Review Cats salute in Duncan's 300th

[catempire]

I would argue Thu/Fri night games with Geelong as the home team sucks arse. In Geelong or Melbourne is madness either way.
Fanbase split by two major metropolitan areas.

Pretty much. Thursday just adds the pain of the following day being a weekday.

 

[cats_09]

Missing Dangerfield, or don’t we count his Adelaide games?

Neither Dangerfield or Ablett Jnr will feature as high on the particular table as it's selection criteria is, "Geelong - All Time Player List", so it filters by games played for Geelong

If we then find Dangerfield to find his stats, you can look at his overall record as well as his records for both Adelaide & Geelong



The above is Dangers split record across both teams - the good thing it tells us is that as well as being 3 games away from game #350, he's also only 7 games away from #200 for Geelong


I quite like AFL Tables as an alt option to Footywire as you get a different look at stats and it can be quite good when looking at club based stats, players vs players etc, rather than just an individual player


Here's a link to Dangerfield's page - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Patrick_Dangerfield.html

 

[Turbocat]

Not sure if anyone else mentioned this but the length of quarter ..seemed unrealistic ..how is it that quarters that seemed norm and unfettered by injury stoppage lasted till 35 minute mark ..

 

[And_ROOS]

Don't know if anyone else posted this...

 

[Vdubs]

I'd say pushing him up high just as we enter that run towards finals, simply because it did work last year at times and it links him up with the midfield more. Sort of like Mannagh. It also clears out the forward 50, which helps those out the back goals and key forward isolation. Ultimately I'm happy with a hybrid of roles for Danger at the pointy end (deep forward target, roaming half forward creator, midfield bursts). If he comes back in and it clearly ruins our forward line flow, then of course you would reassess.

I'd love to see us try a couple of modes with a full strength side and our turnover game working nicely.

Agree about Henry.

Good signs from OH last few games, imho.

 

[Mr Meow]

Good signs from OH last few games, imho.

He's been okay.

You know I'm not one to scream and shout about players when they're not delivering their highest level. I realise some find it cathartic.

Most weeks we have so many injuries that the names reeled off to play in VFL just make you roll your eyes. I have heard Stengle, Close, Henry in recent weeks. People were eyeing Neale off before that second half against Port. What do people expect Scott to then roll out in the forward line?

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Watching the replay.

Q2 with 6.50 minutes to go:
“Doggies conceded 39 points from turnovers so far. Currently the third worst opening half over the last five years. This is big from the Cats being able to create the turnover + score from it as well.”

Miers to Atkins, who kicked the goal

 

[Play it Sam]

Not sure if anyone else mentioned this but the length of quarter ..seemed unrealistic ..how is it that quarters that seemed norm and unfettered by injury stoppage lasted till 35 minute mark ..

It's frustrating, feels like an eon in a close game. Back in the day, we didn't have to wait at centre bounce for the damn TV rights, to roll their replays and or advertisements at one time, so long. Or charge up the clock with reviews.
At the game you could always count on 28-29 minutes to siren, or 30 if there'd been a goal fest.

Last week, as Jezza ran and shot for his late goal, the Fox TV clock was three seconds fast.
Likely to induce cardiac arrest with a dodgy clock in a nail biting final.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

There’s lots of complaining about umpires again but anytime I hear how something favours us, a correct decision is the main thing highlighted which makes me think the umpiring wasn’t all that bad.
For example, the Bobby Hill trip was used as a reason we got lucky but it was correct.
Now it’s the Dempsey mark. How was that out on the full? It doesn’t look like it was out on the full at all. What are people looking at? The umpires are right there aswell.

What were the obvious bad decisions last night apart from the Libba throws?

For all the commentary on Ollie Dempsey's controversial mark, it staggers me that I have not seen one mention of Dempsey's jumper being held during the whole contest.... 'it was so noticeable' and I'm sure if the umpire hadn't awarded the mark then he would have received a free kick for having his jumper held.

