Review Bad, Ugly, and Horrendous vs Hawks

[Viva la Mattner]

Was it 2010 that we lost Porplyzia in a Round 1 Hawthorn game?

2011 in our 20th anniversary game - Smith came on as a substitute for his debut from memory

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Forget the fact he was by no means our worse player .....but using that decision as a reason for the loss, shows the shallowness of your ability to analyze a football match

This is just analysis from the bottom of a beer glass

Mackay or McHenry or whoever we picked in that spot has no impact on the game, sure.

But what it confirmed is that we are going full bore again with the careful, conservative, safety-first, risk-averse policy that has been our calling card. Uninspiring and passionless.

Yep, it's only one decision and in isolation means little... but it showcases the attitude of the coaches/selectors. And they ultimately are the ones who make ALL our decisions.

 

[Elite Crow]

No, what I am saying is the players all covered themselves in excuse making when they started putting these types of performances out on the regular last season.

Last yer they screamed long and loud it was "camp". I started in by saying what is their excuse this year? Cause that product was identical to last seasons "camp".

I don't at all think it's out of bounds to call them out.

As or the board, I see a hell of a lot of its the "coaches" excuses.

That won't fly with me--sorry, but these players --the same ones that said everything was "camp" last year, just put up the same effort and result to start if the season.

Next week better be a very different display or this season is going down the toilet fast

What’s there excuse this year? You mean 1 game in?

Everyone is copping it, coaches and players. I’m not sure what you want, they all sucked.

The players didn’t say everything was camp last year, you are making that up. Last year was a an off-field shit show. They ****ed up off-field, a combination of a horrendous injury count and poor player management to a a ridiculous camp and the failure to handle the fall out. You are in denial if you don’t think our football department doesn’t wear the majority of the blame for last year. The players despite all that got 12 wins and missed the finals by 1 game.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Agree on the half back line, Smith and Laird were horrible.

More worried about disposal efficiency % and their SuperCoach score....

 

[AmericanCrow]

What’s there excuse this year? You mean 1 game in?

Everyone is copping it, coaches and players. I’m not sure what you want, they all sucked.

The players didn’t say everything was camp last year, you are making that up. Last year was a an off-field shit show. They ****** up off-field, a combination of a horrendous injury count and poor player management to a a ridiculous camp and the failure to handle the fall out. You are in denial if you don’t think our football department doesn’t wear the majority of the blame for last year. The players despite all that got 12 wins and missed the finals by 1 game.

You and I greatly differ on players "despite all that got 12 wins"

We greatly differ.

We shall see but next week is shaping up to be a damn important game for the players.

Damn important indeed

 

[Elite Crow]

Mackay or McHenry or whoever we picked in that spot has no impact on the game, sure.

But what it confirmed is that we are going full bore again with the careful, conservative, safety-first, risk-averse policy that has been our calling card. Uninspiring and passionless.

Yep, it's only one decision and in isolation means little... but it showcases the attitude of the coaches/selectors. And they ultimately are the ones who make ALL our decisions.

The Mackay selection was a cocky one, let’s bring a guy in who has played one sanfl scratch match, we will be right, we’ve got this anyway.

I agree Mackay wasn’t our worst player but he had 19 possessions, 7 were turnovers. That’s a pretty high turnover percentage.

 

[Elite Crow]

You and I greatly differ on players "despite all that got 12 wins"

We greatly differ.

We shall see but next week is shaping up to be a damn important game for the players.

Damn important indeed

And the coaches. Why are you letting them off the hook?

I know we greatly differ, you’re wrong.

 

[Hugh Jass]

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Here's another one. Obviously a clogged forward line, this is a repeat entry. Kelly is kicking into 50 and there's an obvious bit of space between these players.

But as you can see, the SEVEN players we have inside 50 in that zone are not in any position to lead into that area! This includes Lynch and Walker who are close together on the left of screen. Jenkins is out of screen on the left. Lynch literally does not bother whatsoever to make a contest, Walker can't get there, and then we have a bunch of other blokes closer to the 50 mark who are never going to be effectively utilized from this kick. And there was a period of time that it was obvious the ball is coming back inside 50.

Why are all of Walker, Jenkins and Lynch within 20m of eachother inside 50, but none of them lead into the obvious space available for a kick inside 50? The Hawthorn player knows this is exactly where the kick is going. But not a single player leads into the space or is even in a position to do so despite having plenty of numbers in the area.

