Injury 2023 St Kilda Injury Thread

[g_TRAIN]

I think we all knew something was up with Steele. This confirms it.,

Hopefully a few on this board myself probably included cut him some slack now. Him going at 75% still makes the team better than if he's not playing.

 

[gringo2011]

He has the same strain that has sidelined [PLAYERCARD]Hunter clark[/PLAYERCARD] for weeks, obviously less severe but you can tell he's struggling to change direction.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

None of them will play for Sandy this week. Dmac and Jones the following week

Thanks Tony...be nice to have them back.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Wonder if hayes will play seniors this year.

 

[The_Steadier]

I think we all knew something was up with Steele. This confirms it.,

Hopefully a few on this board myself probably included cut him some slack now. Him going at 75% still makes the team better than if he's not playing.

Playing hurt and not performing at near your capacity isn't real leadership imo.


I think real leadership is doing what daniel rich has just done and made himself unavailable:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-duo-daniel-rich-and-jack-gunston-stand-down/news-story/797b37097868d504b8828cad9b63f84d

 

[Mowman]

Playing hurt and not performing at near your capacity isn't real leadership imo.


I think real leadership is doing what daniel rich has just done and made himself unavailable:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-duo-daniel-rich-and-jack-gunston-stand-down/news-story/797b37097868d504b8828cad9b63f84d

Go and watch D Rich last game tell me where you see one ounce of leadership then go and watch Steeles 2nd half

God we love to kick our own

Even mentioning Rich in the same sentence as Steele

 

[Nutsngum]

Playing hurt and not performing at near your capacity isn't real leadership imo.


I think real leadership is doing what daniel rich has just done and made himself unavailable:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-duo-daniel-rich-and-jack-gunston-stand-down/news-story/797b37097868d504b8828cad9b63f84d

Yes, marketing spin on why an old cooked player got dropped is leadership but pushing through an injury to be an isntrumental part of an important win isnt?

If Steele was keeping out another player who could 100% perform to Steeles ability reliably then that might hold water but he isnt.

 

[Atomboy]

Playing hurt and not performing at near your capacity isn't real leadership imo.


I think real leadership is doing what daniel rich has just done and made himself unavailable:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-duo-daniel-rich-and-jack-gunston-stand-down/news-story/797b37097868d504b8828cad9b63f84d

5 minutes to go in the last qtr against the Swans - Steele wills himself to make a desperate spoil in the middle of the ground which results in a ballup rather than the Swans attacking.

Saints bottle the ball up in the forward line for another minute and ultimately Sharman goals.

Very happy with those type of efforts from the skipper, even if he is on one leg.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Playing hurt and not performing at near your capacity isn't real leadership imo.


I think real leadership is doing what daniel rich has just done and made himself unavailable:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-duo-daniel-rich-and-jack-gunston-stand-down/news-story/797b37097868d504b8828cad9b63f84d

Rich just pre-empted what he knew was coming.

 

[beside the seaside]

Playing hurt and not performing at near your capacity isn't real leadership imo.


I think real leadership is doing what daniel rich has just done and made himself unavailable:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-duo-daniel-rich-and-jack-gunston-stand-down/news-story/797b37097868d504b8828cad9b63f84d

Is that for real? Two senior guys are going to sit out a few weeks and not even play seconds. That is fairly bizarre, I'd be pissed if that was our club.

 

[bird_man]

Playing hurt and not performing at near your capacity isn't real leadership imo.


I think real leadership is doing what daniel rich has just done and made himself unavailable:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-duo-daniel-rich-and-jack-gunston-stand-down/news-story/797b37097868d504b8828cad9b63f84d

Difference is losing Rich doesn’t make Lions worse

We wouldn’t be better off without Steele

And if you actually believe it was all Rich’s call you’ll believe anything

 

[SaintsSeptember]

In the end its not the player that chooses whether they are selected or not.

So its like :
" we've spoken to the doc ,Jack, and he says you won't get worse if you play on it, can you do it".
a) I won't be as good as normal , but i'll try my hardest.
b) No coach... Hurteees.

I don't see response b) as providing better leadership.

 

[The_Steadier]

) No coach... Hurteees.

Lots of strawman arguments being setup and majestically slapped down.


I don't think overall steele has performed any better than a windy/bytel type would have done over the last month or so.

He's been very ordinary (by any standard) for large parts of most games.

Sure a windy/bytel type could have done the same... but if they did, then we could at least now have given steele several weeks to get his knee and collarbone in better shape.

Now we are in a situation where he has played through it, performed ordinary and still hobbling.

Footballers need to be saved from themselves sometimes.

 

[BrutThough]

Lots of strawman arguments being setup and majestically slapped down.


I don't think overall steele has performed any better than a windy/bytel type would have done over the last month or so.

He's been very ordinary (by any standard) for large parts of most games.

Sure a windy/bytel type could have done the same... but if they did, then we could at least now have given steele several weeks to get his knee and collarbone in better shape.

Now we are in a situation where he has played through it, performed ordinary and still hobbling.

Footballers need to be saved from themselves sometimes.

Over the last month, Steele has had a 25 disposal, 11 tackles, 7 score involvements game and a 24 disposal, 7 tackles, 6 score involvement game.

I doubt either Windy or Bytel have had more than 1 game at full fitness with those numbers which are considered 'ordinary' for Steele.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Lots of strawman arguments being setup and majestically slapped down.


