Analysis AFC SANFL 2019 Thread

[maxlilly]

I would prefer to see Fogarty at FF and Strachan at CHB

 

[hey shorty]

Wasn’t he coming from a fair way back and just spent a month not running due to injury? Would think we’d be slowing down and looking to build for a real crack next year.

This is true, but we did headhunt him somewhat to get him into the club.

By no means to I think it'll be 2 games in and promoted, but I reckon we will see him in the seniors before the season is done.

 

[hey shorty]

Settle down

He's not wrong though.

Less vertical leap, better skilled and quicker.

 

[Golumless]

This is true, but we did headhunt him somewhat to get him into the club.

By no means to I think it'll be 2 games in and promoted, but I reckon we will see him in the seniors before the season is done.

My feel with that regard is that will depend on where we are. Around top 4-6 and I reckon we'll resign him to a development year. 10-12 and he'll get games.

 

[Jars458]

Looks like an exciting team...but would probably like to see the Fog at full forward, Merrett (who impresses me as a top up player) at CHB and Strachan warming the bench

Agreed, the bits I watched in the second half last week, he was our best player after half time.

 

[turbo182]

How has Jackson Press gone thus far? Old teammate of mine - was a damn talented junior!

 

[hey shorty]

How has Jackson Press gone thus far? Old teammate of mine - was a damn talented junior!

Solid last week

 

[ad victoriam]

I would prefer to see Fogarty at FF and Strachan at CHB

No, As much as we would like to Fogarty play AFL, he still needs to develop his defensive game, AFL is not all about Crashing packs it also about reading the play, seeing the way the game develops ahead of the football, Fogarty needs to practise these skills,
On a Side note, he also gets involved with more 1 on 1 marking contest and more ground ball work than if he was playing up forward.
Strachan at this time need game time to get the confidence back into his body, then they will give him some ruck time.

We need to remember Fogarty was a very talented but raw Tall Forward,

 

[Elite Crow]

No, As much as we would like to Fogarty play AFL, he still needs to develop his defensive game, AFL is not all about Crashing packs it also about reading the play, seeing the way the game develops ahead of the football, Fogarty needs to practise these skills,
On a Side note, he also gets involved with more 1 on 1 marking contest and more ground ball work than if he was playing up forward.
Strachan at this time need game time to get the confidence back into his body, then they will give him some ruck time.

We need to remember Fogarty was a very talented but raw Tall Forward,

How do you know Fogarty has to develop these skills? Do all young key forwards have to spend time in defence?

 

[ad victoriam]

This is true, but we did headhunt him somewhat to get him into the club.

By no means to I think it'll be 2 games in and promoted, but I reckon we will see him in the seniors before the season is done.

Don't believe we will see him play AFL this side of the Bye, Not with Stengle, McHenry and Jones in the wings,
MacAdam will need to get Stengle like Goal scoring with run and speed of McHenry, to play AFL before the bye,
Not impossible but his lack of endurance may tell.

 

[hey shorty]

How do you know Fogarty has to develop these skills? Do all young key forwards have to spend time in defence?

A few do, but I'd rather him forward.

If it DOES work though it'll be great for us.

 

[maxlilly]

No, As much as we would like to Fogarty play AFL, he still needs to develop his defensive game, AFL is not all about Crashing packs it also about reading the play, seeing the way the game develops ahead of the football, Fogarty needs to practise these skills,
On a Side note, he also gets involved with more 1 on 1 marking contest and more ground ball work than if he was playing up forward.
Strachan at this time need game time to get the confidence back into his body, then they will give him some ruck time.

We need to remember Fogarty was a very talented but raw Tall Forward,

I cant agree with that at all.
Fogarty needs to be developing his forward craft, not wasting his time at CHB.
As you say, a talented tall forward, are the most important guys on the field.
Being a tall forward is all about making contests & crashing packs in the AFL, we have seen this year what happens in the forward line when you don't have anyone doing that.