The result is a Hawthorn player takes an uncontested mark in a paddock

I remember learning in under 17's that if you put on a lead in this situation, you will create space behind you for your mate to lead into. Never seen a forward line with such a lack of movement.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Mackay or McHenry or whoever we picked in that spot has no impact on the game, sure.

But what it confirmed is that we are going full bore again with the careful, conservative, safety-first, risk-averse policy that has been our calling card. Uninspiring and passionless.

Yep, it's only one decision and in isolation means little... but it showcases the attitude of the coaches/selectors. And they ultimately are the ones who make ALL our decisions.

Jones and Murphy not risks ?.....left Hartigan, Greenwood & Fogarty in the SANFL

I thought Murphy deserved his spot, based on JLT form ....but he was very average, so too Dougy

Talia looked slow as last night ....but like the 2017 GF the Hawks stifled our run off HB ....Milera fumbled every ball all night till the last qtr ...but there was no line breaking run off HB, no springboard

We had no-one to take a mark in the forward 50 .....but for an experienced side, the big factor was the panic in the side, which was so reminiscient of the Grand Final display ......Tex pre-game with his huff & puff again, was cringeworthy

 

[Elite Crow]

I remember learning in under 17's that if you put on a lead in this situation, you will create space behind you for your mate to lead into. Never seen a forward line with such a lack of movement.

The thing is it wasn’t just the forward line with the lack of movement, it was everywhere.

So many times we tried to move the ball from defence and there was no movement so we just bombed it. There was no run.

The Hawks players were at us, they hunted, ran and created movement, that’s why there inside 50s were so much more efficient.

Our players were flat footed. They didn’t work for each other, they didn’t hunt the Hawks players.

Our players were ****ed but how did our coaches not get the players in the right mindset for the game?

 

[mick500]

Zero to Douglas, Jones and Murphy, Betts with 3.

So 3 of our 4 small forwards laid 0 inside 50 tackles. What the ****?

Cameron had a good one for Brisbane yesterday. Could have used him.

 

[Samcro24]

It's so unlike you to jump on a bandwagon to sink the slipper . I thought you'd know better by now than to rattle my chain .
You're smart enough --- or you fake being smart enough, more likely --- to understand logic, so here's some just for you:
--- I explained several times why I watched Keath closely, looking for good things to happen. I repeat, I was happy he was selected and on reflection maybe my perception of his game was distorted by my high expectations of/for him. Reality is like that (see below).
--- I thought Keath had a poor game and said why, specifically, that his use of the ball was ineffective and he takes too long to dispose of it (and that was before I knew his DE was 50%). While Keath was thinking, Hawthorn were setting up.
--- while he had 20 possessions including 6 marks, he had only 2 tackles (the new kid, Jones, had 4!)
--- only 10 of those possessions were effective. By contrast, a week earlier Milera had 29 possessions @ 100% DE. Even you would agree that was a terrific effort.

1) everybody in here is allowed to voice an opinion and back it up with info to support that opinion. Thank you for verifying that, at least .
2) "So far from reality"?? You shouldn't have got me started.
"Reality" is subjective (look it up --- oh wait --- I just remember that you revile Googlers/Googling). One's perception is one's subjective reality, and mine was to be disappointed by Keath's game. You want to argue "reality" with me? Go for it!
Now, the weight of opinion in here is quite the opposite, so I've had to rethink my opinion (something you never do) which would probably change if I watched the game again out of respect for say Kane McGoodwin or jenny61_99, but
a) I don't have access or a copy to do that and
b) I never want to watch that game again. It was painful enough yesterday.
To all those who thought Keath played well, no worries. I won't be attacking you for being eg "silly" or out of touch with reality. He took a few good contested marks, stopping some Hawthorn advances, but 10 times out of 20 he disposed of the ball ineffectively. From maybe 5 of those the ball came back, quick-smart.

Now, off you go Sanders, to look for someone who'll tremble in your mighty shadow. Btw, loooove the new avatar which is big-headed (hence the mighty shadow, I suspect) and cringeworthy. So apt!

I though Keath was shit, Sloane was terrible, but the rest played really, really well.

 

[Crow till I die]

That's basically Clarkson's gameplan. Guard space, and roll that structure all over the ground. We looked like rookies trying to just bomb it in to that. How could we not have been prepared for that, after 6 months of preparation?

+1..spot on

 

[hey shorty]

Nah he’s wrong.

