List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

New_Roo · Oct 28, 2023

Passmore said:
Melbourne have offered their whole draft hand and the best part of next year's, Hawthorn two pointy end firsts and we're into him hard. And these are just the bids we know of.

Would suggest he's rated pretty high by those that matter.

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shintemaster · Oct 28, 2023

kirbonavich said:
Free Agency to be reviewed... Source.

The McKay effect.

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At this point it is basically formal AFL policy to review any decision or rule that is seen in any way to benefit North Melbourne.

What a competition of whinging bastards.

Roo096 · Oct 28, 2023

Reid might be the standout player now but who's to say in 1-2 years time a Mckercher,Dursma or a Curtain won't have closed the gap.Patience North take 2&3 15,17,18 and fill those holes

shintemaster · Oct 28, 2023

Mop said:
Pick 2, chief. Not 3. 3 doesn’t cut it.

The welcome mat is becoming worn.

shintemaster · Oct 28, 2023

choppy said:
That would be a first

First time we have changed rules
Sliding rule with Thomas
Weekend Bye before finals
Having 19 on field
There is 6 others
FFS

Fascinating how often rules are fine until we're involved.

LB2Snake · Oct 28, 2023

The Y Factor said:
Your point is proven “at this stage”.

All clubs are playing hard ball because they have time and want their members to think/ know they are trying to get the most for their club.

North tends to work in good faith( much to our frustration at times) so if a deal is done , there will be a win/ win exchange of picks.

My personal feeling is that we will add our future first into the mix to get a deal done as I believe WC want a trade badly and North want Reid badly so it will happen.

Our future first? No way.......unless we aren't giving any of the single digit picks

Its a Process · Oct 28, 2023

shintemaster said:
Fascinating how often rules are fine until we're involved.

Couple others.
Mason Wood shot clock
Lindsay and high tackles (5 years after Selwood had been doing it flat out)
The centre bounce re-call. (This was my favourite after Simmo took advantage of a bad bounce against the Pies)

pupstar · Oct 28, 2023

Psicosis said:
I don’t read that and say conclusively that anything was rejected. WC would be stupid to do a deal yet.

Its a Process said:
Couple others.
Mason Wood shot clock
Lindsay and high tackles (5 years after Selwood had been doing it flat out)
The centre bounce re-call. (This was my favourite after Simmo took advantage of a bad bounce against the Pies)

Was McKernan's trip one as well cost him a fair bit.

4cunningTonneTruck · Oct 28, 2023

Roo096 said:
Reid might be the standout player now but who's to say in 1-2 years time a Mckercher,Dursma or a Curtain won't have closed the gap.Patience North take 2&3 15,17,18 and fill those holes

No doubt. No one has a crystal ball. But the same could be said that with the 3 picks we would trade to WC. 1 might be a role player and the other 2 might be spuds that are delisted in 4 years time, and Reid could captain a team to a flag. Who knows at this stage.

FootySmartSimpson · Oct 28, 2023

Zebrah said:
2012

15: Taylor Garner
17: Josh Simpson
18: Brodie Grundy

2013

15: Zac Jones
17: Matthew Appeness
18: Luke Dunstan

2014

15: Jarrod Garlett
17: Kyle Langford
18: Isaac Heeney

2015

15: Daniel Rioli
17: Tom Doedee
18: Jade Gresham

2016

15: Jordan Gallucci
17: Jarrod Berry
18: Sam Powell-Pepper

2017

15: Zac Bailey
17: Jack Higgins
18: Brandon Starcevich

2018

15: Jordan Clark
17: Sam Stuey
18: Xavier Duursma

2019

15: Cody Weightman
17: Brodie Kemp
18: Mitch Georgiardes

2020

15: Conor Stone
17: Oliver Henry
18: Ryan Angwin

2021

15: Leek Aleer
17: Tom Brown
18: Angus Sheldrick

2022

15: Mathew Jefferson
17: Max Michalanney
18: Joshua Weddle

Some decent names in there for sure. 2015 had some decent value there.

