Politics Yuri Besmenov: How to brainwash a Nation

[dvp15]

Former KGB agent who was trained in subversion techniques. This interview was recorded in 1984, where he explains the 4 basic steps to socially engineering entire generations into thinking and behaving the way those in power want them to.

Full interview:

 

[Gough]

Lemme guess, everyone has fallen for this but you. That's how these things usually go.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Lemme guess, everyone has fallen for this but you. That's how these things usually go.

Coming from someone who still thinks soros is a good guy....Then i'm not so sure you should be commenting here at all.

 

[Seeds]

Coming from someone who still thinks soros is a good guy....Then i'm not so sure you should be commenting here at all.

who is soros? ive never heard of him except on this forum.

 

[Procrastinator35]

who is soros? ive never heard of him except on this forum.

Oh dear!....Google is your friend.

 

[Seeds]

Oh dear!....Google is your friend.

you dismiss the regulated msm but happily advocate the unregulated google. Yeah nah Im not going there.

 

[Procrastinator35]

you dismiss the regulated msm but happily advocate the unregulated google. Yeah nah Im not going there.

Try another browser then....If you want to access stuff without Big Brother watching your every move.

 

[The Passenger]

I really preferred the conspiracy theorists of yesteryear.

* the man, * the government, * jobs, Money corrupts. All whilst giving of vague notions of peace, love and power to the people.

They also made good characters in movies.

But it's been overrun by the "They took our jobs" crowd. What self respecting conspiracy theorist wants a job anyway? That's how the government makes money to keep the wheels churning.

 

[donkeypunchd]

Weren’t very successful at the whole brainwashing thing were they considering the Soviet system collapsed within 7 years of this interview.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Weren’t very successful at the whole brainwashing thing were they considering the Soviet system collapsed within 7 years of this interview.

The jury is still out. We have neo-Marxist ideology prevalent in Western universities, schools, public service and corporations.

 

[Demons09]

Try another browser then....If you want to access stuff without Big Brother watching your every move.

Lol

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The jury is still out. We have neo-Marxist ideology prevalent in Western universities, schools, public service and corporations.

Are you claiming anti-capitalist ideology is prevalent throughout capitalist corporations?

 

[donkeypunchd]

The jury is still out. We have neo-Marxist ideology prevalent in Western universities, schools, public service and corporations.

Define ‘neo-marxism’.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Define ‘neo-marxism’.

Their understanding of it has everything to do with race and identity.

It has precisely nothing to do with Marxism.

 

[RupieDupie]

Former KGB agent who was trained in subversion techniques. This interview was recorded in 1984, where he explains the 4 basic steps to socially engineering entire generations into thinking and behaving the way those in power want them to.

Full interview:

Doesn’t seem too hard though - a supernatural being created the Universe, democracy can work in an ultra hierarchical society, we vote for people who are going to represent us, house prices are reasonable and people should eat cat food to mortgage one - plebs are everywhere, they are the NPCs programmed to behave exactly as the system expects.

My feeling is one goal of this game we are playing is to find other players (like what was expected in No Man’s Sky) in this mass of NPCs, like in The Symposium’s Aristophanes, the broken halves trying to find the whole.

 

[RupieDupie]

Doesn’t seem too hard though - a supernatural being created the Universe, democracy can work in an ultra hierarchical society, we vote for people who are going to represent us, house prices are reasonable and people should eat cat food to mortgage one - plebs are everywhere, they are the NPCs programmed to behave exactly as the system expects.

My feeling is one goal of this game we are playing is to find other players (like what was expected in No Man’s Sky) in this mass of NPCs, like in The Symposium’s Aristophanes, the broken halves trying to find the whole.

The irony here is if you create a nation of brain dead idiots, other countries can manipulate your country like brain dead idiots. If you give people agency, they will be capable of reason, and will not give this up in fear of Facebook comments which claim that homosexuality will lead to beastiality. Dumb fook leaders lead to and are the product of dumb fook people.

 

[RupieDupie]

The irony here is if you create a nation of brain dead idiots, other countries can manipulate your country like brain dead idiots. If you give people agency, they will be capable of reason, and will not give this up in fear of Facebook comments which claim that homosexuality will lead to beastiality. Dumb fook leaders lead to and are the product of dumb fook people.

Further to this, if people are, for no reason, other than to give a few investors more munny they don’t actually need, being financially stressed and the Gubmint is stating this is due to e.g. brown people, the price of oil in Tahiti, and that there’s nothing the current Gubmint can do to tackle this “issue”, and also if anyone thinks about this for the two seconds and realise this is crap that they are automatically trying to take away other people’s religious freedoms or hurt mom-and-pop investors, the whole country is primed for Russia to get on Facebook and help elect in Pauline Hanson.

People might laugh, but who would have thunk that the most powerful country of 200M + people were coerced into voting in Trump? And that not that long ago The Murdoch Press ensured we voted in Abbott.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Are you claiming anti-capitalist ideology is prevalent throughout capitalist corporations?

Their understanding of it has everything to do with race and identity.

It has precisely nothing to do with Marxism.

KV delivers the smack

 

[Frank Bunn]

Are you claiming anti-capitalist ideology is prevalent throughout capitalist corporations?

Not talking about economics and neither is Besmenov. I'm talking about cultural Marxism. The guff that has stemmed from critical theory and postmodernism, such as identity politics.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Not talking about economics and neither is Besmenov. I'm talking about cultural Marxism. The guff that has stemmed from critical theory and postmodernism, such as identity politics.

Yeah, just to confirm that has nothing to do with Marxism.

Cultural marxism is a made up term made by white nationalists; the very term itself is a declaration of identity politics.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Yeah, just to confirm that has nothing to do with Marxism.

