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He was probably told he would have to ride for Vingegaard rather than defend his Giro title

 

[eth-dog]

The V-LAB set up is extremely strict. They tell you what bike, helmet, everything you have to wear even in training. Coming from Jayco where there's a lot more freedom it probably restricts you a lot more and makes it less fun

 

[BomToydd]

Wtf! The timing is so sudden and weird but was one of my favourite cyclists to watch when he was on

 

[The Kings Ransom]

'There could be a massive drop-off' - Jay Vine warns of dramatically narrowing pathways to professionalism for Australian and New Zealanders

Australian paints gloomy picture for mid-to-long term future for riders from Down Under – with soaring costs providing another layer to the obstacles – but says there may be solutions

www.cyclingnews.com

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'There could be a massive drop-off' - Jay Vine warns of dramatically narrowing pathways to professionalism for Australian and New Zealanders

Australian paints gloomy picture for mid-to-long term future for riders from Down Under – with soaring costs providing another layer to the obstacles – but says there may be solutions

www.cyclingnews.com

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'There could be a massive drop-off' - Jay Vine warns of dramatically narrowing pathways to professionalism for Australian and New Zealanders​

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ByAlasdair Fotheringham Contributions fromSimone Giulianipublished5 hours ago
Australian paints gloomy picture for mid-to-long term future for riders from Down Under - with soaring costs providing another layer to the obstacles – but says there may be solutions

Vuelta a España 2025 stage 20: Jay Vine closes in on a second mountains classification win(Image credit: Getty Images)


Few Australian racers have been as successful in the past five years as newly crowned National Time Trial Champion Jay Vine - and that's despite some massive setbacks along the way. What's more, arguably even fewer have had such an unorthodox pathway into the highest levels of the sport as Vine did.

The story of Vine turning pro at Alpecin in 2021 as a reward for standout success at the Zwift Academy e-racing, rather than on real roads, has been recounted many times now.

However, as Vine told Cyclingnews this December before heading to Australia for the Nationals and a crack at a second title in the Tour Down Under, when it comes to other pros from his homeland now trying to make it in Europe by much more conventional career pathways, the UAE Team Emirates-XRG rider is increasingly pessimistic about their prospects.

What Vine believes to be a below-par racing scene in Australia, rising costs across the board, and on top of that, the increasing focus by professional teams on finding young talent all combine to mean the window of opportunities are shrinking fast for his compatriots, Vine says. And that goes for both men's and women's cycling.

In fact, Vine even goes so far as to say that the current prospects in the women's side of the sport are akin to the tough struggle that Australian and NZ men faced over thirty years ago to turn pro and succeed - an era when the number of male professionals from those countries in the European peloton could be almost counted on the fingers of one hand.

But across the board, in any case, Vine's description of the challenges for young Australian and NZ amateur racers looking to progress further up the ranks as "cost-prohibitive" is hardly encouraging.

What's more, that economic challenge, as Vine sees it, is only one of the major obstacles compared to some years ago. In an era when riders like teammate Tadej Pogačar are winning the Tour de France aged 21, or Juan Ayuso (Lidl-Trek) makes it onto the podium of the Vuelta a España aged 20, the trend of searching for ever-younger racers seems unstoppable. That trend is not benefiting Australian cycling at all, he says.


"For the current generation [of Australian racers], for sure it's harder because you've got to be in Europe doing races at 15, and you know, you're still at school, all that sort of stuff," Vine told Cyclingnews last month.

"I hadn't even ridden a bike at 15, but [nowadays] you've gotta be exposed to racing at 15.

As for the rising costs, "Back then, also, you used to be able to just pick up a bike that was, you know, 1500 bucks, ride, and get a good result. Now it's - you've gotta have a bunch of equipment. Bikes are more and more expensive, and that's also the case with flights, accommodation, and all that sort of stuff.

"I think it's very cost-prohibitive to try and get into the sport," particularly, he added, when in a far-flung nation.

Nor is it only when it comes to individuals, Vine says. He believes local teams, too, are likely finding it harder and harder financially to get off the ground.

"I mean, starting your own team, like - who did it? Drapac, a Pro Continental team" [An Australian squad finally merged with EF in 2016, while it continued as a development team for some years after - Ed.] "or what was the other one, Black Spoke in New Zealand? [which ran from 2021-2024-Ed].

"It's just so cost-prohibitive. It's nice, but it's so expensive to run in this European sport. So I don't think that'd be wise."

