List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, [PLAYERCARD]Alex Witherden[/PLAYERCARD] and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, [PLAYERCARD]Jamaine Jones[/PLAYERCARD] and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Keys]

Consider hawks very smart trading.

They cashed in on carltons desperation for pick 3, landing the extra F2.

If they pay up F1 and F2 for tommy, they’ve paid with carltons F2.

I hope we’re pushing for both the F2 picks they’re holding. Even if it means giving our F3 back

If, and this is unconfirmed, their offer was 14 and F2 for Barrass and F3 then we take what they got for 14 (Carlton’s F1 and F2) plus the F2 they offered

Question is are we ruthless enough to force that to the last half hour so they blink or do we cave first. I know what posters here will think

 

[maverick001]

On the contrary.

Hawks need to get the trade over the line, for several reasons:

They did the smart arse thing blowing the trade period up, would be a pointless exercise should they not land TB, not a good look in the Industry going forward, getting caught playing silly buggers.

• Hawks gave TB the commitment that they could get the trade done, not a good look coming up short, for other player thinking about a similar move. Hawthorn might be a club to avoid.

• Player Managers will have taken note, if you commit to a player and they don't do the deal - Red Flag for the future, as managers will be reluctant to advise their clients, to consider Hawks advances.

• Now this is not insignificant: Paul Conners who happens to own and operate one of the biggest AFL player management business, who manage TB. Conners phoned Hawthorn and gave them an absolute spray, for their little stunt Friday afternoon trading pick 14. Told them if they phone him up about trading one of his players from another Club in the future he will just hang up the phone and not return their calls.

Fair to say the onus in on the Poo's and Wee's to get this trade done to restore some semblance of credibility to their name as trading partners, both with other Clubs, Players and Player Managers.

We are in the driving seat with this one, we want get rogered over this trade, worst case TB is an Eagle in 2025.
TB will know that we were not the ones who blew up the trade.

My guess is that we trade TB to Hawthorn for a F1 & F2, deal goes down 20 minutes before the bell rings.

I hope you're right re the spray from Conners. Seems to have as much clout in the player manager space as anyone

 

[flamingEMBERS]

If we are even thinking about going for Warner next year(we are) then we HAVE to trade out our own f1 for picks this year.

Hopefully that means our f1 for 10+18, giving us 10+12+18+26+Champion in the draft this year.
Add Travaglia, Lindsay, Hynes and a KPD. Thats most bases covered, just the midfield to finish with Warner and a ruckman to find.

Whatever or however many f1s we have next year, Warner will wipe us out of the draft, and likely at least partially out of the 2026 draft. If we keep our f1 we have to use it on Warner, and means we are 2 first round picks(10+18) worse off by the start of 2026. Id rather get access to them now than in 2026/2027

If we dont get Warner then we lost, we split a top 4-6 pick for nothing, but id rather guarantee 10+18 so we can complete the list in the hopes we can get Warner than be fighting over whether we really want Warner or the draft more.


Edit: we have seen how our management handles players we "commit to" when trading now with Baker, I have no doubt we would absolutely trade 4 first round picks for Warner which is obviously overs. Gotta take the option away from ourselves.

Quite depressing that our f1 is only worth 10 & 18 but agree whole heartedly that if we think/know Warner is coming it’s the smart move.

Probably bring it forward and it will be the top pick and Warner changes his mind

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Does anybody have the slightest bit of faith in us doing well in the TB deal tomorrow now?

It's like when I go to my 'special' club in Northbridge. We've shown our true colours and everyone in the circle trade room can now take advantage of us one by one.

 

[Bacchus]

I'm gunna grab that pig and paint its lips bright red. We don't really know what the overall plan is - the club's not going to tell us, because they're certainly not going to tell the entire world. The plan might be completely ****ed, but if so, there's a lot of people putting their names on it right now.

