamas and IDF.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Can we just auto delete any reference to Zionists/Israel etc controlling the media? Unless it comes with something substantive, because I will always call out anything that appears to lean into antisemitic or Islamophobic tropes.

Israel don't control the media, I have told you that a few times now. Perhaps you have been misreading what I have been saying.
But there is evidence to suggest that they somewhat control US policy in regards to the Middle East.

Do you think Donald Trump has some control over large parts of the mainstream media ecosystem?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I must admit, I did chuckle at Jazny's suggestion to censor social media.

 

[Jazny]

Israel don't control the media, I have told you that a few times now.

I don't know GP, forgive me if I took your comment for sarcasm when you constantly go on about junket journalism and have said to me previously "The news you consume is sponsored and approved by Israeli lobbyists". But I will take your word for it that it wasn't sarcasm. We can move on.

But there is evidence to suggest that they somewhat control US policy in regards to the Middle East.

Israel, if anything, has been dictated to by the US, which is a bit of a good thing in some ways (Biden adminstration pressuring Israel to allow aid in early in the war) and a bad thing in other ways (like when Trump encouraged plans to relocate the Palestinian population). The US and Israel are allies so they share certain goals and do things that are mutually beneficial, but I think Israel knows they need to be staying on the good side of the US and not so much the other way around.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I don't know GP, forgive me if I took your comment for sarcasm when you constantly go on about junket journalism and have said to me previously "The news you consume is sponsored and approved by Israeli lobbyists". But I will take your word for it that it wasn't sarcasm. We can move on.

Israel, if anything, has been dictated to by the US, which is a bit of a good thing in some ways (Biden adminstration pressuring Israel to allow aid in early in the war) and a bad thing in other ways (like when Trump encouraged plans to relocate the Palestinian population). The US and Israel are allies so they share certain goals and do things that are mutually beneficial, but I think Israel knows they need to be staying on the good side of the US and not so much the other way around.

US supply most of the weapons, sure. But they don't make Israel use them.

Pretty sure that's Bibi's forte.

 

[faible]

US supply most of the weapons, sure. But they don't make Israel use them.

Pretty sure that's Bibi's forte.

I think the Israeli government does a lot of things the US might prefer they didn't, but they know that ultimately the US won't just walk away.

Instead they'll sail an aircraft carrier in to protect them because Israel suits their geopolitical aims in the region and they're indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians, along with a lot of other nations in the region.

You could see when Israel hit Qatar that suddenly the US wasn't happy and made Netanyahu apologise. But Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Iran and Yemen doesn't seem to worry the US enough to get involved.

The US got involved with Israel blocking aid because - from memory - the US was starting to get implicated in their supply of weapons used to starve and kill Palestinian civilians.

Media reporting is also very skewed, the way things are reported matters. There's plenty of non-antisemitic discussion about how this works, but the whole 'lel urantisemitic jewish world domination conspiracy' rubbish simply avoids this. Israel is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity on a massive scale, they've run a multi-decade occupation, they're still starving civilians, they're under investigation for genocide and have bombed most of their neighbours. Very few non-western nations would receive the same level of 'this is unfortunate but necessary' bias in their reporting when doing these things.

Bias hiding in plain sight: Decades of analyses suggest US media skews anti-Palestinian

How the media talks about suffering on one side compared with the other can often reveal bias in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict coverage, writes a scholar of media bias and the Arab world.

theconversation.com

Media coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jazny]

Media reporting is also very skewed, the way things are reported matters. There's plenty of non-antisemitic discussion about how this works, but the whole 'lel urantisemitic jewish world domination conspiracy' rubbish simply avoids this.

Proceeds to link an article that doesn't explain how it works at all, the article just argued that bias exists, and certainly didn't argue that the biases identified in Western media is due to Israel, zionists or Jews controlling the media.

Here's a challenge for you that you will instantly fail and just say something stupid instead. Can you show one instance of where someone said something like "there is bias in the media against Palestinians" and I called them an antisemite based on that?

I liked the conclusion:


Kind of hard to portray someone taunting teenage girls and suicide bombing them, or blowing themselves up on buses full of civilians as a hero resisting occupation during the second intifada, so I am not really surprised that western outlets tended not to do that.

 

[Deliverance]

I think the Israeli government does a lot of things the US might prefer they didn't, but they know that ultimately the US won't just walk away.