"You need to be in Europe to do it. I've tried to support a couple of women to come over to Europe in some Continental teams, but you've got to be in Europe, and you've got to be in Europe early."

He is equally gloomy, if not more, about the prospects for women's racers, even though budgets have been on the rise in recent years, and that is across the board.

"I think women's cycling is probably where men's cycling was in the 90s. And to try and get a 21-year-old from Australia into a Continental team or a ProConti team, as I see it is, like, almost impossible.

"Unless you're [up-and-coming British cycling star] Cat Ferguson…or unless you've got a European connection, it's really difficult. Or [unless] you're incredibly talented and you just win everything."

Race action in Australia (Image credit: Getty Images)

A deep-rooted problem?​

Nor, Vine believes, is it as simple as getting to Europe and starting to race, as he can testify himself. To rewind to April 2021, Vine made an immediate impact on his pro debut at the Tour of Turkey, finishing second on the Elmali summit finish. Later that year, he would catch the eye of many cycling fans again at Lagunas de Neila during the Vuelta a Burgos. Put it all together, and it meant that riding fast uphill was never the problem for him.

Rather, back then, as Vine told Cyclingnews in an interview in 2023, if he had faced a steep learning curve when he turned pro with Alpecin, his strength-sapping lack of race craft at the time could in part be attributed to apparently chronic deficiencies in the racing scene back home.

“In Australia, in a bunch of say 60 guys max, there’s really only five guys who are on the verge of turning pro, and they can do whatever they want in the bunch, they can go from last wheel to first, no problem. It’s like putting [Fabian] Cancellara in a junior race, he can do whatever he wants,” he said in 2023.

“Then you come over here, and you have 70 Cancellaras, so you can’t just do whatever you want. You’ve got to work the race tactically and use your teammates. Riding in the bunch without using massive amounts of energy, that’s the biggest thing. I knew I had a lot to learn.”

Fast forward five years and Vine has obviously moved on enormously - witness his steadily improving palmares in specialities as varied as double success in the Australian National time trial title and then snapping up four mountain stages of the Vuelta a España - and counting.

But to judge from Vine's words, the lower level of racing compared to Europe remains endemic to the Australian peloton. On top of that, there's been a drop-off in interest in Australia, he says, in organising racing as well, which you could argue makes a vicious circle even more of a closed one, too.

"It's getting harder and harder for clubs to put on races, especially when there's not that groundswell of riders wanting to do it," Vine says.

"So when I was racing amateurs in my local club" - in the latter part of the last decade - "there was a core group of five to ten guys. But that A-grade sort of half of it moved into Masters and got older, and families and all that sort of stuff, and then half of them racked it, and then that next wave of cycling riders are still 12 to 15, so they haven't gotten into that group yet."

"I think Cycling Australia's trying to resurrect the support for the under-19s and under-23s. But I mean, we're signing people that are under 19 now into the WorldTour, so you sort of need to start when they're 12. Unfortunately."

Furthermore, as a pro of over five years standing in Europe, he's also not overly convinced of the idea that the criteriums raced in Australia - one of the most resilient sides of the sport as they minimise the costs and difficulty of getting approvals and traffic management - can really contribute overly to a rider's progress on the other side of the globe. Equally worryingly, he believes is that the number of races across his country is dropping across the board, too.

"Even in my local region, I know a bunch of state handicaps have sort of stopped running because the people that run them have moved on, and they haven't been taken up by other people to continue running them. The crit scene seems to be still pretty popular, but you know, for someone wanting to go professional in Europe, crits are almost worthless.

"A lot of the racing in Australia is actually pretty ordinary for European stuff, so it's disappointing. I think trying to get to Europe as quickly as possible is the best way of doing it."

On the plus side, once a rider is established, like Vine, the benefits are anything but minor, he says, given the way wages have risen considerably over the last few years, particularly in the biggest teams.

As he puts it, "I'd also swing it the other way in that the reward's a lot better as well, right? I mean, there's not much money in cycling, but the money in cycling has gone up. You know, there's lots of pressure on young riders, but we're also being paid professionally now."

2024 Olympic Games elite women time trial: Grace Brown speeds to gold (Image credit: Getty Images)

A massive drop-off - and a solution?​

However, while the current panorama in Australia in terms of pros racing abroad is flourishing at present, Vine is adamant that the future risks being a very different story indeed. The combination of all the factors he's highlighted would seem to paint a very dramatic story in the mid-to-long term.

