Mandatory detention of refugees (Stop the boats. 5k a head. Part 2)

[Herne Hill Hammer]

It’s great for our country to have a prime minister suggest medical evacuations from offshore detention centres are a grave threat to us

Let's wait and see what happens when Labor wins and we tie it in with this.

If stuff all happens then you can crow about it.

We are a country of softcocks led by softcocks and soon to be led by another bunch of softcocks with a leader that people like even less than ScoMo.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

they've been there for 7+ years or so and it's costing the taxpayer something in the order of $1bn a year to keep these facilities open, just for political victories, so, wtf should we do with these people?

How much would it have cost us if they kept pouring in, in the numbers they were? Money well spent in my opinion, however it will basically have been pissed up against the wall if Labor open the floodgates again when they win

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Labor being "weak on borders" is electoral poison and they have just sided with the Greens to do just that. Could be another Tampa moment.

I agree but it won't be enough.

If they **** it up and they flood in again, I will never, ever vote Labor again as long as I live.

 

[Art Corvelay]

Even the ABC agrees. See links in article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935372

Yes, I’ve seen that before.

Semantically true, but as the article concludes, they’ve broken no Australian or International law.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

It’s a term used to demonise a group of people.

Professor Schloenhardt told ABC Fact Check that it is acceptable to refer to people coming to Australia without visas (including those who are not asylum seekers) as "illegal immigrants".
However, on a practical level, he says that "illegal implies that a criminal offence has been committed, which asylum seekers have not, and for that reason it is preferable to use different vocabulary".

 

[Juddism]

How much would it have cost us if they kept pouring in, in the numbers they were? Money well spent in my opinion, however it will basically have been pissed up against the wall if Labor open the floodgates again when they win

are you suggesting they'll be arriving by boat in the near future because of this amended legislation?

the legislation relates only to those currently in detention and nobody else, the question again remains, what do we do with them?

today, and yesterday, and the day before, we allowed ex amount in and they will do precisely what those by boat are attempting to do, only difference is that they arrive by plane and then vanish into the population.

 

[Art Corvelay]

today, and yesterday, and the day before, we allowed ex amount in and they will do precisely what those by boat are attempting to do, only difference is that they arrive by plane and then vanish into the population.

This argument is constantly ignored in threads like this.

 

[Juddism]

Their options are as followed:
- Stay in PNG/Nauru
- Return to their home country
- Apply for a visa to America
- Apply for a visa to another country that isn’t Australia/NZ (there have been several that have been successful gaining a visa to Canada)

Most of those who have stayed are only doing so in hope of a change of government and change of policy that’ll allow them to come to Australia.

suggest you get your facts right.

the people on those islands are still waiting to have their refugee status determined, you can't just apply for a visa, wtf planet are you living on?

The US is particularly slow in progressing the matter and some won't go there due to safety concerns in the US.

Cambodia deal has lapsed.

NZ is not an option.

 

[Pessimistic]

I agree but it won't be enough.

If they **** it up and they flood in again, I will never, ever vote Labor again as long as I live.

They are flooding in now apparently, just not by boat

 

[sherb]

 

[Art Corvelay]

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You’d put good money on a boat arrival or 2 leaking to the media before the election, when no previous arrivals have been reported.

 

[Gough]

With real wages on the decline, cost of living rising, the country in the grip of environmental disasters and banks on the nose if this government want to fight the election on border security, let them I say.

 

[Lebbo73]

We did our job honestly and humanely, sweetheart. Thanks for your money though.

You can’t demand your money back if you don’t pay any income taxes in the first place.

 

[Elroo]

You can’t demand your money back if you don’t pay any income taxes in the first place.

Tim Wilson doesn't agree with you!

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

This argument is constantly ignored in threads like this.

Because it's a shit argument comparing boat arrivals and plane arrivals.

It's not ignored. This argument has been done to death in these threads.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

With real wages on the decline, cost of living rising, the country in the grip of environmental disasters and banks on the nose if this government want to fight the election on border security, let them I say.

It's the only winner they have and it won't be anywhere near enough.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[sherb]

Good article by KM.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...tr4dhDd1gT2s116EzElTIvmeSkpircs_eNQ80u23Sm84Q

 

[Craven Morehead]

Something is not adding up here.
Old mate from Manus Island here claims a military background which he had...

I enjoyed the military however had achieved everything I wanted to by the time I left.

Yet he was on Manus at the age of 22.
The minimum age to join the ADF is 17.
The general, minimal term of service is 6 years.
So, he was either the greatest junior soldier the world has ever seen or he copped a dishonourable discharge before his time was up. Which I doubt would look good on a resume for this 'great job' on Manus.
In another thread he also claims active service in Afghanistan which, of course, was extremely convenient at the time, for the context of the thread.

So much bullshit.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Something is not adding up here.
Old mate from Manus Island here claims a military background which he had...


Yet he was on Manus at the age of 22.
The minimum age to join the ADF is 17.
The general, minimal term of service is 6 years.
So, he was either the greatest junior soldier the world has ever seen or he copped a dishonourable discharge before his time was up. Which I doubt would look good on a resume for this 'great job' on Manus.
In another thread he also claims active service in Afghanistan which, of course, was extremely convenient at the time, for the context of the thread.

So much bullshit.

3 years not 6

 

[Craven Morehead]

3 years not 6

Then if he accepted a ROSO of 3 years, he is very easily satisfied in having achieved everything he wanted.
I still smell bullshit.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Then if he accepted a ROSO of 3 years, he is very easily satisfied in having achieved everything he wanted.
I still smell bullshit.

Not questioning your opinion, just correcting the term of service minimum (which for some post graduates can even be as little as 12 months service now but unlikely for most general service enlistments)

 

[Sainteric]

This argument is constantly ignored in threads like this.

No it's not it's just lefty fantasy .

The vast amount of over stays coming by plane are young working holiday visa types the vast majority go home with there own money.

The vast majority who come here by boat would never get a visa for a plane anyway, and are economic refugees.

 

[Sainteric]

Ever heard of investigate journalism? They'd do a piece if it was true. Instead you and your colleagues just brood in silence while calling everyone who disagrees a radical leftist

Investigative journalism is dead, you get nothing but ideological crap that they try to bend the facts to fit. Left out out of the ABC and Fairfax or right out of news.

 

[Gough]

Duts crapping on about taking the advice of experts is laughable. What's your climate policy dickhead?

 

[Craven Morehead]

Not questioning your opinion, just correcting the term of service minimum (which for some post graduates can even be as little as 12 months service now but unlikely for most general service enlistments)

The story so far...
He claims of rampaging Sudanese gangs in Brisbane, despite being categorically, and correctly, refuted by the Police Commissioner and Premier. He lives in Brisbane and he knows better.
Claims that Fraser Anning lived just up the road from him. Despite Gladstone being ~500km from the Brisbane CBD.
Suddenly claims in another thread that he saw active service in Afghanistan which gave him authority to, yet again, castigate brown people.
He is suddenly one of the very few people to have 'served' on Manus Island and claims the Qld Coroner is either a liar, a left wing refugee sympathist or basically corrupt.
There is a pattern forming here and this is either one of the worlds greatest coincidences, or he's a pathological liar.