 

[SaltPeter]

I cant agree with that at all.
Fogarty needs to be developing his forward craft, not wasting his time at CHB.
As you say, a talented tall forward, are the most important guys on the field.
Being a tall forward is all about making contests & crashing packs in the AFL, we have seen this year what happens in the forward line when you don't have anyone doing that.

https://www.afc.com.au/news/2019-04-25/fogartys-defensive-shift

He been having a run through the midfield as well (albeit, not a lot)

 

[Golumless]

How do you know Fogarty has to develop these skills? Do all young key forwards have to spend time in defence?

There is no doubt Fogarty will need to develop his defensive skills, as all forwards have to. The place you do that however is in the forward line, not defense.

You only play a young forward in defense if you've ****ed up your list management.

 

[ad victoriam]

How do you know Fogarty has to develop these skills? Do all young key forwards have to spend time in defence?

Fogarty defensive game was his weakness, But it important to note as a young Kid he can improve in every area,
I Watch the games, I sometimes listen to the development coaches when they talk to him, they are teaching him,
And a Lot young key forwards do develop their skills in a similar fashion. we just don't pay attention or see their games.
Remember our SANFL side is a development team first.
So Don't look at the position he is playing look at the improvement he is making, And I see a lot of improvement.

He is exposed to more ball than if he was left standing in the forward line, He is getting his hands on the cherry, he running with ball in hand more than ever, sidestepping, Fending off, standing taller in tackles, and his kicking improving, I would almost say his contested marking improving.
Would they get the same improvement if he was left in the forward line? maybe a few

 

[ad victoriam]

I cant agree with that at all.
Fogarty needs to be developing his forward craft, not wasting his time at CHB.
As you say, a talented tall forward, are the most important guys on the field.
Being a tall forward is all about making contests & crashing packs in the AFL, we have seen this year what happens in the forward line when you don't have anyone doing that.

Before we turn this into more than it needed,
Have a good look at Fogarty improvement as a Footballer this year, each game he is improving, He is learning to be a Footballer, not just some kid who crashes packs,
Remember the Crows SANFL is a Development team.

 

[maxlilly]

Before we turn this into more than it needed,
Have a good look at Fogarty improvement as a Footballer this year, each game he is improving, He is learning to be a Footballer, not just some kid who crashes packs,
Remember the Crows SANFL is a Development team.

His improvement this year ??
Didn't his opponent kick 9 goals on him at the Bay ?

 

[ad victoriam]

His improvement this year ??
Didn't his opponent kick 9 goals on him at the Bay ?

Watch his games all 4 of them, And against the Bays, not all 9 goals were on him,
Look at his running with the ball, he is fending of players breaking tackles, his field kicking has improved, and I believe his contested marking improving in how he is working his way to the best position to mark the ball. Look at the little things he is doing.

Last week I saw a better Footballer in Fogarty than at any time last year, and he still has a lot of room for improvement.

 

[crows dude]

His improvement this year ??
Didn't his opponent kick 9 goals on him at the Bay ?

I think 4 were on him.

 

[hey shorty]

His improvement this year ??
Didn't his opponent kick 9 goals on him at the Bay ?

4.

3 on Otten and 2 on a top up which never should have happened.

 

[crows dude]

Gallucci and Jones have travelled so will drop out

 

[GreyCrow]

Gallucci and Jones have travelled so will drop out

They can travel back

 

[crows dude]

They can travel back

Yeh suppose so. Depends if Gibbs feels all right tonight

 

[Cap]

That's insane. Gallucci has to be played in the SANFL this week.

 

[John Who]

How do you know Fogarty has to develop these skills? Do all young key forwards have to spend time in defence?

The argument with Fog is that he is capable of more than just a bullocking crash-packing, body-bashing forward. He has weapons to be damaging all around the ground potentially. Also in doing so, this gives him the best chance to be put in the team, in up forward, down back or even in the middle once he has full confidence with his running and stamina.

At the end of the day, as long as Fog is improving, this will help him advance towards AFL regularity. Where he plays now is not so much as important as will he improve week by week?

Also, people are too caught up with the assumption "the best forwards predominantly play up forward". I'm sure I've seen Pavlich, Brown, Riewoldt and Tredrea all roam around the defensive and midfield zones from time to time. And them playing in other places doesn't appear to worsen their skills as hardcore forwards.