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[52Goals4inGranny]

Man I am on the record as saying we need to stick with him for 5 years. His press conference tripped me the **** out though.

He wants to focus on defence and that's our main problem? What the **** our forward line is a piece of shit, and our disposal is horrific.
Considering what they cop our defence is probably top 6 in the comp

 

[Blue1980]

Exactly and we've fed that by sacking coaches

You must have missed the 6, 8 and 10 wins in his first 3 years...would we have stuck fat in that instance?? Doubt it

He was coming off a very low base. We did give Bolton 3.5 years. They were coming from a similar low point.

 

[52Goals4inGranny]

Milne, Dal Santo dropped

STARS Nick Dal Santo and Stephen Milne have become high-profile casualties of the Saints' struggles, being dropped for Friday's match.

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Dropping duo gave Saints integrity: Lyon

St Kilda coach says results vindicated the one-week demotion of Dal Santo and Milne

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I don't know how I'd feel if Mcgovern isn't dropped to be honest. After his first squib that ended up with Collingwood scoring their first goal I knew we were in for a rough day.

Exactly. If he plays this week I am off the keep Voss train and onto the sack Voss train.

He should have pulled them all in at 7am Monday morning, showed the video of Mcgoverns one armed squib that led to the pies first goal and said "this shit is not on, you're out, and anyone who does this again is out too."

I'd be making an example of the campaigner

 

[Blue1980]

I wonder what the heck is discussed and highlighted in post game reviews?

Just defensive errors, plan is to keep sides scoreless.

 

[Jeremias]

Man I am on the record as saying we need to stick with him for 5 years. His press conference tripped me the * out though.

He wants to focus on defence and that's our main problem? What the * our forward line is a piece of s**t, and our disposal is horrific.
Considering what they cop our defence is probably top 6 in the comp

I think you may have misunderstood.

Defensively, he's referring to the effort and setup of the collective, rather than the back 6 specifically.
Just as offensively, he mentions moving the ball forward, not just the specific games of our forward group.

Our defensive work was abysmal against the Pies, particularly in the first half. Referring mainly to our inability to get the ball of the Pies when they had it, and hold our structures in a way that prevented them from moving forward with ease.

 

[BM123]

Also people talk about 2016 at Richmond, they’d made finals 2013-15, had 15 home and away wins twice. We haven’t won 15 or more home and away wins since 2000.

You forget how we ended their season in 2012 and 2013 in embarrassing fashion. Not to mention when he started his first season in 2010 Richmond went 0-9 at 49%. Richmond were seen as a joke under him till 2013 with the amount of chokes they had during that time. People were calling for his head every other day. Does no one remember them conceding 2 goals in under a minute to lose to GC? Karmicheal Hunt at GC kicking a goal after the siren ? Brock Mclean ended their season in 2012.

You think any coach would last with us beyond 2013? Losing their chance at top four and an elimination final to their arch rival? When they were got run over after been 5-6 goals up both times? Losing their first final in so long to 9th?

Even if they lasted beyond that they'd be definitely be gone after 2016.

 

[katmanblue]

Our endevour & work rate are fine Vossy has us firing well, our problems are skill , speed, and a lumbering, intractable game plan.

Predictable to opposition but not each other.

How many times have the forwards left up to the ball but the have it kicked over their heads directly to the opposition?

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[HarryFlashman]

I think you may have misunderstood.

Defensively, he's referring to the effort and setup of the collective, rather than the back 6 specifically.
Just as offensively, he mentions moving the ball forward, not just the specific games of our forward group.

Our defensive work was abysmal against the Pies, particularly in the first half. Referring mainly to our inability to get the ball of the Pies when they had it, and hold our structures in a way that prevented them from moving forward with ease.

I think you’re stating your “take” on what he said.
Lots of people concerned about what he said.
You just said a whole lot more than he did

 

[TENACIOUS]

Interesting reading the number of posters here who are suddenly laying the blame on our players.

Where were you all two years ago when the howling for Teague's blood began and the players were lauded for mutineering against their coach?

This list is far better than Teague's, is unhindered by Covid sanctions and has a fully functional development team. It has six current and former AA's, two Coleman medalists, the Brownlow medalist and is finally at the age profile that we've been seeking for the last eight years. I'd go so far as to say it is the best balanced list we've had for twenty five years and yet....eight and a half wins in the last twenty two matches.

If it was all the coach's fault two years ago why is it the fault of the players now?

I've said that I don't want to sack the coach, as I said two years ago, I'm sick of that sh*t. But in finally deciding to stick fat with a coach, have we picked the right one?

Interesting times ahead.

Teague was a poor coach...
Club made the right decision moving him on...

 

[BM123]

Just defensive errors, plan is to keep sides scoreless.

We conceded 3-4 goals without touching the ball. I'd like to know how that has anything to do with our game plan not prioritising scoring enough?

