Review R14: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Hawthorn Hawks

[George CantStandYa]

Buckley and Lewis dissected us pretty well on On The Couch tonight.

Said that we've become too much a down the line team. Aren't changing the angles enough.

Also pointed out that Walker and Fogarty are both better "fat side players" which means they benefit from switches as there's space to lead into. Thilthorpe is our only down the line clunker.

Our record vs top 8 clubs ("contenders") was brought up.

Buckley said that we're too worried about turnovers against the better teams which is why we go down the line so often. Timid.

feenix67 maybe you might want to tag Jeff

Funny how our offensive coach is employing defensive no risk gameplan

 

[feenix67]

feenix67 maybe you might want to tag Jeff

Funny how our offensive coach is employing defensive no risk gameplan

We probably.misinterpreted what Bucks and Lewis said

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We probably.misinterpreted what Bucks and Lewis said

Here's the snippet

 

[feenix67]

Here's the snippet

I mean, what would they know

 

[Jeffcrowe]

How come it’s taken you this long to post on the game?

You saw Murphy selected and it was nothing.

You saw Nicks sub Pedlar instead of a tall and it’s nothing.

You saw us effectively drop from top scoring team to 4th and it’s nothing. That’s quite an achievement given how many points we racked up in the first 3 weeks.

Oh, the old inability to convert. Is that what you focused on when we were lucky to beat Brisbane, their inability to convert?

It’s Monday , first weekday after the game

Not that long really

I did crack the sh1ts and admittedly lost a bit of interest when Murphy got selected though

Wasn’t one I’d thought we’d win , we should have though like brisbane should have

That’s why I didn’t care less if we were lucky against Brisbane as always know it will swing the other way too

 

[cleanhands]

I mean, what would they know

Amateurs

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I mean, what would they know

Was he talking about the full season was he ?

Never seen a bloke happier after a loss

The bye week is good because you can say anything you want for 2 weeks now and not get caught out

 

[Jeffcrowe]

lol, so you’re suggesting keeping 3 talls in those conditions was the sensible move?

I’m suggesting there is no guarantee we win with subbing a tall

I would have thought a decent idea to sub a tall at the time but feenix saying it was sort of makes me think twice

 

[Mr_Moogle]

tough guy

It's an observation that some people, when they feel backed into a corner, take criticism directed at the club personally. It's weird parasocial behaviour. The club is not your friend. You don't need to get offended on their behalf.

 

[George CantStandYa]

It’s Monday , first weekday after the game

Not that long really

I did crack the sh1ts and admittedly lost a bit of interest when Murphy got selected though

Wasn’t one I’d thought we’d win , we should have though like brisbane should have

That’s why I didn’t care less if we were lucky against Brisbane as always know it will swing the other way too

Come on Jeff, you’ve been straight on here after a win hanging shit.

We lose and it’s taken you 3 days to talk about the game and you’ve posted on other topics. It’s almost like you didn’t want to discuss it…..

As for Murphy, can you see with shit stupid decisions like that, that some posters are still critical of the coach even when we get lucky wins But surely typical shit decisions like this even have you questioning him.

 

[George CantStandYa]

It's an observation that some people, when they feel backed into a corner, take criticism directed at the club personally. It's weird parasocial behaviour. The club is not your friend. You don't need to get offended on their behalf.

But how many games have you played?

 

[George CantStandYa]

I’m suggesting there is no guarantee we win with subbing a tall

I would have thought a decent idea to sub a tall at the time but feenix saying it was sort of makes me think twice

So Murphy selection, stupid sub call.

But nah, we aren’t allowed to be critical of the coach…….

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Buckley and Lewis dissected us pretty well on On The Couch tonight.

Said that we've become too much a down the line team. Aren't changing the angles enough.

Also pointed out that Walker and Fogarty are both better "fat side players" which means they benefit from switches as there's space to lead into. Thilthorpe is our only down the line clunker.

Our record vs top 8 clubs ("contenders") was brought up.

Buckley said that we're too worried about turnovers against the better teams which is why we go down the line so often. Timid.

I wonder if Jordan Lewis remembers calling Nicks an "offensive guru".

 

[BRL121]

It was interesting that Scott on 360 described himself as a defence-first coach.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

You've been blessed to have McRae who has terrific tactical nous and makes/Coaches excellent Game Day strategies and changes.
We've been cursed to have Nicks, who does not.

Examples:
--- the three-tall-Forward line is great on fine, dry days, but Nicks sticks with them in the worst conditions for tall players; it's glaringly/obviously a poor tactic, but he makes no changes.

