Society/Culture Capitalism and the construction of Class Warfare

[iBeng]

So what do we all think? Just a bogeyman made up by people that want a free ride to money and feel they got the short straw? Or an actual systemic process over a large period of time thats led to inequality and class warfare?

Heres a (yes yes, I know, a LIBERALBAD look at it)

What 'Class Warfare' means to Liberals & Conservatives | AllSides Red Blue Translator

Conservatives use this term to describe what they see as a very harmful liberal attitude based on incorrect beliefs and leading to harmful public policies. The key belief is the claim that income and wealth inequality is the root cause of most problems. In fact, say conservatives, huge problems...

www.allsides.com

 

[truedemon]

the democrats are not much more than puppets for the globalists!
Joe Biden barely know what day of the week it is let alone be in control of a powerful country

 

[Present Not Past]

Karl wrote the book.

 

[Present Not Past]

the democrats are not much more than puppets for the globalists!
Joe Biden barely know what day of the week it is let alone be in control of a powerful country

Yet we have a game show host as President.
You can see your fail from space.

 

[iBeng]

Class warfare is why republicans will never back a Universal Basic Income approach to society. They dont want people to be financial secure, it takes away the drive of capitalism to make everything a valued commodity in money terms.

 

[Present Not Past]

This story sums up perfectly the massive divide between workers and capitalists.

Whilst Disney World is charging US$65 for a ham and chesse sandwich and a banana, workers in China are being paid the equivalent of US$3 an hour to manufacture goods for the US market.

Disney World’s $65 sandwich slammed

Fyre Festival 2.0?

www.news.com.au

 

[iBeng]

This story sums up perfectly the massive divide between workers and capitalists.

Whilst Disney World is charging US$65 for a ham and chesse sandwich and a banana, workers in China are being paid the equivalent of US$3 an hour to manufacture goods for the US market.

Disney World’s $65 sandwich slammed

Fyre Festival 2.0?

www.news.com.au

The sheer amount of merchandise in Disney World that would be made for cents in China and sold for dollars in America would likely blow some peoples minds. They are literally profiting of slavery.

 

[Not Important]

absolutely. tax the pants off every one of 'em.

 

[RCAB]

absolutely. tax the pants off every one of 'em.

Should a person with over $500 million even exist? Maybe we should send them all to the guillotines.

 

[Seeds]

Should a person with over $500 million even exist? Maybe we should send them all to the guillotines.

We could just tax their wealth sufficiently. Gees whats with the murderous attitude.

 

[Seeds]

absolutely. tax the pants off every one of 'em.

We need to more then tax the wealthy. We need to change the nature of how news media is funded.

 

[Seeds]

The sheer amount of merchandise in Disney World that would be made for cents in China and sold for dollars in America would likely blow some peoples minds. They are literally profiting of slavery.

You might want to use a better example then the country that has seen the greatest rise in the middle class over a 30 year period that all was initially driven by using cheap labor to sell goods back to the rich.

 

[Not Important]

We need to more then tax the wealthy. We need to change the nature of how news media is funded.

and the degree to which one owner can have more than one outlet. plus some teeth in applying journalistic standards.

 

[iBeng]

You might want to use a better example then the country that has seen the greatest rise in the middle class over a 30 year period that all was initially driven by using cheap labor to sell goods back to the rich.

Damn, blast from 6 years ago. Sure, theres plenty of examples of Country A using Country Bs lack of give-a-shit about their citizens to mass produce cheap products with slave labour levels of efficiency. The big old dollar rules all.

 

[iBeng]

Society right now is like a big apple pie where 99% of it is eaten by a handful while the remaining few BILLION odd occasionally ask for maybe 2 or even 3% of it and then get told to know their place.

 

[Seeds]

Society right now is like a big apple pie where 99% of it is eaten by a handful while the remaining few BILLION odd occasionally ask for maybe 2 or even 3% of it and then get told to know their place.

Its only slave labor if its actually slave labor. If its just people who live on farms moving to factories bcause they get a higher wage and standard of living then they otherwise would have then surely thats a good thing given the alternative (staying on the farms with even longer hours and worse pay). This system has seen dramatic rises in wealth in japan, korea, taiwan, china and then asean regions. Now its working in south asian economies. Opening up the world to global trade through accessing cheap labour has driven the greatest convergence in global wages in world history. Its the way to solve global inequality.

 

[Gethelred]

Its only slave labor if its actually slave labor.

It's labour.