Cultural marxism is a made up term made by white nationalists; the very term itself is a declaration of identity politics.

All terms are made up.

But no one in their right minds these days would describe themselves as any kind of Marxist. The left are so embarrassed by the label they deem anyone who uses the term cultural Marxism as a fascist. And right on cue...

Even the Frankfurt School tried to downplay their Marxist roots when they shifted to the USA by using the term 'Critical Theory'. So as such, the term 'cultural Marxism' is used to describe political positions rather than one of self-identification. But the movement derives from Marxism and it has a cultural focus - so the term is fitting.

Prominent neo-Marxist, Antonio Gramsci, recognised that a battle of physical might ('war of maneuver') to overwhelm the coercive apparatus of the state would be impossible. Instead he advocated a 'war of position' i.e. a resistance to domination with culture as its foundation. It's a process of changing the social foundations of the state by creating alternative institutions and alternative intellectual resources within existing society. "Cultural policy will above all be negative, a critique of the past; it will be aimed at erasing from the memory and at destroying".

What the term 'critical' actually means is to criticise power structures within the context of liberating people from their oppression. So it's a top down approach where everything is viewed in the light of fighting oppression or reducing power differentials. It derives from the Marxist premise that all problems in human life stem from an unjust society and that corrections to that social mechanism will eventually bring utopia. Everything is subordinate to that assumed and usually unstated outlook - whether it is freedom of speech, scientific truth or education goals. The problem is that the premise is false.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

All terms are made up.

But no one in their right minds these days would describe themselves as any kind of Marxist. The left are so embarrassed by the label they deem anyone who uses the term cultural Marxism as a fascist. And right on cue...

Even the Frankfurt School tried to downplay their Marxist roots when they shifted to the USA by using the term 'Critical Theory'. So as such, the term 'cultural Marxism' is used to describe political positions rather than one of self-identification. But the movement derives from Marxism and it has a cultural focus - so the term is fitting.

It has a cultural focus so the term Marxist is fitting? No. That makes no sense.

And the original term was 'cultural Bolshevism' which came from the national socialists in Germany. It's become a dopey catch all term. It gets applied to disparate groups like entertainment, schools, unis, media government. It's technical definition is now 'anything that makes a ethnocentric conservative a bit squeamish'.

The notion that a small group of obscure jewish intellectuals in a dying part of academia have established the cultural tone of the West is just ******* dumb. It's use is built for the paranoid and conspiratorial, as Anders Brevik showed.

 

[Proud SJW]

Weren’t very successful at the whole brainwashing thing were they considering the Soviet system collapsed within 7 years of this interview.

The former is not the reason for the latter.

 

[HairyO]

The jury is still out. We have neo-Marxist ideology prevalent in Western universities, schools, public service

Have been for 80 years. Kept under control by the knowledge that someone has to work hard to pay them.

 

[donkeypunchd]

All terms are made up.

But no one in their right minds these days would describe themselves as any kind of Marxist. The left are so embarrassed by the label they deem anyone who uses the term cultural Marxism as a fascist. And right on cue...

Even the Frankfurt School tried to downplay their Marxist roots when they shifted to the USA by using the term 'Critical Theory'. So as such, the term 'cultural Marxism' is used to describe political positions rather than one of self-identification. But the movement derives from Marxism and it has a cultural focus - so the term is fitting.

Prominent neo-Marxist, Antonio Gramsci, recognised that a battle of physical might ('war of maneuver') to overwhelm the coercive apparatus of the state would be impossible. Instead he advocated a 'war of position' i.e. a resistance to domination with culture as its foundation. It's a process of changing the social foundations of the state by creating alternative institutions and alternative intellectual resources within existing society. "Cultural policy will above all be negative, a critique of the past; it will be aimed at erasing from the memory and at destroying".

What the term 'critical' actually means is to criticise power structures within the context of liberating people from their oppression. So it's a top down approach where everything is viewed in the light of fighting oppression or reducing power differentials. It derives from the Marxist premise that all problems in human life stem from an unjust society and that corrections to that social mechanism will eventually bring utopia. Everything is subordinate to that assumed and usually unstated outlook - whether it is freedom of speech, scientific truth or education goals. The problem is that the premise is false.

That’s a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of Marxism. Marx & Engels saw society as simply a superstructure of the existing economic relations, and focused on changing the basis of economic relations; Engels wrote much more on the subject of social conditions & historical materialism than Marx did and Engels was pretty adamant in ‘Origins of the State, Family and Private Property’ that the tribal societies he classified as ‘primitive communist’ were so solely due to their relations to the means of production. No one important in the western left seriously advocates a change of economic model - sure they’re all for bank taxes, the welfare state, perhaps nationalisation of certain services etc but these could be characterised as ‘reformist’ demands and certainly aren’t what Marx would have envisaged as progressive in his writings, concerned as he was with destroying the economic base of capitalism to allow for socialism.

As for associating Marxism with Bolshevism, it’s undoubtedly true that the Bolsheviks attempted to implement a number of the 10 demands from the Communist Manifesto as part of War Communism (particularly the idea of the ‘labour army’), but the Bolsheviks ignored the fact that Marx had changed his views on Russia by the end of his life to suggest that the village Mir collectives were a more conducive method to introduce socialism into Tsarist Russia than the stagist approach advocated by the Bolshevik leadership pre October 1917. Leninism’s elitist fixation with the idea of a vanguard party was Lenin’s own idea, and he encountered significant resistance to these ideas from other prominent revolutionary socialists like Rosa Luxembourg and Emma Goldman. Trotsky too argued against the idea of the vanguard party until April 1917. Marx can be rightly blamed for arguing that violent revolution was necessary to change capitalism, but he never wrote anything about vanguardism.