ToxicMegaPunts · Oct 28, 2023

Roo096 said:
Reid might be the standout player now but who's to say in 1-2 years time a Mckercher,Dursma or a Curtain won't have closed the gap.Patience North take 2&3 15,17,18 and fill those holes

Joshen · Oct 28, 2023

Continuing the lonely 3 for 6 and 11 train, it's a mixed bag on whether you'd do the trade in hindsight - 2017 being the most amusing.

2013
3: Jack Billings
vs
6: Matthew Scharenberg
11: Dom Sheed

2014
3: Angus Brayshaw
vs
6: Caleb Marchbank
11: Liam Duggan

2015
3: Callum Mills
vs
6: Aaron Francis
11: Wayne Milera

2016
3: Hugh McCluggage
vs
6: Sam Petrevski-Seton
11: Oliver Florent

2017
3: Paddy Dow
vs
6: Jaidyn Stephenson
11: Aiden Bonar

2018
3: Izak Rankine
vs
6: Ben King
11: Jye Caldwell

2019
3: Luke Jackson
vs
6: Fischer McAsey
11: Sam Flanders

2020
3: Will Phillips
vs
6: Denver Grainger-Barras
11: Luke Pedlar

2021
3: Finn Callaghan
vs
6: Josh Rachele
11: Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera

2022
3: Harry Sheezel
vs
6: Bailey Humphrey
11: Oliver Hollands

kool kangas · Oct 28, 2023

LB2Snake said:
Our future first? No way.......unless we aren't giving any of the single digit picks

l would do a Future 2nd with 2.17 and 18 so long as we got back 1 and 23 but only if North desperately wanted Pick #1..

Then we end up with 1,3,15, 23...or keep what we have and chase either GWS or Geeelong 1st round pick..

Jimmac31 · Oct 28, 2023

shintemaster said:
At this point it is basically formal AFL policy to review any decision or rule that is seen in any way to benefit North Melbourne.

What a competition of whinging bastards.

Funny thing is, we already benefitted from it, and that can't be taken away from us. So all this whinging is only going to affect their own potential benefits when one of their players leaves for big money.

Jimmac31 · Oct 28, 2023

EDIT: this was meant to be a reply to someone a few posts back.

GWS moved to get Cadman. A player we were unlikely to take with pick 1. But GWS couldn't be sure. You can't gamble to much on hopes at the top end of the draft when there's only one player suitable to your club.

North are moving to get Harley Reid. A player West Coast WILL take if they hold Pick 1 on draft night.

It's more expensive because it isn't trading for the safety of the pick, it's trading for the actual player. Much like north knocking back offers for the pick 1 we took JHF with. Although, we didn't get the level of offers West Coast are receiving and declining.

4cunningTonneTruck · Oct 28, 2023

Joshen said:
Continuing the lonely 3 for 6 and 11 train, it's a mixed bag on whether you'd do the trade in hindsight - 2017 being the most amusing.

2013
3: Jack Billings
vs
6: Matthew Scharenberg
11: Dom Sheed

2014
3: Angus Brayshaw
vs
6: Caleb Marchbank
11: Liam Duggan

2015
3: Callum Mills
vs
6: Aaron Francis
11: Wayne Milera

2016
3: Hugh McCluggage
vs
6: Sam Petrevski-Seton
11: Oliver Florent

2017
3: Paddy Dow
vs
6: Jaidyn Stephenson
11: Aiden Bonar

2018
3: Izak Rankine
vs
6: Ben King
11: Jye Caldwell

2019
3: Luke Jackson
vs
6: Fischer McAsey
11: Sam Flanders

2020
3: Will Phillips
vs
6: Denver Grainger-Barras
11: Luke Pedlar

2021
3: Finn Callaghan
vs
6: Josh Rachele
11: Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera

2022
3: Harry Sheezel
vs
6: Bailey Humphrey
11: Oliver Hollands

Pick 2 and 3 will be 3 and 4 on draft night so you should be comparing pick 4s

Deleted member 98541 · Oct 28, 2023

shintemaster said:
At this point it is basically formal AFL policy to review any decision or rule that is seen in any way to benefit North Melbourne.