"The statistics probably don't show it because we've probably still got the same amount of young riders getting signed to WorldTour teams as before, and we've got probably the most ever Australians in the sport currently at the professional level," he says.

"But there could be a massive drop off when the guys that are currently 30 to 35 start retiring." - Vine himself is 30 - "I don't think there's gonna be 10 riders that all of a sudden get signed in the next three or four years."

Countries with more recent full-scale road racing success like Australia, which only really began to move forward in that side of the sport in the 1980s with Phil Anderson, tend to be more vulnerable to rises and drops in popular interest.

But there can be moments when the arrival of a major new star or a win in a major race like the Tour de France can create a significant uptick in coverage and, ultimately, inspire young people to start out in the sport.

Vine agrees this kind of standout success can only be beneficial, but he argues that it's a long-term fix for something that is already hitting the red alert zone in a much closer time frame. He also points to such programs to bring on younger riders already being at least partly in place.

"I'd suggest that's still like a 15-year solution," says Vine as, while he acknowledged there are programmes in place, he pointed to the benefits of a different era where there were European scholarships "where you have 6 guys, like the old AIS [Australian Institute of Sport] team: most of those guys are still in the professional peloton."

At the same time, he points out, the solid results for the Olympics in Paris will likely also have created an increase in budget, with the Australian Sports Commission allocating $15.86 million Australian to the sport body in the 2025/26 financial year. As Vine puts it, "Government funding for Cycling Australia will have gone up, and then they can start throwing that around, hopefully at the road side of the sport and Grace Brown" - the winner of the individual time trial in Paris - "did a crazy amount of stuff with her gold medal, too."

"So hopefully we get some funding for both sides of the sport, men and women, and we're able to put teams in Europe to get them racing and get people signed up."

It can't be overstated that creating a definitive solution to all of these woes in the making is in no way straightforward. But if Vine's warnings about the long-term predicament Australian cycling finds itself in turn out to be true, then there looks as if there is precious little time to lose all the same.

 

[Orange Agent]

He was probably told he would have to ride for Vingegaard rather than defend his Giro title

Goes to the route reveal, says he still doesn't know if he's gonna be defending it. Next minute retired. I'd like odds on a comeback next year.

 

[Daka]

Goes to the route reveal, says he still doesn't know if he's gonna be defending it. Next minute retired. I'd like odds on a comeback next year.

I saw a discussion on another forum, I haven't seen it myself, but his brother was on a podcast and apparently said he thinks he's brother should retire on top, obviously looking at Simon's statement, it sounds like retirement may have been on his mind for a while.

People will speculate though, no doubt a surprise and tbh Visma have a right to be kind of a bit unhappy imo given they brought him across & has retired so soon after 1 season, and this certainly weakens their squad in Grand Tours, they might have wanted to use only 1 of Kuss or Yates in Giro/TdF as a domestique to keep one of them fresh for another if Vingegaard ends up doing the Giro & TdF double.

 

[Daka]

 

[eth-dog]

On the Yates (and obviously now Jorgenson) discussion, it does present an interesting option for La Vuelta for V-LAB's GC. Will Jorgenson be there as the GC candidate? If he's needed to do a lot of domestique work for Jonas at the Tour then he may not be a viable candidate. Doe he get the gig? Does Ben Tullett (probably a bit early and I don't see him being a top 5 prospect) or do we finally see GC Wout?

 

[Daka]

On the Yates (and obviously now Jorgenson) discussion, it does present an interesting option for La Vuelta for V-LAB's GC. Will Jorgenson be there as the GC candidate? If he's needed to do a lot of domestique work for Jonas at the Tour then he may not be a viable candidate. Doe he get the gig? Does Ben Tullett (probably a bit early and I don't see him being a top 5 prospect) or do we finally see GC Wout?

Kuss probably more suited than Jorgenson as GC leader in La Vuelta if both go.

Jorgenson's goal should be trying to win a stage win at the TdF but not sure if he can do it with the way Visma race.
Kuss has done three Grand Tours in a year before & doesn't race much outside of these types of races so I believe he can do it.

 

[eth-dog]

Kuss probably more suited than Jorgenson as GC leader in La Vuelta if both go.

Jorgenson's goal should be trying to win a stage win at the TdF but not sure if he can do it with the way Visma race.
Kuss has done three Grand Tours in a year before & doesn't race much outside of these types of races so I believe he can do it.

Kuss is not a viable GC candidate over Jorgenson. That Vuelta he won was basically because Visma told the two best riders in the race not to fight him for GC.

