Preview 2022 Rd 15 Carlton vs Fremantle Saturday June 25 1:45PM @ Marvel Stadium - Team Post #808

[Accidental genius]

It's everything inbetween highlights that the issue.

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Like what?

 

[windows1]

I mean cancelling out one absurd statement with another is definitely one way to go about it...

Hewett is built up through the body such that he's not going to go on searching runs, but he's not slow. That's how Sydney tend to develop their players, as it wins them enough games through clearance and contested work.

Only if we want to suck about 10 pressure acts and 3 tackles out of the forward unit.

That's nice, dear!





Bullshit. I was a huge critic on his draft valuation, his lack of ability and technique by foot, his lack of variety and ability to be strong over the ball at AFL-level stoppages, but he's worked on all of it. The Bolton years were shocking for his development and left him a rake, and then Teague went overboard. He's been in a good state since late 2020, but only used properly in maybe 8 games in 3 years.

39 of those were in his first 2 seasons. He then had an injury riddled 2020 where Teague tried to get him bulked up (ala O'Brien), then started as a wing/HF for 2021 under Teague, only getting to play in his natural position after that bloke got the sack, and played well until our injuries mounted up late in the season.

Under Voss he was barely shaded by a fit Kennedy who seemingly cannot stay fit and yet we've given the latter 3 years (hopefully at well under $400k and weighted towards match fees and performance incentives.

I think people misunderstand a lot of the issues with Dow: he throws everything into stoppage work, including second and third efforts when it's warranted, and it leaves him momentarily taxed for follow-up outside of that. He needs to not only work with his coaches on how to better balance moving between first to fifth gears throughout the game, but he needs to go a bit further and self-educate with his video work.

Once he's figured out when to pace himself a bit better, he will have moments where he blocks for others, or collapses a stoppage when we need to buy time to recover aerobically or positionally. His best is top tier elite and he will likely excel at another club that's really prepared to encourage him to drill down on when and where to conserve energy.

Probably a lack of page views. It always was sanitised match notes that gave little insight.

The consistent problem with Carroll is that he rarely follows up efforts like this, and that they're usually not born of anything particularly explosive around contested situations. He's class with the ball and makes good decisions, and he does do some daring things on the outside, but at the stoppage he's still playing a game style that doesn't really impact outside of the U18s or 2nd tier ammos.

My criticism of Motlop is he is not running out quarters and games, and his top speed is rarely seen. He really seems restricted in either his flexibility or build from being able to hit full pace the majority of the time, and it leaves him trailing way too many opponents.

Turning circle of Titanic as well.

Hewett is the slowest player at the club bar Mirkov and Pittonet. Your boy Newman would beat him over any distance you choose. 10m. 20m. 40m. 200m. 2km.

Nothing absurd about my statement. Not my issue that you can’t see Hewett is a defensive running liability.

Do you know why he kicked his goal? He was already trailing in defensive running and the ball came back his way. He made space by being slow. Go figure.

Like I said, I like him a lot as a player. But his one weakness hurts us and in combo with Kennedy’s clear current issues creates auote the weakness for us.

 

[blue healer]

It's everything inbetween highlights that the issue.

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You could say the same about over half of the players in the league, including many who are far more highly rated than Dow.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Motlop looks too chunky for an 19 year old kid, man-child against other kids, but nowhere near agile enough at AFL level.
Happy for Honey, Dow and/or Carroll to play this week, all add speed.
Don't want all of LOB, Cotters and Newnes in the same 22, others can contribute in their positions.

 

[Accidental genius]

Motlop looks too chunky for an 19 year old kid, man-child against other kids, but nowhere near agile enough at AFL level.
Happy for Honey, Dow and/or Carroll to play this week, all add speed.
Don't want all of LOB, Cotters and Newnes in the same 22, others can contribute in their positions.

for a small player i was expecting much more agility and speed from motlop.

 

[blueycarlton]

Motlop did nothing yesterday to improve his chance for a call up, maybe he was carrying an injury.
5 disposals and 3 tackles not good enough as a small forward.
Kemp and Honey in.
Should be playing Stocker in the middle in the twos as he was recruited as mid.
Boyd is filling his spot in the back pocket.

 

[gbatman]

Against the odds here a bit but we need to win a few games we aren't expected to win.

Must keep the pace in the centre. Cerra out made us slow in there. Dow comes in.