What a competition of whinging bastards.

People need to realise this for what it was. AFL gave us pick 3. They used this years salary to cook the books.

If they were assholes the rule change would've been brought in BEFORE North benefited.

Other than give us a round one PP, what else could they have done this year?

Three picks and generous Mackay compo.

The victim mentality needs to take a breather.

ferball · Oct 28, 2023

shintemaster said:
At this point it is basically formal AFL policy to review any decision or rule that is seen in any way to benefit North Melbourne.

What a competition of whinging bastards.

Bit of a joke isn't it.

ferball · Oct 28, 2023

Jimmac31 said:
Funny thing is, we already benefitted from it, and that can't be taken away from us. So all this whinging is only going to affect their own potential benefits when one of their players leaves for big money.

We have Thomas and Zurhaar potentially leaving in the next year or two.

Deleted member 98541 · Oct 28, 2023

ferball said:
We have Thomas and Zurhaar potentially leaving in the next year or two.

With the CBA increase, I doubt anybody but a legitimate star of the competition will be netting band 1 going fwd.

Afl need to declare as much. "Compo will not be "purchased" by what a panel may deem as buying a higher compensation."

Mogroos · Oct 28, 2023

Would any one trade Shez and Wards for N Daicos. Not likley as good as Daicos is. This talk of WC the envy of the comp with apparently the only prized pick in the draft is a laugh. WC will not get pick 2 and 3 for pick 1. We have two prized picks and recent history says they will 200 + gamers plus. Add a likley top five pick next draft and thats 5 top five picks in three years plus Wil Phil. We are not desperate for Reid sadly for WC.

4cunningTonneTruck · Oct 28, 2023

Mogroos said:
Would any one trade Shez and Wards for N Daicos. Not likley as good as Daicos is. This talk of WC the envy of the comp with apparently the only prized pick in the draft is a laugh. WC will not get pick 2 and 3 for pick 1. We have two prized picks and recent history says they will 200 + gamers plus. Add a likley top five pick next draft and thats 5 top five picks in three years plus Wil Phil. We are not desperate for Reid sadly for WC.

No but I would trade Sam Darcy and Finn Callaghan for Daicos which is a more accurate representation of this year's draft. The best player is Reid and 2nd best is tied to GC so you need to compare the 3rd and 4th best player.

DocSholl · Oct 28, 2023

Its a Process said:
Couple others.
Mason Wood shot clock
Lindsay and high tackles (5 years after Selwood had been doing it flat out)
The centre bounce re-call. (This was my favourite after Simmo took advantage of a bad bounce against the Pies)

The bumper being responsible for head clashes after Thomas bumped Ben Reid

Hearts to hearts · Oct 28, 2023

DocSholl said:
The bumper being responsible for head clashes after Thomas bumped Ben Reid

The stupid sliding rule, Lindsay again.

ferball · Oct 28, 2023

Mogroos said:
Would any one trade Shez and Wards for N Daicos. Not likley as good as Daicos is. This talk of WC the envy of the comp with apparently the only prized pick in the draft is a laugh. WC will not get pick 2 and 3 for pick 1. We have two prized picks and recent history says they will 200 + gamers plus. Add a likley top five pick next draft and thats 5 top five picks in three years plus Wil Phil. We are not desperate for Reid sadly for WC.

If Sheeze isn't as good as Daicos the difference is minimal. They are very similar players with very similar output after their first season.

IE Sheeze + another player > Daicos and Daicos + another player > Sheeze. Doesn't matter who the player is. Atu for example.

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