We were the worst side in the league under Teague when it came to conceding during red time.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I don't know how I'd feel if Mcgovern isn't dropped to be honest. After his first squib that ended up with Collingwood scoring their first goal I knew we were in for a rough day.

Absolutely has to be dropped. Non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned...

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

I think you’re stating your “take” on what he said.
Lots of people concerned about what he said.
You just said a whole lot more than he did

When Collingwood play defence it’s manic, 18 players across the entire ground committing to the cause.
Therefore if you have that sort of buy in from the collective, offence looks after itself.
It’s like flicking a switch, from one mode to the next, and the Collingwood players automatically do this.
Thats exactly what Voss was referring to. The entire team needs to work together, get their defensive mindset in sync, and the rest will follow.

 

[Blue1980]

I think you may have misunderstood.

Defensively, he's referring to the effort and setup of the collective, rather than the back 6 specifically.
Just as offensively, he mentions moving the ball forward, not just the specific games of our forward group.

Our defensive work was abysmal against the Pies, particularly in the first half. Referring mainly to our inability to get the ball of the Pies when they had it, and hold our structures in a way that prevented them from moving forward with ease.

That doesn’t cut it. We can’t score and he just complains about our defence. Unless the whole plan is to keep sides to 4-5 goals a game, focusing on just our defensive game isn’t going to make us better.

It’s a reactive mindset which has permeated the team. If you wait for Armageddon to come to you, it will, and that is what we are doing. There is no proactive mindset.

 

[BM123]

I think you’re stating your “take” on what he said.
Lots of people concerned about what he said.
You just said a whole lot more than he did

My take was similar to Jeremias to be honest.

Considering the changes Voss made after half time and how we tightened up on Collingwood I think it has some merit. it's an old trope of Carltons to need the coach to give them a bake at half time to wake the players up. I suspect our lack of leaders on the field plays into it.

Hell I remember in 2012 before the injuries really ruined our season they still needed a bake from Ratten against GWS of all teams....

 

[BM123]

That doesn’t cut it. We can’t score and he just complains about our defence. Unless the whole plan is to keep sides to 4-5 goals a game, focusing on just our defensive game isn’t going to make us better.

It’s a reactive mindset which has permeated the team. If you wait for Armageddon to come to you, it will, and that is what we are doing. There is no proactive mindset.

If our defence was better we'd score more goals.

It's not one way or the other.

 

[Blue1980]

You forget how we ended their season in 2012 and 2013 in embarrassing fashion. Not to mention he started his first season in 2010 Richmond started 0-9 at 49%. Richmond were seen as a joke under him till 2013 with the amount of chokes they had during that time. People were calling for his head every other day. Does no one remember them conceding 2 goals in under a minute to lose to GC? Karmicheal Hunt at GC kicking a goal after the siren ? Brock Mclean ended their season in 2012.

You think any coach would last with us beyond 2013? Losing their chance at top four and an elimination final to their arch rival? When they were got run over after been 5-6 goals up both times? Losing their first final in so long to 9th?

Even if they lasted beyond that they'd be definitely be gone after 2016.

I remember all that, they did hold their nerve, however they had shown progression. 2016 was the first time they went backwards in his reign really.

Also we have a real life comparison, Bolton lasted 3.5 years, and was only moved on when we’d only won 4 of his last 43 games.

I personally wasn’t in favour of moving on Teague and just bolstering the assistants and footy dept.

I’m not advocating sacking Voss right this second. I would however if we keep playing this same turgid style for the remainder of the year, as it will probably land us 15th.

I however do see a world where we continue doing what we are doing, then basically revamp the whole footy dept at the end of the year and keep Voss.

If we don’t win at least 2 of our next 4, you will be hearing the words “football department review”.

 

[Jeremias]

I think you’re stating your “take” on what he said.
Lots of people concerned about what he said.
You just said a whole lot more than he did

OK, when was the last time you heard a coach single out a player or a group of players?

That doesn’t cut it. We can’t score and he just complains about our defence. Unless the whole plan is to keep sides to 4-5 goals a game, focusing on just our defensive game isn’t going to make us better.

Defensive systems. It does make sense.

Tighten them up and you become more of a threat offensively, for one because you force a turnover higher up the ground.

 

[Azzurro]

I haven’t been this dispirited with our play for years- even when we were completely s**t we were ok to watch (some patches- other patches were completed ****ed).
I’ve been calling out that we have issues since mid last yr- it’s not just this year.
I believed we had turned the corner from being completely s**t- with how we are playing we are right back there & we shouldn’t be!
The game plan is so so bad & that sits with Voss.

The game plan was collectively created, according to Voss. He and Sayers have committed to big changes to the game plan. Let's see.

 

[Azzurro]

I remember all that, they did hold their nerve, however they had shown progression. 2016 was the first time they went backwards in his reign really.