We can judge after the fact, but a lot of stuff is sheer fluke. We got one of the top three players in the 2010 draft even though it was screwed up by Gold Coast. Oh, and at rookie pick 44 (we also got a pretty good player at 4). We've had amazing players in the top 5 - Judd, Nat, probably H.Reid. We've had players that were just good role players like Banfield and Masten.

Picks around 12 can get real class, when they're players that were just a little behind their peers in development (and that doesn't mean bottom-aged, just how fast they can develop). I wanted to see who we'd get at 3, but now I just don't care. Let's see how #12 goes. Let's give Baker and Owies a shot. Let's hope that Hawthorn blink tomorrow morning and give us two x F1 and no returns and we can maybe rattle some cages with that and our F1.

Sure, for a pick in the 10s, we might get Jarrod Brander. But we could also get Darren Glass or Daniel Kerr or Luke Shuey. Beau Waters or Shannon Hurn. A new Sheed or Duggan even would improve our list.

Yeah, that trade looks crap, but we won't know for a couple of years probably.

I don’t think there is any”plan” it’s just words to keep the wolves at bay.

The best plan I’ve heard is the one about trading our future first to Richmond but I don’t think our list team would be thinking about it because they’ve made a commitment to Warner.

 

[InTheWings]

Say we do somehow secure two F1s from Hawthorn tomorrow, giving us three 2025 first round picks. Could we then head straight over to the Sydney mob and give them two of our 2025 F1s plus our 2025 F2 for Warner tomorrow?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I think we need to reach competitive, we’re not there yet and it is a necessary step on the journey.
We just don’t want to plateau and get stuck at competitive.

This is the fear. We've gotten better, albeit without getting anywhere near maximum value from the assets.

Have we gotten better enough to avoid the St Kilda and Essendon tier of perpetually pushing to be relevant but never actually anywhere near a legitimate threat.

I keep coming back to 19 kids aged 21 and under on the list. Natural improvement in them, in a new game plan? The boys of the list is there, Who knows, maybe? But the plateau looks very ominous.

 

[Bender_]

It's like when I go to my 'special' club in Northbridge. We've shown our true colours and everyone in the circle trade room can now take advantage of us one by one.

 

[maverick001]

I think there will definitely be opportunities to trade with the Tigers, they will surely try to push some of there picks into next year.

If that was the case though why didn't we just deal Barrass for Hawks' future picks & pass those on to Tigers for Baker

 

[stallon]

If that was the case though why didn't we just deal Barrass for Hawks' future picks & pass those on to Tigers for Baker

Might be waiting for Bolton trade to be done.
We can still essentially do what you suggest, theres no rush on it

 

[stallon]

Say we do somehow secure two F1s from Hawthorn tomorrow, giving us three 2025 first round picks. Could we then head straight over to the Sydney mob and give them two of our 2025 F1s plus our 2025 F2 for Warner tomorrow?

I think id rather get a couple more first round picks in before selling everything for Warner

 

[larrikin]

My last post in this thread was at 8.24 this morning - post #13,761

As I type this we’re at #15,196 and likely another 10+ posts before I finish this one

That’s 1,435 in a little over 12 hours - roughly 2 posts a minute. It’s been unrelenting

I’ve read every one of those posts and in between work and other things it’s taken me until now to catch up. For most of the day I’ve been 15-20 pages behind. Step away from the thread for half an hour and I’m 5 pages further behind

So by the time I read an oppo supporters post it’s buried 15 pages back from the most recent post and so far back in the dust trail it’s irrelevant. Besides none of the posts have been as damning on our club as what our own supporters have posted

Maybe I’ve missed one or two posts that should’ve been actioned but tbh after reading 1,000+ posts mostly dumping on the club, often justified, I’ve tended to glaze over some of them. It’s been downright depressing

Forgive me then for not ****ing off a few slightly annoying hawks fans. Especially when not a single post has been reported to highlight anything problematic

I was online pretty much all day. Not 1 reported post.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I don’t think there is any”plan” it’s just words to keep the wolves at bay.

