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No Oppo Supporters 2023 General AFL Discussion - incl. AFL Grand Final

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The Pies secret to winning tight games is having the umpires on side for the small advantage they need to break through, like the non-calls in Q4 of the PF as they tried to hold on against a rampaging GWS, who really should have been playing Brisbane in the GF.

The Melbourne footy fraternity seemed to have backed a Pies or Carlton "fairy tale". Not calling back that last free was the final nail for Brisbane. It was obvious they didn't know they had a free. There was no advantage at all. It should've been called back.

If that game had been played at the Gabba there would still have been too many Victorian umpires but on their home ground Brisbane would have eaten Pies for lunch. The AFL needs to follow the trend in European International football (soccer) games and use neutral umpires. The Grand Final should not be played at the MCG but at a neutral venue. It's time to recruit umpires from the northern states.

Personally, the thought of another year of hearing nothing but Collingwood/Nick Daicos talk in the footy media means I'll stick to watching Swans games and nothing else to do with footy in 2024.

Collingwood, the AFL and the Melbourne media should get a room rather than dancing their incestuous horizontal mambo in the public eye.
 
RubbaDuck said:
The Pies secret to winning tight games is having the umpires on side for the small advantage they need to break through, like the non-calls in Q4 of the PF as they tried to hold on against a rampaging GWS, who really should have been playing Brisbane in the GF.

The Melbourne footy fraternity seemed to have backed a Pies or Carlton "fairy tale". Not calling back that last free was the final nail for Brisbane. It was obvious they didn't know they had a free. There was no advantage at all. It should've been called back.

If that game had been played at the Gabba there would still have been too many Victorian umpires but on their home ground Brisbane would have eaten Pies for lunch. The AFL needs to follow the trend in European International football (soccer) games and use neutral umpires. The Grand Final should not be played at the MCG but at a neutral venue. It's time to recruit umpires from the northern states.

Personally, the thought of another year of hearing nothing but Collingwood/Nick Daicos talk in the footy media means I'll stick to watching Swans games and nothing else to do with footy in 2024.

Collingwood, the AFL and the Melbourne media should get a room rather than dancing their incestuous horizontal mambo in the public eye.
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Wholeheartedly agree, since Gil has come in, the focus has been on the Vic clubs. Probably because he is basically in bed with Ed/Kelly and co.

Vic clubs assisted “dominance” continues, hopefully Andrew Dillon can address the balance over the next few years, otherwise interstate clubs will shed supporters in time.
 
At least Gil's gone. What a tosser. But not before he set up his mate Clarko with a massive advantage of a glut of early draft picks, just as he had at Hawthorn in 2005. If Clarko was a half decent coach he'd build a good team without having to scrape along the bottom of the ladder begging for scraps.
 
ErrolisGoldun said:
Wholeheartedly agree, since Gil has come in, the focus has been on the Vic clubs. Probably because he is basically in bed with Ed/Kelly and co.

Vic clubs assisted “dominance” continues, hopefully Andrew Dillon can address the balance over the next few years, otherwise interstate clubs will shed supporters in time.
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Trouble is the AFL/VFL are all about the old skool tie brigade. It's an incestuous group of mutual back scratchers. I don't doubt they get together at the beginning of each new year and work out how the season will play out. The trifecta of Brisbane wins from 2001-2003 and subsequent Port-Sydney-WC wins must have shocked them. When Sydney started to get on top again in 2012 and recruited Buddy at the end of 2013 they would have been urged to do something, like slapping a ban on Sydney doing any trading and revoking the cost of living equalisation measures. All the priority and father/son picks the Melbourne clubs were enjoying were not enough. I believe the only reason we were allowed to have our academy is the AFL were not going to make permanent inroads into NSW without grass roots footy. Players like Gulden, Heeney and Mills would have had to turn to NRL or soccer to become professionals and remain in NSW.
 

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MR0808 said:
This win and what Collingwood has done over the last two years shows what happens when you change coach. New ideas, new methodologies, very similar team and look what happens. Things get stale, and it's a good chance for us to look at it.
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Dont just chuck an existing assistant in
 
MR0808 said:
This win and what Collingwood has done over the last two years shows what happens when you change coach. New ideas, new methodologies, very similar team and look what happens. Things get stale, and it's a good chance for us to look at it.
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Last year people thought Scott was past it

How many wanted Hardwick sacked in 2016?