Backline sucks for tall options and Williams out sucks too but is what it is.

Honey when he's going is too good to leave out. Martin was again meh, but so were all our small forwards. Get Honey in.

Kemp is too small but in saying that has never let us down when he's played.

Fisher, Kennedy, Owies, Durdin, Martin all coming of really poor games. If they play they owe us with a better performance.

Newnes unlucky but he was just so so. Either he or Cottrell plays IMO, not both.

We need a dry day and a big day out from our forwards, we need to score but also provide forward heat to keep it in our forward line longer. Against Richmone we really struggled to keep it in our forward line, which was not the case against them round 1.

B: Plowman Young Newman
HB: Docharty Kemp Saad
C: O'Brien Cripps Cottrell
HF: Honey McKay Fisher
F: Durdin Curnow Silvagni
OB: De Koning Walsh Hewett
IC: Boyd Dow Kennedy Owies
SUB: Newnes

OUT: Durdin Martin Newnes
IN: Honey Kemp Dow

 

[rp84]

Same. These are his prime years, apparently. What a ******* waste.

Should just pay him out at the end of the year. He is now bottom 3 of the list in my mind.

 

[Accidental genius]

yeah i think dow comes in. we need speed.

 

[Jimmae]

Hewett is the slowest player at the club bar Mirkov and Pittonet. Your boy Newman would beat him over any distance you choose. 10m. 20m. 40m. 200m. 2km.

Nothing absurd about my statement. Not my issue that you can’t see Hewett is a defensive running liability.

Do you know why he kicked his goal? He was already trailing in defensive running and the ball came back his way. He made space by being slow. Go figure.

Like I said, I like him a lot as a player. But his one weakness hurts us and in combo with Kennedy’s clear current issues creates auote the weakness for us.

I genuinely think you're confusing players who target perfect football at pace, with players who sometimes slow down or plant their feet to draw mistakes from the opposition or set themselves for gathering/disposing the ball when they wouldn't otherwise keep their feet.

Here's a list of players who are typically slower than him on our list:

JSOS
Weitering
Newman
Marchbank
Pittonet
Newnes
Young
Boyd
S.Durdin
McDonald
Setterfield
Mirkov
Hayes
Motlop
Kennedy
Stocker
Docherty

There's a few more who might have a faster top speed but rarely hit it compared to his average sprint speed IMO - and you could maybe include Newnes and Motlop on said list - but otherwise I'm fairly happy with his ranking as in the middle band of our list.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I mean cancelling out one absurd statement with another is definitely one way to go about it...

Hewett is built up through the body such that he's not going to go on searching runs, but he's not slow. That's how Sydney tend to develop their players, as it wins them enough games through clearance and contested work.

Only if we want to suck about 10 pressure acts and 3 tackles out of the forward unit.

That's nice, dear!





Bullshit. I was a huge critic on his draft valuation, his lack of ability and technique by foot, his lack of variety and ability to be strong over the ball at AFL-level stoppages, but he's worked on all of it. The Bolton years were shocking for his development and left him a rake, and then Teague went overboard. He's been in a good state since late 2020, but only used properly in maybe 8 games in 3 years.

39 of those were in his first 2 seasons. He then had an injury riddled 2020 where Teague tried to get him bulked up (ala O'Brien), then started as a wing/HF for 2021 under Teague, only getting to play in his natural position after that bloke got the sack, and played well until our injuries mounted up late in the season.

Under Voss he was barely shaded by a fit Kennedy who seemingly cannot stay fit and yet we've given the latter 3 years (hopefully at well under $400k and weighted towards match fees and performance incentives.

I think people misunderstand a lot of the issues with Dow: he throws everything into stoppage work, including second and third efforts when it's warranted, and it leaves him momentarily taxed for follow-up outside of that. He needs to not only work with his coaches on how to better balance moving between first to fifth gears throughout the game, but he needs to go a bit further and self-educate with his video work.

Once he's figured out when to pace himself a bit better, he will have moments where he blocks for others, or collapses a stoppage when we need to buy time to recover aerobically or positionally. His best is top tier elite and he will likely excel at another club that's really prepared to encourage him to drill down on when and where to conserve energy.

Probably a lack of page views. It always was sanitised match notes that gave little insight.

