Roast It's time to talk about the coaches

[King Elvis]

Campo on 5AA, couldn't have blamed the players and absolved themselves of blame harder if he tried. GF replay all over again there, "we didn't tell the players to play that way". Kidding himself if he thinks JJ is the answer to a bailout option too. Doesn't sound like he wants Fogarty or any of the other younger players in, yayaya about team balance when asked if he'd play Stengle or Himmelberg. Rowie wasn't buying his BS either.

I can't stand him.

Is Pyke the only one to publicly state that we made some mistakes last year?

The rest of these arrogant pricks, led by Camporeale and Burton, act as though they haven't put a foot wrong, and any problems are a result of others - primarily the playing group.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

At least Craig never blamed his players

He even said during press conferences where we'd played poorly that ultimately he's in charge of quality control

 

[Big Crow]

I can't stand him.

Is Pyke the only one to publicly state that we made some mistakes last year?

The rest of these arrogant pricks, led by Camporeale and Burton, act as though they haven't put a foot wrong, and any problems are a result of others - primarily the playing group.

Nailed it. That’s where the problem is. Campo isn’t all in, and what great heights has he ever reached? As for consistently passing the buck to the players in public - He should be embarrassed. Burton I wouldn’t trust to do my grocery shopping correctly for me.

Make no mistake, the ones with the least patience for this BS are the members of staff with careers dependent on working inside a half decently run club in a results driven industry. They aren’t always shy about making their feelings known.

 

[pjcrows]

A fully Independent review, where key findings are released to the members, simply will not happen. There is no mechanism at the club that could trigger something like that, and therein lies the problem - the very way that our club is set up means we get what we get.

Twice in our club's history we've had coaches who have been allowed to rock the boat - Malcolm Blight,who was begged to do it by John Reid because we were a basketcase, and won two premierships doing it. The second was Phil Walsh, who laid the key groundwork for our first Grand Final in 20 years, but everything since then has slowly trickled down to being back where we were before he arrived. Everyone else has been a bunch of yes men who get directions from the board, rather than staking their own claims.

The club's purpose is not to win Premierships - plain and simple. In fact, there are many things that we do that go against winning Premierships. The more I think about it it's bloody amazing we've won two.

 

[Crow_68]

Campo on 5AA, couldn't have blamed the players and absolved themselves of blame harder if he tried. GF replay all over again there, "we didn't tell the players to play that way". Kidding himself if he thinks JJ is the answer to a bailout option too. Doesn't sound like he wants Fogarty or any of the other younger players in, yayaya about team balance when asked if he'd play Stengle or Himmelberg. Rowie wasn't buying his BS either.

If the players are blatantly ignoring the coaches message as Campo suggests, then strong leadership would necessitate the dropping of all of said players, no matter how many.

Unless Campo is lying???

The best/worst bit for me was when he tried to blame the lack of a runner for the message not getting to the players.




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[jackster83]

 

[King Elvis]

A fully Independent review, where key findings are released to the members, simply will not happen. There is no mechanism at the club that could trigger something like that, and therein lies the problem - the very way that our club is set up means we get what we get.

Twice in our club's history we've had coaches who have been allowed to rock the boat - Malcolm Blight,who was begged to do it by John Reid because we were a basketcase, and won two premierships doing it. The second was Phil Walsh, who laid the key groundwork for our first Grand Final in 20 years, but everything since then has slowly trickled down to being back where we were before he arrived. Everyone else has been a bunch of yes men who get directions from the board, rather than staking their own claims.

The club's purpose is not to win Premierships - plain and simple. In fact, there are many things that we do that go against winning Premierships. The more I think about it it's bloody amazing we've won two.

They won’t do a full external review as the executive would be first under the gun.

 

[Its not the coach]

The mistake the coaches have made is that theyve produced a soft gutless spineless braindead lazy slow playing group that dont care if they win or lose, So I suppose you can blame all our coaches. If the club is going to sack the coach do it now other wise the gutless players are just going to cruise through the year bruise free knowing the coaches are getting the blame.

