Iranian Uprising

[steve strange]

I feel for the people who are dying and suffering. But this has all the hallmarks of a bloodbath with no good outcome possible. Either the bloodthirsty, human rights-hating theocrats remain in power, or the bloodthirsty, human rights-hating Israeli state gains a new client state to wield its influence through. There will be a lot of suffering no matter what.

Or the working class rise up and say no to both

 

[Baldur]

I feel for the people who are dying and suffering. But this has all the hallmarks of a bloodbath with no good outcome possible. Either the bloodthirsty, human rights-hating theocrats remain in power, or the bloodthirsty, human rights-hating Israeli state gains a new client state to wield its influence through. There will be a lot of suffering no matter what.

There is no chance that Israel gains a client state, that is a nightmare for Benjamin Netanyahu. He needs conflict in the Middle East to maintain his corrupt government.

Now a US client state, possible I guess but the present US government is too incompetent to manage it, as much as they might wish to control Iran's oil.

The most likely result is more of the same, but there is a small chance that the present government falls. The new regime might be more secular but not pro Israel or even pro US. Far more likely to be pro China, China's history with Iran is not as fraught as the US and China wants their oil as well.

 

[steve strange]

I feel for the people who are dying and suffering. But this has all the hallmarks of a bloodbath with no good outcome possible. Either the bloodthirsty, human rights-hating theocrats remain in power, or the bloodthirsty, human rights-hating Israeli state gains a new client state to wield its influence through. There will be a lot of suffering no matter what.

Or the working class rise up and say no t

There is no chance that Israel gains a client state, that is a nightmare for Benjamin Netanyahu. He needs conflict in the Middle East to maintain his corrupt government.

Now a US client state, possible I guess but the present US government is too incompetent to manage it, as much as they might wish to control Iran's oil.

The most likely result is more of the same, but there is a small chance that the present government falls. The new regime might be more secular but not pro Israel or even pro US. Far more likely to be pro China, China's history with Iran is not as fraught as the US and China wants their oil as well.

dont forget history - the US preferred the mullahs in power when at one stage there was a possibility of iran communist party taking over

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Or the working class rise up and say no to both

Since about 1959, where have the working class been allowed to rise up anywhere? The CIA simply engineer a coup to stop them and install their own pro-corporate stooge instead. This already happened in Iran with Mossadegh and the Shah. I think if the theocratic regime gets toppled, the new regime will have Mossad agents as advisors from top to bottom.

There is no chance that Israel gains a client state, that is a nightmare for Benjamin Netanyahu. He needs conflict in the Middle East to maintain his corrupt government.

He needs conflict in the Middle East, but he doesn't need Iran. The next Middle Eastern proxy war has already begun, it's the Saudis vs the UAE. Netanyahu will simply play off one side against the other. Iran isn't as useful to him after that.

The most likely result is more of the same, but there is a small chance that the present government falls. The new regime might be more secular but not pro Israel or even pro US. Far more likely to be pro China, China's history with Iran is not as fraught as the US and China wants their oil as well.

I think that's a pipe dream, Israel or the US will ensure they get a compliant regime in place, by hook or by crook.

 

[Baldur]

The Iranian people are an ancient, proud, and educated people who were civilized when ancestors of the western powers where wearing furs and living in mud huts. They for good reason are unhappy with their present government. Sure some of the economic problems are due to sanctions, but the people are entitled to be discontented that their government is doing nothing to alleviate the issue, indeed making it worse.

They are not ignorant children, prey to the evil western colonialists, with no agency whatsoever in their own actions, mere puppets of Mossad or the CIA.

 

[Baldur]

thSince about 1959, where have the working class been allowed to rise up anywhere? The CIA simply engineer a coup to stop them and install their own pro-corporate stooge instead. This already happened in Iran with Mossadegh and the Shah. I think if the theocratic regime gets toppled, the new regime will have Mossad agents as advisors from top to bottom.


He needs conflict in the Middle East, but he doesn't need Iran. The next Middle Eastern proxy war has already begun, it's the Saudis vs the UAE. Netanyahu will simply play off one side against the other. Iran isn't as useful to him after that.


I think that's a pipe dream, Israel or the US will ensure they get a compliant regime in place, by hook or by crook.

If the present regime falls it will most likely be because some general has decided enough is enough. But both he and his people will be well aware of how badly allying with the US turned out and how unpopular this would be among all sections of Iranian society. As for Mossad agents running the place, get a replacement for your tin foil hat.

Saudis vrs the UAE is useless to Netanyahu, he needs a direct threat to Israel. Iran by funding terrorists, jihadist militias, and lobbing missiles at Israel is such a threat. Israelis do not care about Arabs killing each other, but to hope it makes them too preoccupied to kill Israelis.

Many here overestimate the power of the US and Israel. A compliant regime might be the US's wish, but its even more of a pipedream. A pro Israel or US party in power is about as likely as a francophile party taking power in the Weimar republic.

Frankly you sound like a 19th century liberal imperialist bemoaning the fate of the poor dark child races being exploited by his evil fellow westerners. Both the exploiters and those arguing against them operated on an assumption of western white supremacy.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Frankly you sound like a 19th century liberal imperialist bemoaning the fate of the poor dark child races being exploited by his evil fellow westerners. Both the exploiters and those arguing against them operated on an assumption of western white supremacy.