The consistent problem with Carroll is that he rarely follows up efforts like this, and that they're usually not born of anything particularly explosive around contested situations. He's class with the ball and makes good decisions, and he does do some daring things on the outside, but at the stoppage he's still playing a game style that doesn't really impact outside of the U18s or 2nd tier ammos.

My criticism of Motlop is he is not running out quarters and games, and his top speed is rarely seen. He really seems restricted in either his flexibility or build from being able to hit full pace the majority of the time, and it leaves him trailing way too many opponents.

Turning circle of Titanic as well.

Huge rationalisation on Dow. Where is any evidence of improvement. He played 17 games last year. His kicking is sub par.He doesn't dominate at VFL. Please desist from putting Dow in the same ballpark as Kennedy. Especially after 1 or 2 bad Kennedy games, when he looks sore. Dow is a worse kick, mark, tackler, goal kicker than Kennedy and I don't care when he played them but Dow has played 61 games

 

[Blue Warrior]

yeah i think dow comes in. we need speed.

I know of someone that can provide that.

 

[Accidental genius]

View attachment 1427145 I know of someone that can provide that.

Does his intials start with Andrew Russell?

 

[Blue Warrior]

Does his intials start with Andrew Russell?

If that's the case the whipper will be in your pocket then out for 4 weeks.

 

[Accidental genius]

If that's the case the whipper will be in your pocket then out for 4 weeks.

??

 

[Blue Warrior]

??

Speed.

 

[Accidental genius]

Speed.

ah ok..i had to google search and all i got was whipper snipper....

 

[Blue Warrior]

ah ok..i had to google search and all i got was whipper snipper....

 

[windows1]

I genuinely think you're confusing players who target perfect football at pace, with players who sometimes slow down or plant their feet to draw mistakes from the opposition or set themselves for gathering/disposing the ball when they wouldn't otherwise keep their feet.

Here's a list of players who are typically slower than him on our list:

JSOS
Weitering
Newman
Marchbank
Pittonet
Newnes
Young
Boyd
S.Durdin
McDonald
Setterfield
Mirkov
Hayes
Motlop
Kennedy
Stocker
Docherty

There's a few more who might have a faster top speed but rarely hit it compared to his average sprint speed IMO - and you could maybe include Newnes and Motlop on said list - but otherwise I'm fairly happy with his ranking as in the middle band of our list.

I have no ****ing idea what game of football or what training sessions you watch to draw these conclusions Jim. Let’s end the discussion. We are on different planets.

 

[spry]

Speculative post inbound

Watching the replay of the 2’s it seemed the midfielders were playing with an edge as if they knew something. They were so much harder and intense than usual. I get the feeling our midfield might get a shakeup for this one.

We’ve been beaten there for 3 weeks now. Not sure the MC sit on their hands particularly with struggles down back.

My pick is that Kennedy goes out. Walsh goes on ball and carrol comes in to play the Walsh role from HF without the insane running.

Honey and kemp also in for Martin and S Durdin.

Kemp will be happier being a third string defender but if our midfield can’t win some territory, it doesn’t matter who we have back there.


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[4flagsin5yrs]

Should be dry at Marvel!

Is Kennedy carrying an injury? Is Crippa?

Walsh got very decent numbers, but really?

Honey an easy decision to come in....Carroll too I'd suggest. Dow? It's a meh from me....

Need Harry and Chuck to kick 6 each.

 

[RedFury]

Why do I have a strange feeling we'll get the job done in this one? I was worried about the * game and felt almost certain that a full strength Richmond would be too good, so this definitely isn't normal for me.

Maybe it's because it's a 9 day break and guaranteed dry weather footy? We've had short breaks leading into wet games the last 2 weeks - and we seem to suck in the wet.

 

[katmanblue]

Like what?

2nd efforts. Defensive running. Positioning in transition.

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[katmanblue]

You could say the same about over half of the players in the league, including many who are far more highly rated than Dow.

And?

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[RedFury]

2nd efforts. Defensive running. Positioning in transition.

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yeah I've watched Dow closely a few times now and his defensive instincts just aren't there. To the point where I'm not even sure how well you can teach what he lacks.

There were a few occasions last night where one of his famous "burst out of the pack" sprints would have seen him seriously impact a contest defensively (such as intercepting handballs and short passes or putting pressure on a player that is spotting up a precise kick) but he just jogs along and waits for it to unfold.