We had players stinking it up everywhere and I mean everywhere.

To single a guy out who I thought in the first half was one of our better players is a joke.

We are far bigger fish to fry than Knight.

I'm not singling him out as such, but we have kids we drafted to play in his specific role, that's why he's under pressure.

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm not singling him out as such, but we have kids we drafted to play in his specific role, that's why he's under pressure.

That may be the case. But we had plenty of players who sucked yesterday and Knight was ok.

 

[CrowBloke]

Go back and watch the players coming onto the ground. Most of them were laughing. Could not believe it. Basically came out bigheaded and laughing without a care in the world. Atkins was the worst.

That would explain it. Pre-game complacency. We're-going-to-win-this.
Pykey should have known that Clarko would have a plan but failed to rein the team in, hence the slow start and feeble loss.

 

[GreyCrow]

A lot of finger pointing going on at times
It’s as if the games motto and Pyke plastered this on the whiteboard pre-match

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That was my thought as well . It seemed as if players were waiting for someone else to do something

 

[Pea Nut]

Yep, 7 to 19. Zero to Douglas, Jones and Murphy, Betts with 3.

So 3 of our 4 small forwards laid 0 inside 50 tackles. What the ****?

They didn't get a chance to lay any tackles. Every ball that was going inside 50 was going in slow and high and was being intercept marked. Jarman ****ing Impey was taking intercept marks. That should tell you all that you need to know.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You and I greatly differ on players "despite all that got 12 wins"

We greatly differ.

We shall see but next week is shaping up to be a damn important game for the players.

Damn important indeed

The coaches pick the players

If they stick with them then it's on them

 

[smileatme]

Pull the brakes up a bit lets go to our first season when we smashed the Hawks, they eventually won the flag, we were not smashed yesterday, we didn't look good ,I still have hope.

 

[CrowBloke]

I though Keath was shit, Sloane was terrible, but the rest played really, really well.

Funny .
I did not say Keath was 'shit'. Said nothing about Sloane at all.

Got anything useful or constructive to say?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Jones and Murphy not risks ?.....left Hartigan, Greenwood & Fogarty in the SANFL

I thought Murphy deserved his spot, based on JLT form ....but he was very average, so too Dougy

Talia looked slow as last night ....but like the 2017 GF the Hawks stifled our run off HB ....Milera fumbled every ball all night till the last qtr ...but there was no line breaking run off HB, no springboard

We had no-one to take a mark in the forward 50 .....but for an experienced side, the big factor was the panic in the side, which was so reminiscient of the Grand Final display ......Tex pre-game with his huff & puff again, was cringeworthy

I haven't watched the game (that treat awaits tomorrow) so can't comment on specifics

But as soon as Mackay was picked (even though we have a largely fit squad and rave about our drafting/development) we still rushed an underdone veteran back in.... and because of a one-week finger injury to Seedsman! Was enough for us to hit the panic button. No wonder our players show no composure.

Everyone would have felt the "Same old Adelaide" vibe emanating from the club as soon as that decision was made.

Contrast that with Port rolling out their draftees. Or even us having four kids on debut in Round 1 2009 at the MCG.

 

[FR0GGY]

I haven't watched the game (that treat awaits tomorrow) so can't comment on specifics

If your looking for something more fun, let the blue supporters back in and then moderate that thread.

 

[Elite Crow]

I haven't watched the game (that treat awaits tomorrow) so can't comment on specifics

But as soon as Mackay was picked (even though we have a largely fit squad and rave about our drafting/development we still rushed an underdone veteran back in.... and because of a one-week finger injury to Seedsman! Was enough for us to hit the panic button. No wonder our players show no composure.

Everyone would have felt the "Same old Adelaide" vibe emanating from the club as soon as that decision was made.

Contrast that with Port rolling out their draftees. Or even us having four kids on debut in Round 1 2009 at the MCG.

Don’t watch the game, I’ll summarise it for you:

Pressure applied
Failure to handle the pressure
Fumble
Bomb the ball
Turnover the ball
Don’t tackle
Don’t run
No movement
Lose bad

Oh and McEvoy smashed Jacobs despite Jacobs ineffectual 31 hit outs, so we are screwed in ruck this year

 

[Crowboto]

Pull the brakes up a bit lets go to our first season when we smashed the Hawks, they eventually won the flag, we were not smashed yesterday, we didn't look good ,I still have hope.

Dude.