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Sydney can't get it again they just converted ANZ to a rectangular stadium meaning they are in the same s**t as Brisbane
Summer Should Melbourne Bid For The 2028 Games
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RussellEbertHandball
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Based on what?
Boundary to Boundary Kardinia Park is 170m x 115m I can't find an official fence to fence measure but lets assume its the standard 5m all round which would make it 180m x 125m fence to fence. A track fits nicely inside those dimensions as per the diagram below. You can get away with only having one side of the track that has the jumping events you don't need wide long run/triple jump/pole vault areas on both sides of the track.
The MCG Fence to Fence is 173.6m x 148.4m playing dimension for AFL is 160m x 141m boundary to boundary. For the Comm games they chiseled out 5 or 6 rows at the Punt Rd end IRRC so the track would fit with the relevant overflow area. There was plenty of unused area on the side. Look at picture below and see all that wasted space on the MCC members side of the ground, with the 2 jumping run ups on the AFL members side
So Kardinia Park doesn't need stands to be pulled down. Maybe 2 or 3 rows of seats on the side need to be chiseled out the length of the long jump run up and then re cemented when finished.
If you want the full dimensions read the IAAF 2008 technical manual on tracks.
https://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=77c027b0-46b8-405d-9ffd-889fa28e3f6e.pdf&urlslug=IAAF Track and Field Facilities Manual 2008 Edition - Chapters
But this digram is the best one if you want to do the maths yourself
http://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=90af96aa-3d93-4e8f-a295-40c0c971c20f.pdf
https://www.pl-linemarking.co.uk/400-metre-track-dimensions.html
Look at all that wasted space on the MCC members side of the ground
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Melbourne hosted the Commonwealth Games in 2006. Photo: Getty
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RussellEbertHandball
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No they haven't, its an oval still. They haven't said when they will convert it and the funding isn't locked in.
June this year the redevelopment had blown out from $750m to $1.1bil and peple inside the NSW government are pushing to spend the money at Moore park. Nothing has been signed off and committed on ANZ being redeveloped.
If it did get redevelopment that doesn't stop Sydney bidding again. You just build a modular one like London Olympic Stadium that was going to go from 85k capacity to 25k capacity but tenders were put out to use it and West Ham won and currently is in its second season of using it as their home ground.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/5c69080f2f3ef91ce2f0a6abfab8947c
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So they will be forced to build a stadium that will have no use after the games are done. You don't get crowds in Sydney. They struggle to get 20k to the NRL we would anyone want to build another 60-80k seat stadium?
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Who knows, Sydney probably wont get the Olympics again before 2048 and who knows what their sporting needs will be by then, so given how much the landscape has changed in 17 years, I'm not sure anyone knows what it will be like in 24 years time when a bid for 2048 would be put in given a 7 year lag time by the IOC to build things.
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Just not sure that we should be bidding for the Olympics again in any foreseeable time frame as there is so much else that our major cities need to spend that money on. Many use the argument of 'it will encourage spending on important infrastructure', but that spending tends to be targeted around the main venues and village and is not being directed at the growth fringes around the metro areas. Even Sydney largely band-aided their PT system and airport to cope in 2000, and their system is again creaking in 2017. I suppose that at least a good legacy of the Sydney Olympics was a new rail line to the airport and the Homebush precinct. On the downside, many of Sydney's Olympic venues have had to be adapted to other uses or modified significantly ... take 'Stadium Australia' as a case in point.
Melbourne certainly shouldn't waste a dollar bidding again because it will never get the AOC's backing (they are firmly on the record "That Melbourne is too big", "To cold", and "cannot accommodate the Games within a reasonable time window of the Northern Hemisphere summer sports seasons" (Not my words BTW ... the AOC's)). Besides, Melbourne can much better invest $6 billion widening the Hume Freeway out to Wallan and Melton, upgrading its train system capacity and extending its suburban train services out to those areas where up to 1 million more people will be living within the next decade.
Let Melbourne keep it's world class venues for hosting things that it is good at, and tell the AOC and the IOC to firmly shove the Olympic Games up their collective clacker's, we're not interested either!