 

[Murray2503]

Been saying for weeks that Don needs to get down to the boundary line. Sitting up in the box looking clueless is not good for anyone. Needs to get on the bench and start coaching during the match. To my eyes he doesn't seem to have a comfortable relationship with the players. Seems very robotic in his interaction with them. I guess if he has lost the players which I believe he has it doesn't matter where he sits. Just for the record I am not letting the players off the hook. There is 8 or 9 that shouldn't be in the side but if Don has lost the ones that matter there is a big problem that must be dealt with.
Shouldn't come down to whether he wants to do it or not. If it is needed he must do it. Like I said though if he has lost them it will not help but this is something he could have done previously to create a stronger bond with them. These days you need great interpersonal skills to be a successful coach. This is something Pyke is definitely lacking in. Not his fault, you are born with the personality you have. Just feel Don would be more suited to an analytical role instead of player management. My query is on the ones that hired Don. Chapman, Roo and Fagan. I don't know how the thought Don was better suited to player management than analysis. He comes from a scientific background unless I am mistaken. The club had already unsuccessfully gone down the scientific path with Neale Craig. Not sure why we repeated it. The club needs someone like Chris Fagan or Clarko. We need a teacher who players can relate too and work in tandem with.

 

[Geoffa32]

Two years ago.Don was a superb coach. And still is in regard.to how he can teach and implement a gameplan to.the players.

The hire was the correct one at the time.

However the game has changed and he seems unable to adapt.


This is Neil Craig circa 2008/9. When Clarko changed the game with his cluster.

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[Sanders]

Hird is the answer!

Want

Just for the lolz

 

[MRB37]

Been saying for weeks that Don needs to get down to the boundary line. Sitting up in the box looking clueless is not good for anyone. Needs to get on the bench and start coaching during the match. To my eyes he doesn't seem to have a comfortable relationship with the players. Seems very robotic in his interaction with them. I guess if he has lost the players which I believe he has it doesn't matter where he sits. Just for the record I am not letting the players off the hook. There is 8 or 9 that shouldn't be in the side but if Don has lost the ones that matter there is a big problem that must be dealt with.
Shouldn't come down to whether he wants to do it or not. If it is needed he must do it. Like I said though if he has lost them it will not help but this is something he could have done previously to create a stronger bond with them. These days you need great interpersonal skills to be a successful coach. This is something Pyke is definitely lacking in. Not his fault, you are born with the personality you have. Just feel Don would be more suited to an analytical role instead of player management. My query is on the ones that hired Don. Chapman, Roo and Fagan. I don't know how the thought Don was better suited to player management than analysis. He comes from a scientific background unless I am mistaken. The club had already unsuccessfully gone down the scientific path with Neale Craig. Not sure why we repeated it. The club needs someone like Chris Fagan or Clarko. We need a teacher who players can relate too and work in tandem with.

Don isn't a coach, he's a manager. I don't think he's the bloke who gets in the there with the players like. I think we've tried to circumvent this with the gameday strategy coach, but we put Campo in the role.

 

[Sanders]

The only coach I want to talk about, or to, is Josh Francou

Seems to me like he might have a story to tell

 

[Murray2503]

Don isn't a coach, he's a manager. I don't think he's the bloke who gets in the there with the players like. I think we've tried to circumvent this with the gameday strategy coach, but we put Campo in the role.

I believe if you have a problem you fix it, not make it worse by giving Campo any more power. Campo shouldn't even be at our club let alone have any meaningful role. You just need to hear him speak. He would have to be the most uninspiring coach i have ever had the displeasure of listening too. He is also intellectually challenged.

 

[Sanders]

We are a joke. This guy cannot coach. He hasnt adapted since 2017. He keeps picking players than underperform. Gtfo.

What do your sources think?