I went over to the Collingwood match and I was surprised that we decided to play three tall/marking forwards on a wet and very windy day at the MCG.

Thilthorpe (201 cm), Fogarty (192 cm) and Walker (192 cm) kicked 5 goals between them.

Collingwood also played three tall/marking forwards;
Cox (211 cm), Mihocek (192 cm) and Membrey (188 cm) kicked 2 goals between them.

We have played 7 of the other top 9 teams (only Bulldogs to go) and despite many of those matches being in wet, windy conditions our opposition have played Three Tall/Marking forwards in all 7 of these matches. Just because many on this Board have no idea who Ramsden and Ty Gallop are, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Just to make my point crystal clear;

1) I would personally have chosen only 2 tall/marking forwards when the conditions were wet, windy and slippery.

2) Every one of the coaches of the 7 teams competing for the Eight have used the same structure as the Crows despite many of those matches being in wet, windy and slippery conditions.

There must be a lot of dud coaches in the AFL, McRae, Fagan, Hardwick, C Scott etc, etc, etc

 

[George CantStandYa]

I went over to the Collingwood match and I was surprised that we decided to play three tall/marking forwards on a wet and very windy day at the MCG.

Thilthorpe (201 cm), Fogarty (192 cm) and Walker (192 cm) kicked 5 goals between them.

Collingwood also played three tall/marking forwards;
Cox (211 cm), Mihocek (192 cm) and Membrey (188 cm) kicked 2 goals between them.

We have played 7 of the other top 9 teams (only Bulldogs to go) and despite many of those matches being in wet, windy conditions our opposition have played Three Tall/Marking forwards in all 7 of these matches. Just because many on this Board have no idea who Ramsden and Ty Gallop are, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Just to make my point crystal clear;

1) I would personally have chosen only 2 tall/marking forwards when the conditions were wet, windy and slippery.

2) Every one of the coaches of the 7 teams competing for the Eight have used the same structure as the Crows despite many of those matches being in wet, windy and slippery conditions.

There must be a lot of dud coaches in the AFL, McRae, Fagan, Hardwick, C Scott etc, etc, etc

Would those coaches have picked Murphy, subbed a small instead of a tall?

Nicks even said it was 10x slipperier than normal and he still subbed a small. How ****ing dumb is he?

And come on Micochek and Membrey aren’t 34, have severe lack of mobility and should not be playing.

 

[CrowBloke]

I was surprised that we decided to play three tall/marking forwards on a wet and very windy day at the MCG.
Just to make my point crystal clear;
1) I would personally have chosen only 2 tall/marking forwards when the conditions were wet, windy and slippery.

OK, so you can be surprised (as I am/was) that we go in with the 3 talls in wet conditions, but I cannot?
I'd say we are in agreement.

2) Every one of the coaches of the 7 teams competing for the Eight have used the same structure as the Crows despite many of those matches being in wet, windy and slippery conditions.

ALL of them select THREE tall forwards, every game? Then why do the Talking Heads make such a big deal of our 3 talls, if it's so common?
Who were the 3 talls the Hawks played on Friday night? Chol 200cms (1 goal), Gunston 195cms (2 goals) and ...?

Ours (Tex, Thilthorpe, Fog) scored ZERO goals between them. Zip. Nada.
So it clearly did not work.
The least effective of them was Tex, but our mug Nicks subbed out Pedlar instead (remember also that Nicks selected well-known dud, Murphy, ahead of players with more long-term upside/potential).

There must be a lot of dud coaches in the AFL, McRae, Fagan, Hardwick, C Scott etc, etc, etc

Cmon, spare me the sarcasm, and I'm not giving you any shit now.
I was not saying or even implying that McRae, Fagan, Hardwick, C. Scott are dud coaches, and you know it.
In fact, I'd take any one of those 4 in a millisecond over Nicks.
Wouldn't you?

 

[Mutineer]

Not all doom and gloom..

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/adelaide-crows-are-in-the-hunt-for-the-2025-afl-premiership-andrew-capel/news-story/2a8417f199c9b23c08b4efe813406425

Adelaide Crows are in the hunt for the 2025 AFL premiership | Andrew Capel​

Forget the heartbreaking loss to Hawthorn, Adelaide is the real deal this season and can enter its mid-season break knowing it is right in the premiership race, writes Andrew Capel.

Forget the heartbreaking loss to Hawthorn, Adelaide is the real deal this season.
The Crows can enter their mid-season break knowing they are in the AFL premiership race up to their eyeballs.