Melbourne certainly shouldn't waste a dollar bidding again because it will never get the AOC's backing (they are firmly on the record "That Melbourne is too big", "To cold", and "cannot accommodate the Games within a reasonable time window of the Northern Hemisphere summer sports seasons" (Not my words BTW ... the AOC's)). Besides, Melbourne can much better invest $6 billion widening the Hume Freeway out to Wallan and Melton, upgrading its train system capacity and extending its suburban train services out to those areas where up to 1 million more people will be living within the next decade.
Let Melbourne keep it's world class venues for hosting things that it is good at, and tell the AOC and the IOC to firmly shove the Olympic Games up their collective clacker's, we're not interested either!
The next Summer Olympic host will be decided in 2025, plenty of time for cities to decide they would like to host the 2032 Games.
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That's how it usually works.
You don't need to a stadium with all the trimmings (for want of a better word) if it's just for one event and then a lifetime of athletic meetings in front of 500 people. The stadium can be fairly basic while you put the amenities and food vans on the outside. That was the original intention for London Stadium before they eventually found a football team to play in it.
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You won't hear me say this very often, but I am inclined to agree with 'Seedsfan'. Brisbane should also be firmly ruled out as even Peter Beatie (Former Premier and head of the 2018 Comm Games) recently conceded that the Olympic Games in Brisbane would cost billions and need to be almost totally supported Federally. Even Melbourne wouldn't get much spare change for $5 billion.
And ask yourselves, what are the real benefits?
- We spend upwards of $6 billion to put on a two week long party for the rest of the world?
- We spend upwards of $6 billion to shine the light on an Australian city for 2 weeks which will quickly be forgotten?
- We spend upwards of $6 billion to target development around sports precincts and not around our health, education, roadways and public transport systems across the entire metro area of the annointed city?
- Ask yourselves. Did Sydney really boom after the 2000 Olympics? (Answer ... NO! It went into decline and has been in decline against Melbourne for the last 15 years)
- Does Australia really need to host an Olympic Games for a third time? Consider that there are 170 countries (six of them far richer than we are) out there which have never hosted the Games.
In the mean time, pull your heads in.
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Oh I'm definitely against the Australian Government ever paying to get the Olympics again.
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Geez ... as a North Melbourne supporter you won't often get me agreeing with an Essendon supporter ... have a great day 'Bomberboy'
I'm a massive Olympic fan and have been to the past 3. But I agree entirely that it is not worth the cost involved to host them. Unfortunately the security budget of holding these events has blown totally out of control. Add in the corruption of organisations such as the ioc and Fifa, it's not logical to host the event.
On the statement of Sydney being in decline for the past 17 years, maybe its a good idea if Melbourne host. We need a reason for people to stop moving here! Population increase and lack of infrastructure to keep up will eventually lead to this place not being great to live in.
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Yes, we have to consider would $6 billion spent by us preparing a city to host equate to $6 billion or greater in spin offs and investment? The Sydney games cost $2.5 billion in 2000, since then we have had 9/11, and thousands of terror attacks around the world, two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) and potential for a cyber attack from North Korea.
Wht I do remember of the Sydney Olympics was that our dollar inexplicably crashed to 45 cents US just before the games and it mysteriously crept back up after the games. Conspiracy to give the visitors a cheap holiday at our expense? What did we benefit from that even back then apart form Mr Samaranch declaring "best Olympics ever" ... pffft! Means nothing now.
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It crashed because there was a massive dot com tech bubble in USA which the cocaine snorters on wall street were saying to the world that if you aren't full of internet businesses then you are a backward country and we are going to mark your currency down. The thenn Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina ( who was sacked for her incompetence and was a miserable failure as a candidate for the republican senate and presidential nomination in 2012 and 2016 respectively) came to Sydney in the lead up to the Olympics and gave a speech saying Australia should get out of mining and agriculture and throw all its resource into becoming a high tech internet based country. That would have worked out well for Oz if we listened to her and lost out out a dozen years of China resources boom.
And you have a poor memory. The Australia dollar hit rock bottom against the USD around 1st of April 2001 at just over 48 cents. What was the Olympic laggard affect causing that in your opinion??