 

[Sanders]

I believe if you have a problem you fix it, not make it worse by giving Campo any more power. Campo shouldn't even be at our club let alone have any meaningful role. You just need to hear him speak. He would have to be the most uninspiring coach i have ever had the displeasure of listening too. He is also intellectually challenged.

Tee hee

 

[GreyCrow]

The mistake the coaches have made is that theyve produced a soft gutless spineless braindead lazy slow playing group that dont care if they win or lose, So I suppose you can blame all our coaches. If the club is going to sack the coach do it now other wise the gutless players are just going to cruise through the year bruise free knowing the coaches are getting the blame.

It's not that the players don't care, it's that there are no consequences for the lack of care

 

[Tex200]

It's not that the players don't care, it's that there are no consequences for the lack of care

And when you dish out tenure as we’ve done, take away consequence, you hand over power.

 

[King Elvis]

TAFKATMS - what the bloody hell is going on mate?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Is it odd that Pyke doesn't have a single person from his West Coast career or Western Australian history involved? No wingman from his life over there

Surely he'd have come across some great people during his time

I know we tried Sumich and Longmuir but you'd think there would be Alan Stewart / Peter Jonas / Paul Thomas equivalents he'd know at the very least - lower profile people but know the game

 

[MRB37]

Is it odd that Pyke doesn't have a single person from his West Coast career or Western Australian history involved? No wingman from his life over there

Surely he'd have come across some great people during his time

I know we tried Sumich and Longmuir but you'd think there would be Alan Stewart / Peter Jonas / Paul Thomas equivalents he'd know at the very least - lower profile people but know the game

Maybe he gave up trying once they told him he couldn't have who he wanted. Fagan is a $ guy, I bet his approach would be "can we finder a cheaper local alternative?"

 

[MRB37]

Just did some quick number crunching, from 2015 we still have 19 guys who've been regular or consistent best 22 guys over the last 18 months

Laird, Lynch, Sloane, Smith, B.Crouch, M.Crouch, Jacobs, Douglas, Walker, Betts, Brown, Mackay, Jenkins, Talia, Atkins, Hartigan, CEY, Knight and Kelly.

So looking through every other team quickly, the next highest number is Hawthorn, West Coast and St Kilda on 13. Most every other team is averaging around 10-12 players still from their 2015 teams, with Freo and the Sun's the lowest on 5, with Carlton and Geelong on 8 and Port on 9.

So judging every other side, we should have turned over another 5-6 guys from our list in our side over the last 4 years, but we've been unable or refused to do that and now we're starting to see some results from it. And it's not like it'd of been massively hard, Mackay, Douglas, Jacobs, CEY, Kelly, there's 5 gone already.

 

[pjcrows]

Maybe he gave up trying once they told him he couldn't have who he wanted. Fagan is a $ guy, I bet his approach would be "can we finder a cheaper local alternative?"

Nailed it in one.

 

[TexForPM]

Why is he not playing for Werribee now?

There is no vision of him with or without the ball

 

[Tex200]

Just did some quick number crunching, from 2015 we still have 19 guys who've been regular or consistent best 22 guys over the last 18 months

Laird, Lynch, Sloane, Smith, B.Crouch, M.Crouch, Jacobs, Douglas, Walker, Betts, Brown, Mackay, Jenkins, Talia, Atkins, Hartigan, CEY, Knight and Kelly.

So looking through every other team quickly, the next highest number is Hawthorn, West Coast and St Kilda on 13. Most every other team is averaging around 10-12 players still from their 2015 teams, with Freo and the Sun's the lowest on 5, with Carlton and Geelong on 8 and Port on 9.

So judging every other side, we should have turned over another 5-6 guys from our list in our side over the last 4 years, but we've been unable or refused to do that and now we're starting to see some results from it. And it's not like it'd of been massively hard, Mackay, Douglas, Jacobs, CEY, Kelly, there's 5 gone already.

I did a similar analysis for the CrowCast a few weeks ago.

It’s a crushing statistic