Frankly you sound like a sanctimonious blockhead if that's what you derived from what I wrote.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Wow, this report is complete horseshit. Ridiculous sources - the only doctor quoted here is a close associate and lobbyist for Pahlavi.

Christina Lamb is the same propagandist that wrote lies about fetuses being cut from wombs and non-existent Oct 7 sexual violence videos - completely inventing an eyewitness that doesnt exist.

 

[Zidane98]

Wow, this report is complete horseshit. Ridiculous sources - the only doctor quoted here is a close associate and lobbyist for Pahlavi.

Christina Lamb is the same propagandist that wrote lies about fetuses being cut from wombs and non-existent Oct 7 sexual violence videos - completely inventing an eyewitness that doesnt exist.

You have managed to defend two separate genocidal terrorist regimes in the one post.

That's a new record even for you.

 

[Zidane98]

Khamenei regime getting tips from their scummy terrorist proxies it seems.

 

[Zidane98]

Concerning.


Mod Edit: this post had been demonstrated to be misinformative.

 

[Zidane98]

It's amazing that being a client state of China is not seen as a problem but a new reformist government seeking peace with the west is for some:



A reminder that China sources 90% of its oil from Iran at knockdown prices.

No wonder the Chinese ared so desperate for the Khamenei dictatorship to survive.

Probably even giving them some Tianamen square inspired tips to stop protests.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

You have managed to defend two separate genocidal terrorist regimes in the one post.

That's a new record even for you.

You've got to stop posting propaganda all over the place - novody takes you seriously.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Khamenei regime getting tips from their scummy terrorist proxies it seems.

Just waiting for the stories about organ harvesting, or children placed in ovens.

 

[Zidane98]

Just waiting for the stories about organ harvesting, or children placed in ovens.

This is an interesting response by you to the Iranian dictatorship committing acts of sexual assault in custody. No condemnation, just deflection and nonsensical whataboutisms. Your credibility is basically zero, you should consider posting in the conspiracy forums as that seems more suited to you.


I honestly don't believe you could be a bigger simp for the Khamenei terrorist dictatorship if you tried.

 

[Mofra]

Since about 1959, where have the working class been allowed to rise up anywhere?

Poland?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Poland?

Good call, ironically against a communist regime.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

This is an interesting response by you to the Iranian dictatorship committing acts of sexual assault in custody. No condemnation, just deflection and nonsensical whataboutisms. Your credibility is basically zero, you should consider posting in the conspiracy forums as that seems more suited to you.


I honestly don't believe you could be a bigger simp for the Khamenei terrorist dictatorship if you tried.

Again with the strawman - do you have any other buttons?

Pointing out obvious bullshit isnt simping for anyone.

Decry the Iranians all you want, just don't use falsified nonsense to do it.

 

[Zidane98]

Again with the strawman - do you have any other buttons?

Pointing out obvious bullshit isnt simping for anyone.

Decry the Iranians all you want, just don't use falsified nonsense to do it.

Your response to reports of Iranian regime sexual assault is to post nonsensical totally unrelated whataboutisms.


No comment on the actual sexual assault allegations, no condemnation. Nothing.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Your response to reports of Iranian regime sexual assault is to post nonsensical totally unrelated whataboutisms.


No comment on the actual sexual assault allegations, no condemnation. Nothing.

I don't think you understand what a whataboutism is?

If I spent time condemning every horrible thing that happened in the world, I'd never do anything else.

 

[ferball]

The Iranian people are an ancient, proud, and educated people who were civilized when ancestors of the western powers where wearing furs and living in mud huts. They for good reason are unhappy with their present government. Sure some of the economic problems are due to sanctions, but the people are entitled to be discontented that their government is doing nothing to alleviate the issue, indeed making it worse.

They are not ignorant children, prey to the evil western colonialists, with no agency whatsoever in their own actions, mere puppets of Mossad or the CIA.

Generally neolithic European cultures were egalitarian (ie not sexist or racist), co-operative and environmentally conscious whereas "civilised" Persian rulers like Xerxes were genocidal psychos.

The issue with US and Israeli involvement in the uprising is similar to what happened when the fundy's took control of Iran in the late 70s. The US under Carter tried to manipulate the situation and this led eventually to the 1980 October Surprise and the Iran Contra affair as Reagan's side of politics worked directly with the Khomeini Regime supplying them with weapons via Israel.

There are plenty of people around the world who acted with agency in choosing their own governments that supported their interests only to have them undermined or overthrown by foreign interests who wanted to get rich stealing their resources.

 

[Zidane98]

I don't think you understand what a whataboutism is?

That would responding to a post with something completely unrelated. Which is exactly what you did.

If I spent time condemning every horrible thing that happened in the world, I'd never do anything else.

That's not what you did though. There have been allegations that the Iranian regime is carrying out crimes of sexual assault against protestors. Your response avoided criticism of this completely.

 

[ferball]

That would responding to a post with something completely unrelated. Which is exactly what you did.

That's not what you did though. There have been allegations that the Iranian regime is carrying out crimes of sexual assault against protestors. Your response avoided criticism of this completely.

If those claims are true they are disgusting and put the Iranian regime on par with other disgusting regimes like Israel and the US.

 

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[steve strange]

If those claims are true they are disgusting and put the Iranian regime on par with other disgusting regimes like Israel and the US.

These are the same crowd that gaddafi's soldiers were taking viagra and about to rape all the women.