Here you go the The RBA historical daily exchange rate between 1999-2002
https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/tables/xls-hist/1999-2002.xls
1-Aug-2000 0.5806
2-Aug-2000 0.5831
3-Aug-2000 0.5865
4-Aug-2000 0.5847
7-Aug-2000 CLOSED
8-Aug-2000 0.5872
9-Aug-2000 0.5828
10-Aug-2000 0.5815
11-Aug-2000 0.5823
14-Aug-2000 0.5797
15-Aug-2000 0.5833
16-Aug-2000 0.5875
17-Aug-2000 0.5908
18-Aug-2000 0.5933
21-Aug-2000 0.5899
22-Aug-2000 0.5900
23-Aug-2000 0.5705
24-Aug-2000 0.5728
25-Aug-2000 0.5715
28-Aug-2000 0.5734
29-Aug-2000 0.5744
30-Aug-2000 0.5713
31-Aug-2000 0.5748
1-Sep-2000 0.5748
4-Sep-2000 0.5768
5-Sep-2000 0.5735
6-Sep-2000 0.5668
7-Sep-2000 0.5639
8-Sep-2000 0.5593
11-Sep-2000 0.5585
12-Sep-2000 0.5573
13-Sep-2000 0.5547
14-Sep-2000 0.5498
15-Sep-2000 0.5501 Opening ceremony
18-Sep-2000 0.5433
19-Sep-2000 0.5435
20-Sep-2000 0.5403
21-Sep-2000 0.5386
22-Sep-2000 0.5464
25-Sep-2000 0.5465
26-Sep-2000 0.5503
27-Sep-2000 0.5488
28-Sep-2000 0.5498
29-Sep-2000 0.5433
2-Oct-2000 CLOSED
3-Oct-2000 0.5440
4-Oct-2000 0.5363
5-Oct-2000 0.5360
6-Oct-2000 0.5315
9-Oct-2000 0.5343
10-Oct-2000 0.5304
11-Oct-2000 0.5337
12-Oct-2000 0.5307
13-Oct-2000 0.5298
16-Oct-2000 0.5275
17-Oct-2000 0.5214
18-Oct-2000 0.5203
19-Oct-2000 0.5181
20-Oct-2000 0.5277
23-Oct-2000 0.5279
24-Oct-2000 0.5268
25-Oct-2000 0.5272
26-Oct-2000 0.5190
27-Oct-2000 0.5195
14-Mar-2001 0.5027
15-Mar-2001 0.4956
16-Mar-2001 0.4944
19-Mar-2001 0.4978
20-Mar-2001 0.5005
21-Mar-2001 0.5014
22-Mar-2001 0.4927
23-Mar-2001 0.4945
26-Mar-2001 0.4926
27-Mar-2001 0.4988
28-Mar-2001 0.4994
29-Mar-2001 0.4934
30-Mar-2001 0.4890
2-Apr-2001 0.4857
3-Apr-2001 0.4833
4-Apr-2001 0.4874
5-Apr-2001 0.4923
6-Apr-2001 0.4931
9-Apr-2001 0.4947
10-Apr-2001 0.4943
11-Apr-2001 0.4990
12-Apr-2001 0.5049
13-Apr-2001 CLOSED
16-Apr-2001 CLOSED
17-Apr-2001 0.5112
18-Apr-2001 0.5008
19-Apr-2001 0.5034
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Thank you for correcting that, but time also proved that the dot.com thing was all froth and bubble too, not unlike the hype surrounding the hosting of the Olympics. After looking at the cities that have hosted the games since 1996 let's consider what the benefit for them has been and the legacy of what people remember those games for:
- 1996 - Atlanta (great venues, poor organisation, poorly trained volunteers, city was swamped by tourists beyond the organisers wildest forecasts)
- 2000 - Sydney (great venues, major upgrades to city's public transport links, rated best organised games ever. Squabbling and infighting at SOCOG, embroiled into the scandal of how it won the right to host games along with other cities preceding the games, and city went into a long post Olympic Games hangover)
- 2004 - Athens (great and very expensive venues, but organisation preceding the games was atrocious, some venues were not completed by the games, the games were poorly patronised with many empty venues during the games, the games contributed to Greece's burgeoning debt costing $5.5 billion, and today most venues are abandoned and in decay)
- 2008 - Beijing (Smog, smog, smog ... can anybody remember these games or any sweeping vista footage of the city of Beijing? No, because they couldn't film anything beyond 1km of visual range)
- 2012 - London (great venues, arguably better organised than Sydney's, people really embraced it, but really did London really need the Olympics to self promote?)
- 2016 - Rio (what will we remember these games for? Shonky venues and games village, whinging athletes, or the athletes being locked away and insulated from the rest of the city because of security and crime concerns?)