Also we have a real life comparison, Bolton lasted 3.5 years, and was only moved on when we’d only won 4 of his last 43 games.

I personally wasn’t in favour of moving on Teague and just bolstering the assistants and footy dept.

I’m not advocating sacking Voss right this second. I would however if we keep playing this same turgid style for the remainder of the year, as it will probably land us 15th.

I however do see a world where we continue doing what we are doing, then basically revamp the whole footy dept at the end of the year and keep Voss.

If we don’t win at least 2 of our next 4, you will be hearing the words “football department review”.

There should be a review regardless. Better be item 1 on Cook's post season agenda. If not number 2, behind "mid season internal audit"

 

[Azzurro]

OK, when was the last time you heard a coach single out a player or a group of players?



Defensive systems. It does make sense.

Tighten them up and you become more of a threat offensively, for one because you force a turnover higher up the ground.

Defensive systems also refers to how our players are supporting each other when we are trying to win the ball back.

If it's working well, we should have a flood of numbers and options for the ball carrier to choose from upon turnover. The fact that we don't is why, I think, Voss is targeting defence.

 

[Blue1980]

We conceded 3-4 goals without touching the ball. I'd like to know how that has anything to do with our game plan not prioritising scoring enough?

We were the worst side in the league under Teague when it came to conceding during red time.

Thing is our plan is defence first, I mean we are so turgid going forward the fact a team can score 3-4 goals in a row means a game is basically over.

We are playing the top side, they can get a run on in a game. If the plan is to somehow try and win the game when we score 7 goals a game and blame our defence for losing is insane.

One of the big factors in that run of goals was JSOS in the ruck.

The fact the game was basically over because they scored 3-4 goals in a row is ridiculous.

This comes down to other sides embracing risks, mistakes and moving on from them and we are the opposite. We are trying to control everything to within an inch of its life and it is terrible to watch and producing terrible results.

 

[Blue1980]

When Collingwood play defence it’s manic, 18 players across the entire ground committing to the cause.
Therefore if you have that sort of buy in from the collective, offence looks after itself.
It’s like flicking a switch, from one mode to the next, and the Collingwood players automatically do this.
Thats exactly what Voss was referring to. The entire team needs to work together, get their defensive mindset in sync, and the rest will follow.

Pies - pro active mindset, players on the move

Us - stagnant, static, play like a group of individuals confused and playing for themselves. Like they are trying to ensure they aren’t highlighted on a Monday review for doing anything wrong

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Man I am on the record as saying we need to stick with him for 5 years. His press conference tripped me the * out though.

He wants to focus on defence and that's our main problem? What the * our forward line is a piece of s**t, and our disposal is horrific.
Considering what they cop our defence is probably top 6 in the comp

He said in the press conference it's not a back 6 thing... it's team defence...

I'd imagine the fact that we had 12 blokes without a tackle at half time goes to show how poor we are defensively. And that's just one part of it...

Positioning when the ball isn't in our possession, 2 way running, accountability, communication...

I'll give you an example - Pendles kicks to space and Cox takes an uncontested mark 20 out directly in front in the last quarter. If you can, have a look at that footage, players with their back to the ball, Harry running back there and Cottrell has a man marked, but since Harry is there as well... what's he doing running behind the bloke that Cottrell has? Day dreaming. If you're gonna run back there, make a ****ing contest. Cottrell just turned back to him and said "mate wtf are you doing?" And where there hell is Lewis Young in all that? 10 meters behind Cox...

Newman giving up the chase on Hill, Saad comes running at him then jumps up like a circus clown... no wonder he didn't lay any tackles for the game... There was another goal we copped from a stoppage in front of their goals where Saad just grabbed the bloke kicking but didn't apply any physicality to put him off the kick whatsoever... weak as piss.

Have a look at Daicos here:



This kick goes to Mitchell I think, Daicos is STILL free.



That's him, same play still standing there on his own.

It's enough to make your blood boil...

 

[Blue1980]

If our defence was better we'd score more goals.

It's not one way or the other.

As I’ve mentioned before, we play like a side on the back foot and defensive before we start. It’s all about absorbing pressure, but we don’t put anything back.

The balance is way out, and if you are absorbing defense all the time, it’s disheartening to play when you offer nothing offensively.

Defense is a bit down I think, but overall it’s probably the part of the ground I have least concern with. Though with our game style unless our defense is in the best 2-3 in the comp, we will be bottom 6.

 

[GoBlues!]

Man I am on the record as saying we need to stick with him for 5 years. His press conference tripped me the * out though.

He wants to focus on defence and that's our main problem? What the * our forward line is a piece of s**t, and our disposal is horrific.
Considering what they cop our defence is probably top 6 in the comp

To be fair 52G, I think Voss was referring to how we defend as a team not just the back 6.

Personally I think our biggest issue is our ruck/midfield is not connecting (apart from Cerra) and our transition from D50 to our forward line is weak and inconsistent.