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Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-
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CakeEater
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Albo will need a back massage after Josh F is standing on his back trying to use this tragedy to get re elected
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Frydo has always been rolled out as an example of a 'moderate' Liberal but this is some vile politicking off the back of a tragedy. The kindest interpretation is grief led him to say it and he will regret it later. Otherwise, he's just another religious fanatic who thinks anything other than slavish support of Israel and genocide is anti-Semitic.
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Within 48 hours it's gone from "two Pakistanis targeting Jews because Albanese let terrorists in and he needs to resign", to "two Pakistanis targeting Jews because Albanese is a Hamas apologist, is soft on antisemitism and needs to resign", to it actually being an Indian who migrated 25 years ago under Howard and his Australian-born son targeting Jews, with legally obtained guns, while bearing ISIS flags, who actually oppose Hamas.
And out trots Howard to say Albanese is weak.
And out trots Howard to say Albanese is weak.
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And within 48 hours of a tragedy an awful lot of people are concerned with what the Liberal party and its former MPs are saying and doing.
Susan Ley is in opposition and pretty much anonymous. Josh Frydenburg has been out of office for 3 years. John Howard has been out of office for 18 years.
You can choose to listen to what John Howard says, or not, but at the end of the day he's not the PM. It's the PM's job is to lead, not his. Albo's not a bad guy but he's pretty uninspiring.
Susan Ley is in opposition and pretty much anonymous. Josh Frydenburg has been out of office for 3 years. John Howard has been out of office for 18 years.
You can choose to listen to what John Howard says, or not, but at the end of the day he's not the PM. It's the PM's job is to lead, not his. Albo's not a bad guy but he's pretty uninspiring.
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It's because their political opinions are pure football fan-ism. Labor is 'their team', and all they care about is if 'their team' wins. They could care less about the lives of those who died on Sunday, as long as no one dares criticize Albanese
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Grumpyshades
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is not a bad guy the same as embarrassing coward
And that is a fair summation in contrast to some laughably silly, over the top stuff by some posters and some pollies.
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I get pretty tired of hyperbolic political discourse. Albo is a commie, lefty, this that and the other... give me a spell. If he lost the last election most people probably would've forgotten him by now.
Howard went down the gun control path after Port Arthur, which for a Coalition PM did take some balls. Jacinta Ardern went down the path of showing empathy and compassion with the victims after the Christchurch shooting. Albo is just trying to please everyone without upsetting anyone. That's not an option.
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This has to be parody
It might work for Josh in the short-term, but the more he over eggs it, the more the broader public will resent his opportunism.
Likewise, the "recommendations" that the Liberals are demanding be implemented are a complete poison pill.
The Government simply need wait. Some of the demands tabled were so outrageous as to be of questionable constitutionality and far far outstrip say the very limited requests outlined by the Voice referendum.
A unilateral unelected media censor, or singular oversight of university and educational funding on political grounds might seem like fun to the Libs when they consider how it could be deployed to wreck say higher ed or public broadcasting, but as time goes on and the full suite of demands re-enter the public consciousness, the public is much more likely to reject it whole cloth.
Also demands that the PM take full responsibility or resign etc.
It comes across as either hysterical or insanely political.
Unfortunately the impulse of many reactionaries or political opportunists is get given an inch, try to take a mile.
They can't understand how normal people think and see public empathy merely as an opportunity.
Which is a horrible miscalculation and doesn't just hurt social cohesion or tackling anti-semitism, it ultimately arrests whatever political gains said opportunists try and make.
Bibi bloviating, lying and threatening on the sidelines, or the corpse of John Howard being wheeled out to try and triangulate on gun control, are the actions of people not in their right mind, and that sort of thing compounds in the popular consciousness.
I think I need a break from this forum for a little bit.
Frydenberg is a leader in the Jewish community.
Painting this as opportunism is so sick.
He has a right to feel outraged and he sure as hell has a right to speak up if he thinks his friends and family are being racial targeted and abused.
Can you imagine if this was a leader of another minority after an event like this and people were saying shit like this about them?
If anything the reactions to some of the Jewish leaders in the last few days only reinforces how bad antisemitism really is at the moment. A real true deep seated hatred for the race because of the actions of Israel is the only explanation.
He needs to be steady, stick to his prior position on social cohesion and say, we will (only) consider changes that are sensible.
It's clearly not tenable, democratic or sane to entertain the concentration of power and oversight in the hands of a single unelected party.
Beyond making zero sense, it completely undermines governance, the state, notionsnof Australian democracy etc. and in very real terms when the power is abused by political partisans.
Which lets be honest, is the only reason certain rightwing factions want the "recommendations" implemented in full.
You get a brief chance to annihilate tertiary and public education, public broadcasting and so on.
The demands are outrageous, absolutely not in good faith, and after a period of respect Labor actually has to draw a line in the sand. Whether that comes after an oblique campaign in the media, via leaks whatever, as to the actual contents of the report and why they are infeasible, so be it.
The whole point is, that instead of the federal government being allowed to focus on docial cohesion, anti-semitism, gun proliferation and so on, it has to deal with a hundred different political opportunists, be it Fredo or Pauline Hanson, either trying to launch political comebacks or fashion a Reform style political wave, on the backs of tragedy.
Like I said, people just trying to cynically push personal barrows.
You should be ashamed, but I don't think you are capable.
That doesn't matter.
Personal attacks like this aren't in good faith.
Fake outrage using tragedy as a shield to push a personal barrow, ala Sphynx. It's become an increasing feature of rightwing or online politics. See the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination. As soon as time has passed, the old outrage is forgotten and people cynically seize on a new tragedy.
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Haven't really heard from Frydenberg for a while. Then he's out at the Bondi site - absolutely warranted and expected - but he's directing his anger straight at his political opponent and then, whaddya know, an hour later it's leaked that he's going to run for parliament again.
I'm not that gullible.
Racially motivated attacks? So I'm being anti-Semitic because I'm criticising a politician who is Jewish? Yeah no worries.
Maybe he felt compelled to return and lead his people?
We tend to celebrate that with other minorities…
Political opponent or the person directly responsible for our society and its policies that is currently infested with racism towards his community?
Again, you see what you want to see.
Whether it’s because of his political alignment or his race, it’s weak.
Dogs_R_Us
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They say he’s a very nice person but he was never cut out to be a leader and it’s obvious. He’s always been the party’s numbers man. Got thrust into the job when Shorten stuffed up (he was no better).
He’s never held a portfolio. He has to navigate the factions in the Labor party, as well as the unions. He’s not a conviction politician, he finds it difficult to defend a position without deflecting, dodging or lying. He’s more at ease in a back room, wheeling and dealing, than in the uncomfortable public gaze where everyone can see right through him.
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why do you just make shit up all the time? It takes about 10 seconds to search this stuff