RussellEbertHandball
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That analysis has about as much depth as a flea's footprint.
Moody Blue
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I work with a number of Chinese colleagues and their perception of Australia is interesting. We are the most over governed country in the world and all we do is talk, spend money looking at projects and then do nothing. Globalization has toughened up Third world countries, whereas it has made us soft and whining.
In 25 years China will simply take what they want and nobody will lift a finger to stop it.
Moody Blue
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The politicians and bureaucrats need to be able to parade around to show how important they are. How much did Brazil and Greece spend on their Olympics and within months most of the venues fell into disrepair or were abandoned. The politicians milked it for everything.
Don't believe everything you read. I wanted to test the theory out myself that the Olympic Park in Athens was abandoned and unused. Categorically incorrect. I went in 2016 and the veldorome was being used by the national Greek cycling team for training and was holding a European cycling classic later that month. The basketball stadium was used by panathaniakos, a European basketball power, as their home court. Tennis courts were being used. The swimming pool had people training. People were training in various athletics events in the main Olympic stadium.
In Beijing the Olympic Park is a tourist hotspot and the water cube is now a water adventure park, the birds nest is used for a variety of events and the veldorome still used.
One thing that is plainly obvious is that the media drive the negative agenda in regards to cities that are hosting the Olympics or the aftermath.
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What about all the other venues in Athens? The media are the one's that talk it up and sell it in the first place. Athens could not afford the Olympics or to be in the Euro, Brazil is now in hangover mode and counting the cost of a 14 day party. The Olympics used to be about the athletes. Now it is about a country's prestige. Look at the IOC & AOC. All of the pigs snouts in the trough. They spend more on the officials than they do on the athletes. Then we had the bribery and millions that lined the pockets of Samaranch and his cronies. Australia had the biggest pig of the lot in Kevin Gosper....
Media talk up an Olympics? It's the same in every build up. Everything is going wrong, stadiums won't be finished, pollution, traffic. It's 90% negative to the lead up of every Olympics. I've been to the past 3 and all great in their own way.
Those venues I listed in Athens are all in the Olympic Park precinct which had all the negative press afterwards saying it was in ruins and not used. Simply not true.
because you were a tourist
that is who the games are aimed at
what the hell will they do with the very large population of Melbourne that a sleeping rough? They will sweep them wherever they can manage
Give it to Tassie.
OK - jokes aside. After Paris and LA have their financial disasters in '24 and '28 (and they will), no western country will want to hold the Games and spend the dosh on useless construction projects. It will be left to the billionaire oil-rich Gulf states. Or any other despotic country governed by a ruling elite who have robbed the local population blind (take your pick - there's lots).
Otherwise, Melbourne should put in a bid. 'Stadium? - MCG right there. Swimming - MSAC is fine. Other indoor sports - Rod Laver, Hisense, Etihad. Outdoor? OK . AAMI park for a start. Equestrian - Werribee Park. Rowing - Patterson River. Sailing - Oh, I don't know - maybe - the sea?'.
We have enough existing infrastructure. We don't need new ones. Neither do the competitors. A few temporary stands here and there, some scaffolding for cameras. Done. Tell the IOC Sporting Venues board to get f*cked. If they want new buildings - go ask Qatar.
So, yeah - we won't get it.
OK - jokes aside. After Paris and LA have their financial disasters in '24 and '28 (and they will), no western country will want to hold the Games and spend the dosh on useless construction projects. It will be left to the billionaire oil-rich Gulf states. Or any other despotic country governed by a ruling elite who have robbed the local population blind (take your pick - there's lots).
Otherwise, Melbourne should put in a bid. 'Stadium? - MCG right there. Swimming - MSAC is fine. Other indoor sports - Rod Laver, Hisense, Etihad. Outdoor? OK . AAMI park for a start. Equestrian - Werribee Park. Rowing - Patterson River. Sailing - Oh, I don't know - maybe - the sea?'.
We have enough existing infrastructure. We don't need new ones. Neither do the competitors. A few temporary stands here and there, some scaffolding for cameras. Done. Tell the IOC Sporting Venues board to get f*cked. If they want new buildings - go ask Qatar.
So, yeah - we won't get it.
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Yeah .. anywhere but Melbourne, the IOC and the AOC can take their five rings and shove them firmly somewhere else.