The best plan I’ve heard is the one about trading our future first to Richmond but I don’t think our list team would be thinking about it because they’ve made a commitment to Warner.

The "Plan" is pretty obvious.

It is to stabilise the floor under our performances in the present (i.e. fewer 100 point losses next year) by any means possible including actions that will significantly lower our ceiling in the medium to long term future such as trading out valuable draft capital (and in this case overpaying) for non - long term players.

The reason they won't spell out in plain language what the Plan is is not because it is original and ingenious and letting people know what it is will ruin it. It is because the supporters won't like it.

 

[larrikin]

Makes me suspicious that Baker approached WC early in the piece, and that triggered the dismissal of Simmo and the appointment of Mini. It all seems too snug a fit.

You can't be ****en serious.

FFS grow a brain.

 

[Mop]

Makes me suspicious that Baker approached WC early in the piece, and that triggered the dismissal of Simmo and the appointment of Mini. It all seems too snug a fit.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

It might get worse. They might sell Barrass tomorrow for a F2 out of some sense of obligation to Barrass.

They are clearly determined to offload him. They have loudly and stupidly telegraphed that. Hawthorn will have seen that and will no doubt continue to hold the line with a low ball offer. And we will accept it when there is 10 mins to go in the trade period.

Rubbish!

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You can say that as many times as you like, such that you can be extra mad if we’re awful again, but that doesn’t make it true.

We’ve not topped up to go chips in on a flag tilt. You know this, so spare us the hysterics. Even me writing this now is folly.

We’ve tried to fill a gap in our list in a pretty crucial bracket, given how astonishingly bare the 25-29 year old cupboard is. You don’t need to agree with that being a need, and certainly you’d get minimal pushback on how eye wateringly steep the price we paid was.

19 of the 42 players on our list are 21 or younger. We’re moving Barrass for future picks and going to have to hit next year’s draft as a result of moves in this period.

Really can’t be bothered reading the fake outrage “well better get the finals tilt going” crap. HQ have given us enough of a stick to beat them with, before we invent pure nonsense ones.

Edit: I see Larri has already handled this far more succinctly. You truly are full of shit.

I’ve posted this many times but 21-25 is our age gap issue. 25-29 is just fine. People thinking 25-29 is the age gap just drinking the Don Pyke cool aid

Just because it isn’t reality that we will make finals it doesn’t mean those actions are not aligned to that. They aim to win more games right away as a core aim. That aim is beyond the blooding of young players and getting more youth in. Denying that is pretending actions don’t have consequences

19 of 42 young players is nothing when 15 of them are in th WAFL… you took opportunities away from them and say you are rebuilding? In my best 22 I legit have 6 youngsters in it. It’s insanely little for a rebuilding side

Fake outage my ass. I’ve been outraged for 12 months. Don’t pretend I’m just angry now. 6 months ago I was told by opinions on Pyke was nonsense… look at us all now…. Now you all want him sacked….

In the end if you aim on competing now, you are aiming on finals. We made decisions to compete now so that’s the aim, no matter how unrealistic achieving it actually is

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I’ve posted this many times but 21-25 is our age gap issue. 25-29 is just fine. People thinking 25-29 is the age gap just drinking the Don Pyke cool aid

Just because it isn’t reality that we will make finals it doesn’t mean that isnt the aim. They aim to win more than 5 games right away as a core aim. That aim is beyond the blooding of young players and getting more youth in. Denying that is pretending actions don’t have consequences

19 of 42 young players is nothing when 15 of them are in th WAFL… you took opportunities away from them and say you are rebuilding? In my best 22 I legit have 6 youngsters in it. It’s insanely little for a rebuilding side

Fake outage my ass. I’ve been outraged for 12 months. Don’t pretend I’m just angry now. 6 months ago I was told by opinions on Pyke was nonsense… look at us all now…. Now you all want him sacked….

In the end if you aim on competing now, you are aiming on finals. Just because you are zero chance of achieving our goal it doesn’t mean it isn’t the goal.