Instead they'll sail an aircraft carrier in to protect them because Israel suits their geopolitical aims in the region and they're indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians, along with a lot of other nations in the region.

You could see when Israel hit Qatar that suddenly the US wasn't happy and made Netanyahu apologise. But Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Iran and Yemen doesn't seem to worry the US enough to get involved.

The US got involved with Israel blocking aid because - from memory - the US was starting to get implicated in their supply of weapons used to starve and kill Palestinian civilians.

Media reporting is also very skewed, the way things are reported matters. There's plenty of non-antisemitic discussion about how this works, but the whole 'lel urantisemitic jewish world domination conspiracy' rubbish simply avoids this. Israel is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity on a massive scale, they've run a multi-decade occupation, they're still starving civilians, they're under investigation for genocide and have bombed most of their neighbours. Very few non-western nations would receive the same level of 'this is unfortunate but necessary' bias in their reporting when doing these things.

Bias hiding in plain sight: Decades of analyses suggest US media skews anti-Palestinian

How the media talks about suffering on one side compared with the other can often reveal bias in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict coverage, writes a scholar of media bias and the Arab world.

theconversation.com

Media coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The US has been in their pockets since the days of Truman and the UN vote. More recently, 20 mill was the cost for the Israel lobby to get Trump to support Jerusalem as the capital and nove the embassy there IIRC.

 

[Zidane98]

Hamas must never ever be a ruling power anywhere in Palestine or the world:



Hostage murdered by Hamas doctor in Al Shifa Hospital by injecting air into her veins.

Hamas sent the video to her parents.

This is a level of depravity that is simply unmatched anywhere.

No person in there right mind can support these savages. No wonder Gazans want them gone for good.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Hamas must never ever be a ruling power anywhere in Palestine or the world:



Hostage murdered by Hamas doctor in Al Shifa Hospital by injecting air into her veins.

Hamas sent the video to her parents.

This is a level of depravity that is simply unmatched anywhere.

No person in there right mind can support these savages. No wonder Gazans want them gone for good.

Your usual Israeli propaganda. If that video said what you claim we would have seen it already.

It's more likely that she was killed by IDF bombing as the Jerusalem Post reported. Her father said that in the video, his daughter could be seen talking about her family and begging for the bombing to stop, fearing for the other Israelis in captivity.

After more than two years, we still don't have an official Israeli inquiry into the events of October 7, 2023. What were the military and intelligence failures? How many Israelis were killed by the IDF during the battle?

 

[Deliverance]

Your usual Israeli propaganda. If that video said what you claim we would have seen it already.

It's more likely that she was killed by IDF bombing as the Jerusalem Post reported. Her father said that in the video, his daughter could be seen talking about her family and begging for the bombing to stop, fearing for the other Israelis in captivity.

After more than two years, we still don't have an official Israeli inquiry into the events of October 7, 2023. What were the military and intelligence failures? How many Israelis were killed by the IDF during the battle?

Why were soldiers told not to patrol the border at that exact time?

 

[Jazny]

Why were soldiers told not to patrol the border at that exact time?

And can jet fuel really melt steel beams? We're just asking questions.

 

[Deliverance]

And can jet fuel really melt steal beams? We're just asking questions.

The steel beams one has been answered following an investigation by the NIST. I'm sure the Israeli investigation will be equally as robust and transparent.

 

[Jazny]

The steel beams one has been answered following an investigation by the NIST. I'm sure the Israeli investigation will be equally as robust and transparent.

I am going to go out on a limb here... It was because there were some signals being detected in the lead up to the attack on the early morning of October 7th, there was a fear of anti-tank attack close to the border so the order was given for the patrol not to approach the fence, which is an "unusual but not unheard of" order according to Shiman Malka of the Golani brigade.

It's really unlucky because the four cars that were set to patrol the fence would have been able to single-handedly hold the entire attack off and undo October 7th. There were like 3800 Hamas attacking from a bunch of different locations, but one patrol would have undone the entire operation... Not the Merkava tanks though, they got disabled almost immediately, but that infantry patrol would have been the difference. Driving along that fence they would have been able to identify the full extent of exactly what was about and radio it all in which would have led to an immediate defeat of Hamas which the IDF would have hated. Imagine being the general responsible for thwarting that attack, he probably would have been fired.

That's totally why they were held back. Because Israel wanted a mass casualty event. That's definitely a conversation that took place among the IDF generals and the politicians. You have a firm grip on reality.