There's also precious small difference between starving or being homeless through economic oppression or being trapped through your financial circumstances - the capitalist way of creating wage slaves through debt - and actual indenture or serfdom. About the only one is that a person these days can declare bankruptcy, but the downsides of that are to an extent equivalent to homelessness if you are not a person of contacts.

If its just people who live on farms moving to factories bcause they get a higher wage and standard of living then they otherwise would have then surely thats a good thing given the alternative (staying on the farms with even longer hours and worse pay). This system has seen dramatic rises in wealth in japan, korea, taiwan, china and then asean regions. Now its working in south asian economies. Opening up the world to global trade through accessing cheap labour has driven the greatest convergence in global wages in world history. Its the way to solve global inequality.

It's good that capitalism has its defenders. Without people to lick the boot, however would they get polished?

 

[Seeds]

It's labour.

There's also precious small difference between starving or being homeless through economic oppression or being trapped through your financial circumstances - the capitalist way of creating wage slaves through debt - and actual indenture or serfdom. About the only one is that a person these days can declare bankruptcy, but the downsides of that are to an extent equivalent to homelessness if you are not a person of contacts.

It's good that capitalism has its defenders. Without people to lick the boot, however would they get polished?

but the non capitalist way had these people living on farms with even worse standards of living. How do you get out of that if there is no wealth pie to share around in the first place. You cant use redistribution policy when there is little to redistribute.

The rise of foreign investment and trade in Asia drove declines in poverty and improvements in standard of livings at a rate and level never seen before in history. The cause isnt even debated amongst economists. The evidence is overwhelming and logic/math indisputable. But sure go ahead and disagree with all the experts.

Ps. Agreeing with this does not mean I agree unfettered capitalism is desirable. Dont link advocacy of one element of capitalism with advocacy of all of it.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

Should a person with over $500 million even exist? Maybe we should send them all to the guillotines.

I assume you'll self sacrifice.

 

[iBeng]

Its only slave labor if its actually slave labor. If its just people who live on farms moving to factories bcause they get a higher wage and standard of living then they otherwise would have then surely thats a good thing given the alternative (staying on the farms with even longer hours and worse pay). This system has seen dramatic rises in wealth in japan, korea, taiwan, china and then asean regions. Now its working in south asian economies. Opening up the world to global trade through accessing cheap labour has driven the greatest convergence in global wages in world history. Its the way to solve global inequality.

Sure, in 500+ years or so lol

 

[Gethelred]

but the non capitalist way had these people living on farms with even worse standards of living. How do you get out of that if there is no wealth pie to share around in the first place. You cant use redistribution policy when there is little to redistribute.

The rise of foreign investment and trade in Asia drove declines in poverty and improvements in standard of livings at a rate and level never seen before in history. The cause isnt even debated amongst economists. The evidence is overwhelming and logic/math indisputable. But sure go ahead and disagree with all the experts.

Don't know where I stated the opposite to that. I'd be interested in knowing the degree to which one has to read between the lines before one starts imagining things.

Ps. Agreeing with this does not mean I agree unfettered capitalism is desirable. Dont link advocacy of one element of capitalism with advocacy of all of it.

... Seeds, I don't think you're an advocate of anything because I don't think you believe in anything enough to advocate for it.

 

[Seeds]

and the degree to which one owner can have more than one outlet. plus some teeth in applying journalistic standards.

Yes but i would go much further then that.

 

[jathanas]

Should a person with over $500 million even exist? Maybe we should send them all to the guillotines.

Replying to this because many liked this post, and it wasn't well considered.

So, do we let people worth 200 mil off the hook? What's the magic number? 500 mil seems arbitrary. Who defines what is too much?

Would you trust the Australian government to make that call, or even scarier, to redistribute wealth? Geezus.

 

[Gethelred]

Replying to this because many liked this post, and it wasn't well considered.

So, do we let people worth 200 mil off the hook? What's the magic number? 500 mil seems arbitrary. Who defines what is too much?

Would you trust the Australian government to make that call, or even scarier, to redistribute wealth? Geezus.

Choosing quite deliberately to not trust the government to do it isn't really working all that well, either.

 

[Seeds]

Don't know where I stated the opposite to that. I'd be interested in knowing the degree to which one has to read between the lines before one starts imagining things.

... Seeds, I don't think you're an advocate of anything because I don't think you believe in anything enough to advocate for it.

You just typed I dont advocate for anything while simultaneously quoting a post where Ive just advocated for free trade.