Sure, last Friday night’s three-point loss to the Hawks in Launceston was a bitter pill to swallow after they led for most of the game, including boasting a lopsided 37-19 inside 50 count at halftime, and butchered a host of gilt-edged chances in front of goal.
But, apart from not coming home with the four premiership points, there were more positives than negatives from the performance.

Adelaide was the better team against another flag contender, which has now won eight consecutive games at its Tasmanian home venue, for the majority of the contest.

Provided they stay relatively healthy and don’t lose key players to injury in the run home, which can ruin any club’s chances, the Crows will not only play finals for the first time since their last grand final appearance in 2017, but they can go all the way.

Currently sitting fourth with a 9-5 win-loss record, Adelaide boasts the best percentage in the competition (135.2), which could be crucial in securing an all-important top-four spot at the end of the minor round, and has scored the second-most points. While questions have been raised about Adelaide’s insistence on playing three tall forwards – Riley Thilthorpe, Darcy Fogarty

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Darcy Fogarty

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

and veteran Taylor Walker

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Taylor Walker

Age

35

Ht

192cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

– it has the firepower to create havoc when the grounds get drier, firmer and faster in the finals in September.
Throw in dangerous smalls Izak Rankine

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Izak Rankine

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

82kg

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M/F

Career

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Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

CL

1.7

4star

, Josh Rachele and the super-important Ben Keays

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Ben Keays

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

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8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

and it will be a nightmare match-up for most rival defences.

The Crows’ backline, with important support from a more defensive-minded midfield and attack, has performed well since some early-season struggles.

Adelaide has conceded an average of 71.71 points for the season – the second-best defensive record behind top-of-the-table Collingwood (68.69).

The Crows’ attacking and defensive numbers illustrate they are right in the flag mix.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

ALL of them select THREE tall forwards, every game? Then why do the Talking Heads make such a big deal of our 3 talls, if it's so common?
Who were the 3 talls the Hawks played on Friday night? Chol 200cms (1 goal), Gunston 195cms (2 goals) and ...?

Ohh Dear (no not Calsher).

Did you fail to notice Max Ramsden? Played as a forward plus occasional chop out for Meek in the ruck. Hard to spot a 203 cm player?

Naturally the SuperCoach subbed him off in the last quarter when the game was in the balance?

Nah, they subbed off 185 cm Jiath and went TALLER with 195 cm Hustwaite.

I am not specifically targeting you but rather the group mentality on this Board that what Nicks does is obviously crazy. It might be fairer to complain that Nicks just follows the pack. Last week Brisbane subbed off Gallop (a wry tall forward) and brought on Robertson who played as a medium/small forward. We subbed out Butts and brought on Smith, a medium/small defender.

 

[Scorpus]

Nah, they subbed off 185 cm Jiath and went TALLER with 195 cm Hustwaite.

The opposite happened

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Naturally the SuperCoach subbed him off in the last quarter when the game was in the balance?

Nah, they subbed off 185 cm Jiath and went TALLER with 195 cm Hustwaite.

Jiath got subbed on for Hustwaite at half time

 

[Cromulant]

Ohh Dear (no not Calsher).

Did you fail to notice Max Ramsden? Played as a forward plus occasional chop out for Meek in the ruck. Hard to spot a 203 cm player?

Naturally the SuperCoach subbed him off in the last quarter when the game was in the balance?

Nah, they subbed off 185 cm Jiath and went TALLER with 195 cm Hustwaite.

I am not specifically targeting you but rather the group mentality on this Board that what Nicks does is obviously crazy. It might be fairer to complain that Nicks just follows the pack. Last week Brisbane subbed off Gallop (a wry tall forward) and brought on Robertson who played as a medium/small forward. We subbed out Butts and brought on Smith, a medium/small defender.

Incorrect.

Jiath was subbed on.

 

[MRB37]

Buckley and Lewis dissected us pretty well on On The Couch tonight.

Said that we've become too much a down the line team. Aren't changing the angles enough.

Also pointed out that Walker and Fogarty are both better "fat side players" which means they benefit from switches as there's space to lead into. Thilthorpe is our only down the line clunker.

Our record vs top 8 clubs ("contenders") was brought up.

Buckley said that we're too worried about turnovers against the better teams which is why we go down the line so often. Timid.

So basically what most everyone but our actual coach can see

 

[Samcro24]

The opposite happened

Oh Dear (no not Harry)

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

Jiath got subbed on for Hustwaite at half time

My bad.

Yet not a single comment on the substance of my post?

Can we all agree that Hawthorn played an even taller forward set up than the Crows?

Can we all agree that Gunston, Ramsden and Chol each played a full game?