 

[Daka]

Kuss is not a viable GC candidate over Jorgenson. That Vuelta he won was basically because Visma told the two best riders in the race not to fight him for GC.

Even if he was gifted the win 2023 Vuelta only Roglic & Vingegaard beat him potentially? not sure that's a knock on Kuss.
He still beat everyone else in that race comfortably.

Although probably both aren't top tier as GC riders. Kuss seems better to me than Jorgenson at the steep climbs that the Vuelta usually brings as shown in last year last year's TdF where Jorgenson was getting dropped early on climbs. and this was well before he was let off the leash to go up the road.

And also outperformed him in 2025 at Vuelta.

I think Visma will give Kuss GC leadership at the Vuelta over Jorgenson honestly.
time will tell let's see who is right.

 

[eth-dog]

Even if he was gifted the win 2023 Vuelta only Roglic & Vingegaard beat him potentially? not sure that's a knock on Kuss.
He still beat everyone else in that race comfortably.

Although probably both aren't top tier as GC riders. Kuss seems better to me than Jorgenson at the steep climbs that the Vuelta usually brings as shown in last year last year's TdF where Jorgenson was getting dropped early on climbs. and this was well before he was let off the leash to go up the road.

And also outperformed him in 2025 at Vuelta.

I think Visma will give Kuss GC leadership at the Vuelta over Jorgenson honestly.
time will tell let's see who is right.

Jorgensen has out pointed him pretty much every other race they've done together. And has much stronger GC palmares as leader.

 

[Daka]

Jorgensen has out pointed him pretty much every other race they've done together. And has much stronger GC palmares as leader.

Jorgenson has no stage wins in Grand Tours, Sepp Kuss has 2x individual stage wins at Vuelta & 1x at the Tour.
You are very unlikely to win a Grand Tour if you can't at least win 1 stage.

Sepp Kuss has won more than double the number of races Jorgenson has.

 

[eth-dog]

Jorgenson has no stage wins in Grand Tours, Sepp Kuss has 2x individual stage wins at Vuelta & 1x at the Tour.
You are very unlikely to win a Grand Tour if you can't at least win 1 stage.

Sepp Kuss has won more than double the number of races Jorgenson has.

Kuss has one WT stage race win, and 5 other top 10's in WT stage races, the next highest being a 5th in UAE tour. Not bad, but Jorgenson has 2x Paris-Nice wins, as well as 2nd on GC in Romandie and Dauphine (Dauphine behind arguably the best one week racer ever in Primoz Roglic) and 5 other top 10's in his career.

I also expect Kuss to be at the Giro and Tour. Jorgenson will be at the Tour and maybe the Vuelta. He's unlikely to win, but he could podium in a potentially very weak field.

 

[SpecialBruce]

Simon Yates has gone on a blocking spree on X. Rumours is that he tested positive for something.

 

[Daka]

Simon Yates has gone on a blocking spree on X. Rumours is that he tested positive for something.

Apparently, those blocks were done a few years ago he blocked every big cycling blogger on X

 

[BomToydd]

Simon Yates has gone on a blocking spree on X. Rumours is that he tested positive for something.

If you search 'Simon Yates' and 'blocked' it looks like the Yates twins have been doing blocking sprees for years
Hasn't made any posts or comments for like 5 years but appears he regularly logs on to search his own name and block users who mention him. Not just users who criticise him either. So weird

 

[SpecialBruce]

Apparently, those blocks were done a few years ago he blocked every big cycling blogger on X

Nah, they have happened the last few days

 

[Daka]

'You can feel caged' - Dumoulin on Visma and Simon Yates' surprise retirement

Simon Yates’ shock retirement announcement earlier this month had distinct echoes of Tom Dumoulin’s unexpected decision to take a sabbatical from cycling…

www.domestiquecycling.com

 

[Daka]

 

[Daka]

Does anyone know where to watch the UAE Tour later this month?

The startlist with Vingegaard, Del Toro & Evenepoel is a good early season marker.

 

[eth-dog]

Does anyone know where to watch the UAE Tour later this month?

The startlist with Vingegaard, Del Toro & Evenepoel is a good early season marker.

I haven't checked but if it isn't on Stay live it'll be on Tiz

 

[Scythe]

New Bike Day!

(Didn't even realise we had a cycling board, so I'll start popping by a bit more)

 

[Daka]

I haven't checked but if it isn't on Stay live it'll be on Tiz

They are showing women's now, so I looked ahead surely, they got to be showing the men's.
and they are, we are saved love SBS on demand!