I don't think overall steele has performed any better than a windy/bytel type would have done over the last month or so.

He's been very ordinary (by any standard) for large parts of most games.

Sure a windy/bytel type could have done the same... but if they did, then we could at least now have given steele several weeks to get his knee and collarbone in better shape.

Now we are in a situation where he has played through it, performed ordinary and still hobbling.

Footballers need to be saved from themselves sometimes.

You are dreaming mate. Steele has still averaged 21 touches and 8 tackles per game over the last 4 games.

Well down on his career stats yes but well up on what we would get from Windy or Bytel at this stage of their development. (Windy for example in full games this year is only averaging 14 touches and 1 tackle)

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Lots of strawman arguments being setup and majestically slapped down.


I don't think overall steele has performed any better than a windy/bytel type would have done over the last month or so.

He's been very ordinary (by any standard) for large parts of most games.

Sure a windy/bytel type could have done the same... but if they did, then we could at least now have given steele several weeks to get his knee and collarbone in better shape.

Now we are in a situation where he has played through it, performed ordinary and still hobbling.

Footballers need to be saved from themselves sometimes.

So you think the medical staff don't have a say in it?
Jack has had just one game with less than 20 clearances.
Had 15 contested possessions, 6 clearances against Crows, 13 and 4 against GWS.

So far Windy and Bytel are only dreaming of playing like an inhibited Jack Steele.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

goddamit

 

[CursingFijian]

I’m with The_Steadier in that if playing Steele through injury has a longer term effect on his capacity come finals or future seasons then it’s not the right choice.

Knee injuries turn into chronic injuries if they aren’t managed properly. It’s the ailment of the suburban footballer, and shouldn’t happen at AFL level.

If the knee damage is the type that needs surgery that changes things but only slightly. But in a year of discovery hobbling our AA midfielder would be very bad management, and I would be irate if that scenario eventuated.

 

[sammm]

I’m with The_Steadier in that if playing Steele through injury has a longer term effect on his capacity come finals or future seasons then it’s not the right choice.

Knee injuries turn into chronic injuries if they aren’t managed properly. It’s the ailment of the suburban footballer, and shouldn’t happen at AFL level.

If the knee damage is the type that needs surgery that changes things but only slightly. But in a year of discovery hobbling our AA midfielder would be very bad management, and I would be irate if that scenario eventuated.

i assume that as Steele went to the doctors and xrays etc, during the week, (he got door stopped) then it must not be chronic and he can live wtih it until end of season.

Personally ithink he shoudl rest or do the surgery now.

 

[gringo2011]

Over the last month, Steele has had a 25 disposal, 11 tackles, 7 score involvements game and a 24 disposal, 7 tackles, 6 score involvement game.

I doubt either Windy or Bytel have had more than 1 game at full fitness with those numbers which are considered 'ordinary' for Steele.

And older players usually have to sacrifice their own game to bring the younger ones through. I heard them talking about Cotchin this morning and Rance said that he sacrificed his own game to play the defensive midfield role and allow others to play with a free rein. I think we tend to forget that players are often role playing and it's not all about the numbers they put up. Having someone mind Steele gives another mid more room to move. With all respect for Windhager, he's not getting manned up, that defensive player then goes to Crouch who gets cut out of the game.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I’m with The_Steadier in that if playing Steele through injury has a longer term effect on his capacity come finals or future seasons then it’s not the right choice.

Knee injuries turn into chronic injuries if they aren’t managed properly. It’s the ailment of the suburban footballer, and shouldn’t happen at AFL level.

If the knee damage is the type that needs surgery that changes things but only slightly. But in a year of discovery hobbling our AA midfielder would be very bad management, and I would be irate if that scenario eventuated.

He never said that, though.

I agree that if it's going to hinder his long-term recovery, he should take a spell, but that is something he would have been discussing with the medical team, and I'm sure they have that in mind.

If they thought this was something that needed rest to heal and recover (i.e., missing games), I'm pretty sure that would be what would happen.

 

[Olliver]

Someone better let Tim Barbour, one of the best Sports Medicine Physicians in the country, know that Steeley needs a rest.

(Sorry for the smart alec tone but srsly)

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Someone better let Tim Barbour, one of the best Sports Medicine Physicians in the country, know that Steeley needs a rest.

(Sorry for the smart alec tone but srsly)

Hack, i learded more on the interwebs.

https://www.opsmc.com.au/person/dr-tim-barbour/

 

[phantom13]

Playing hurt and not performing at near your capacity isn't real leadership imo.


I think real leadership is doing what daniel rich has just done and made himself unavailable:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-duo-daniel-rich-and-jack-gunston-stand-down/news-story/797b37097868d504b8828cad9b63f84d

This whole story is a laugh to be honest.

Rich and Gunston should leave the match selection to the comittee. Perhaps theyre being played because their isnt a better option? Or perhaps Fages should grow some balls and drop underperforming players.

Its such a stupid story that people are trying to make into something selfless and amazing.

 

[The_Steadier]

You are dreaming mate. Steele has still averaged 21 touches and 8 tackles per game over the last 4 games.

Well down on his career stats yes but well up on what we would get from Windy or Bytel at this stage of their development

I had the strangest dream last night guys.

Windy got a crack playing fulltime midfield and got 21 touches and laid 7 tackles.

Was a very weird dream.... it was a really wet one.
Like a monsoon.