 

[Turbocat]

It's frustrating, feels like an eon in a close game. Back in the day, we didn't have to wait at centre bounce for the damn TV rights, to roll their replays and or advertisements at one time, so long. Or charge up the clock with reviews.
At the game you could always count on 28-29 minutes to siren, or 30 if there'd been a goal fest.

Last week, as Jezza ran and shot for his late goal, the Fox TV clock was three seconds fast.
Likely to induce cardiac arrest with a dodgy clock in a nail biting final.

But 35 minutes…. something is dead set wrong in the state of Denmark if we are getting to the stage where no extra ordinary event has happened yet we are consistantly running into 30 plus minutes.

Perhaps its time to change the clock at the ground to read actual time. Either countdown or count up to 20.00 without time on included. If the point is to show the actual length of time of the quarter…what time it started and what time since it started .. then it has lost its relativity to the modern game. Its an antiquated method of time display that fails function.

It fails to serve as informative to the point where clubs hold up cards… to tell players how long is left. The display should be about actual time left or actual time used ..not some display of a seemingly random time record that is influenced by so many inputs that it creates an irrelevant information display. All anyone wants to know in a tight game is … how much time left.


On Jez goal… yes ..I was going kick it ..kick it KICK IT… but he got it done. If have often synced up the Ch7 and fox coverage to gauge whos commentary I prefer .. and often the clock is a little bit different.. It makes wonder how they get their clock data.

 

[Turbocat]

For all the commentary on Ollie Dempsey's controversial mark, it staggers me that I have not seen one mention of Dempsey's jumper being held during the whole contest.... 'it was so noticeable' and I'm sure if the umpire hadn't awarded the mark then he would have received a free kick for having his jumper held.

Looks like the mark starts in play to me.

The rule is the ball has to be 100% over the line to be out and where did the mark start , was it controlled or juggled. The umpire behind the play had a clear look at it.

Unless we wish to introduce drones with laser… we have to be willing to accept that most of the time a bias of being in play will be officiated due ..to the 100% rule. Just like when crossing the line for a goal. It must be 100% over ..including pads on goal post.

Add the jumper pull that would have been noticed with less players around… and Demp having a shot was no issue imo. ..and the umps had to make the call in micro seconds.

 

[you pick one]

But 35 minutes…. something is dead set wrong in the state of Denmark if we are getting to the stage where no extra ordinary event has happened yet we are consistantly running into 30 plus minutes.

Perhaps its time to change the clock at the ground to read actual time. Either countdown or count up to 20.00 without time on included. If the point is to show the actual length of time of the quarter…what time it started and what time since it started .. then it has lost its relativity to the modern game. Its an antiquated methods of time display that fails function. It fails to serve as informative to the point where clubs hold up cards… to tell players how long is left. The display should be about actual time left or actual time used ..not some display of a seemingly random time record that is influenced by so many inputs that it creates an irrelevant information display. All anyone wants to know in a tight game is … how much time left.


On Jez goal… yes ..I was going kick it ..kick it KICK IT… but he got it done. If have often synced up the Ch7 and fox coverage to gauge whos commentary I prefer .. and often the clock is a little bit different.. It makes wonder how they get their clock data.

If every quarter had stopped about 1 minute earlier Thursday night we win with a % boost.

 

[you pick one]

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Looks like the mark start in play to me.

The rule is the ball has to be 100% over the line to be out and where did the mark start , was it controlled or juggled. The umpire behind the play had a clear look at it.

Unless we wish to introduce drones with laser… we have to be willing to accept that most of the time a bias of being in play with be officiated due ..to the 100% rule. Just like when crossing the line for a goal. It must be 100% over ..including pads on goal post.

Add the jumper pull that would have been noticed with less players around… and Demp having a shot was no issue imo. ..and the umps had to make the call in micro seconds.

That should put that controversy to bed.

 

[Turbocat]

If every quarter had stopped about 1 minute earlier Thursday night we win with a % boost.