I wish it was just that easy. I think Buckley had a negative game plan and lost the team. McCrae gets generational talent draft picks and is hailed a saviour

Crazy how things turn out sometimes
 
MR0808 said:
This win and what Collingwood has done over the last two years shows what happens when you change coach. New ideas, new methodologies, very similar team and look what happens. Things get stale, and it's a good chance for us to look at it.
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Here we go. Another baby flies out the window in a stream of bathwater.

Last year we knocked Pies out of the PF by one point. This year we made finals despite a horrific start, losing the spine of the team through injuries. Horse has continued to keep Swans in finals contention despite AFL handicaps.

Many of the Pies wins were squeaked home with the umpires getting them over the line. If the two teams swapped coaches Horse could make the Pies unbeatable, except he would do it without a player like De Goey. I can't see Horse coaching a player who assaults women.
 
The AFL rules allow for manipulation. Too much interpretation, there are too many rules that players can exploit to win the ball without merit. The umpires have too much of an impact on the result of games (and I think that's by design).

Tbh, if I think critically about the AFL and the Vic bias, unfair advantages to Victorian clubs etc. It's really not good enough for a national competition that rakes in as much money as the AFL does.

If the interstate clubs created a break away league I'd gladly ditch the AFL. But that's never going to happen.

I just feel like a bit of a mug bothering to follow such a corrupt and compromised competition.

It's like, here's a team in Sydney for you to support. You're welcome to spend your hard earned on memberships, apparel etc. But we're going to stack it in Victorian teams favour because a majority of the teams and fans come from Victoria and they were here first.

Enjoy!
 

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RilesMacca said:
Well done Pies, best team all year cracking grand final it was. Feel for the Lions, credit to them on being able to kick some quality goals through their fewer opportunities. Lost their forward half winners as the game wore on and the pies controlled it better. Good on Darcy Cameron too.

Wonder how Grundy is feeling at the moment too, this might give him fuel for next year perhaps.
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Grundy's happy because he gets the $$$$$$$$
 
RubbaDuck said:
Here we go. Another baby flies out the window in a stream of bathwater.

Last year we knocked Pies out of the PF by one point. This year we made finals despite a horrific start, losing the spine of the team through injuries. Horse has continued to keep Swans in finals contention despite AFL handicaps.

Many of the Pies wins were squeaked home with the umpires getting them over the line. If the two teams swapped coaches Horse could make the Pies unbeatable, except he would do it without a player like De Goey. I can't see Horse coaching a player who assaults women.
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This wasn't a once off for me. I've been saying it for a long time. The game plan is stale, we keep getting close but close enough doesn't win the premiership.

After 13 years, we need new thinking at the top, because as good as horse is, he's human, and humans get stuck in their ways
 
Banyo Bloods said:
Great final

Makes our capitulation even more annoying seeing a contest like that. Geelong would have beaten those teams though.

Jarrod Berry you muppet

Congrats to Collingwood the club and fans aside the team aren’t bad to watch.
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A few selfish moments cost that game.
Berry's 50.
Rainer..........many times.
 
RubbaDuck said:
Here we go. Another baby flies out the window in a stream of bathwater.

Last year we knocked Pies out of the PF by one point. This year we made finals despite a horrific start, losing the spine of the team through injuries. Horse has continued to keep Swans in finals contention despite AFL handicaps.

Many of the Pies wins were squeaked home with the umpires getting them over the line. If the two teams swapped coaches Horse could make the Pies unbeatable, except he would do it without a player like De Goey. I can't see Horse coaching a player who assaults women.
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Rubbish, Horse has had more talent than Mcrae had today at his disposal and come up short.

Not sure what he has done to suggest he out performs him if they swap places.
 
Geez, every time any team wins a GF there's are calls to sack Horse from the usual suspects. The average team reaches a GF every nine years. They get up for a while, play a few finals, maybe win one or two, then slide down the ladder to scoop up picks and rebound, much like the Pies did in 2021. Personally, I hate it when my team's not playing finals. Thankfully I support the Swans and we almost never miss finals.
 
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