Yep

 

[ziad]

Today is here, time for the perpetually outraged to move on. What can we get done today?

PS: For 14 Baker is better than any player we have drafted at that number for decades.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This is the fear. We've gotten better, albeit without getting anywhere near maximum value from the assets.

Have we gotten better enough to avoid the St Kilda and Essendon tier of perpetually pushing to be relevant but never actually anywhere near a legitimate threat.

I keep coming back to 19 kids aged 21 and under on the list. Natural improvement in them, in a new game plan? The boys of the list is there, Who knows, maybe? But the plateau looks very ominous.

I can’t see them naturally improving in the AFL as they will be stuck in the WAFL. How do you propose Dewar gets a game when we added Owies/Baker in along with a returning Long

I wanted to see Dewar get a good full year at AFL level to grow in our best 22. That won’t happen now.

I wanted Clay Hall to go into the team and have a chance. Jack Graham as a similar role player is now in and in his way.

I wanted FOS in to play round 1 as a AFL ready prospect to get some pace in our midfield. Instead we will likely have a much lesser player who won’t be ready for AFL football (feel most of the AFL ready ones sit in the top 8 this draft)

We needed to hit the draft again. Even Pyke said that. We didn’t. Let’s not spin this as a magical win when it isn’t

 

[ziad]

I can’t see them naturally improving in the AFL as they will be stuck in the WAFL. How do you propose Dewar gets a game when we added Owies/Baker in along with a returning Long

I wanted to see Dewar get a good full year at AFL level to grow in our best 22. That won’t happen now.

I wanted Clay Hall to go into the team and have a chance. Jack Graham as a similar role player is now in and in his way.

I wanted FOS in to play round 1 as a AFL ready prospect to get some pace in our midfield. Instead we will likely have a much lesser player who won’t be ready for AFL football (feel most of the AFL ready ones sit in the top 8 this draft)

We needed to hit the draft again. Even Pyke said that. We didn’t. Let’s not spin this as a magical win when it isn’t

Its simple. First we haver loaded up on great development support. New through their application players need to win a spot in the best 22.

 

[EagleMutt]

The Richmond team song consistently being played at the Adelaide camp in 2017 really messed up don pyke

 

[footy_basis]

The Richmond team song consistently being played at the Adelaide camp in 2017 really messed up don pyke

Pyke, Clarke and Mcqualter need to be as far away from the list and trading as possible. These guys have been given the keys and it's scary. Pyke can't understand why everyone isn't kissing his ass over this.

Supporters are getting desperate and trying to trade next year's top 3 draft pick (f1) for more dud picks this year to save it - just stop...

 

[footy_basis]

The "Plan" is pretty obvious.

It is to stabilise the floor under our performances in the present (i.e. fewer 100 point losses next year) by any means possible including actions that will significantly lower our ceiling in the medium to long term future such as trading out valuable draft capital (and in this case overpaying) for non - long term players.

The reason they won't spell out in plain language what the Plan is is not because it is original and ingenious and letting people know what it is will ruin it. It is because the supporters won't like it.

But how does this 'plan', if we want to call it that, get approved at board level? Isn't scrutinising dumb decisions and providing guidance their entire business and duty?

Now that we have a bunch of peanuts running the list management show (who have never held these positions before), wouldn't the board take it a bit more conservatively and say no?

Something is really wrong with the governance here. This would not have occurred while cransberg was on the board. It's scary to think that this trade period isn't over yet and how much more damage can be done.

 

[Mop]

Pyke, Clarke and Mcqualter need to be as far away from the list and trading as possible. These guys have been given the keys and it's scary. Pyke can't understand why everyone isn't kissing his ass over this.

Supporters are getting desperate and trying to trade next year's top 3 draft pick (f1) for more dud picks this year to save it - just stop...

You want the CEO, list manager and the senior coach far away from the list and trading?

Who do you want to be responsible? The dude at the team store? The dude in the Rick the Rock costume? Karl Langdon?