Did we just fail to last long enough? Was the quarter too long for us? Did we switch off… not for the first time that we have conceded a goal late

 

[Gazza Greatness]

He's been okay.

You know I'm not one to scream and shout about players when they're not delivering their highest level. I realise some find it cathartic.

Most weeks we have so many injuries that the names reeled off to play in VFL just make you roll your eyes. I have heard Stengle, Close, Henry in recent weeks. People were eyeing Neale off before that second half against Port. What do people expect Scott to then roll out in the forward line?

One of Ollie Henry's role in our forward-line Mr Meow: is to contest in the air as often as possible and often against a bigger defender (or two) but this is the clubs 'current preference' with Shannon Neale our only really big forward presence and we rarely have our ruckman go deep in forwardline to help out but rather set up defensively which is the right thing to do. Jeremy Cameron with his light frame, understandably is extremely limited in contested aerial contests, which is why Danger has become so crucial to us when it requires contested footy in the forward-line. But overall Ollie is doing OK given the role he is asked to play in the forwardline with his last couple of games definitely on the improve, he just needs to remind himself to keep applying constant pressure both aerially and on the ground and not to be overly selfish when he has ball in hand.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

But 35 minutes…. something is dead set wrong in the state of Denmark if we are getting to the stage where no extra ordinary event has happened yet we are consistantly running into 30 plus minutes.

Perhaps its time to change the clock at the ground to read actual time. Either countdown or count up to 20.00 without time on included. If the point is to show the actual length of time of the quarter…what time it started and what time since it started .. then it has lost its relativity to the modern game. Its an antiquated methods of time display that fails function. It fails to serve as informative to the point where clubs hold up cards… to tell players how long is left. The display should be about actual time left or actual time used ..not some display of a seemingly random time record that is influenced by so many inputs that it creates an irrelevant information display. All anyone wants to know in a tight game is … how much time left.


On Jez goal… yes ..I was going kick it ..kick it KICK IT… but he got it done. If have often synced up the Ch7 and fox coverage to gauge whos commentary I prefer .. and often the clock is a little bit different.. It makes wonder how they get their clock data.

Agree with you Turbocat: and we're aware it's NOT done to keep the suspense of not knowing exactly how much time is remaining but for anyone watching a television screen at home, pubs, clubs or at ground they know the time remaining and of course we have the 'cards being held up' on bench at game highlighting to players that there's only one or two minutes remaining, it all seems so childish.... and seems like it's 'time' for a change!

 

[goyoucatters]

The Kool-Aid on the wonder of this Dogs team flows very freely...

I was listening to a pod of the ABC boys doing their Friday wrap on the AFL. While I'm not the biggest fan, I've generally found Corbin, Ben and Deledio to be relatively fair-minded when it comes to the Cats.

Friday's pod this week featured about five minutes on our game. I don't think they actually talked about the merit of the win at all and instead each one of them went on about how the umpiring potentially affected the outcome. And they then absolutely jumped the shark for me when one of them raised the fact that Stewart had apparently veered into English to coax a free-kick and 50 out of the umpires.

I'm not sure it's actually real hatred with this trio when it comes to the Cats. In fact, Deledio has often celebrated Geelong over time as a club that you can never count out and will always contend. So I think it's actually nothing more than loving the idea that the Dogs could jump up and win the comp, along with an innate boredom that we just won't go away.

Still, when you have to resort to actually constructing a complete re-write of events on the field to suit your narrative, I think it's clear that objectivity has long since left the discussion. English's silly and cynical late bump on Stewart was as textbook 'free-kick and 50' as you are ever likely to see.

#catsarestillmorethanok
#dealwithit

 

[Turbocat]

The Kool-Aid on the wonder of this Dogs team flows very freely...

I was listening to a pod of the ABC boys doing their Friday wrap on the AFL. While I'm not the biggest fan, I've generally found Corbin, Ben and Deledio to be relatively fair-minded when it comes to the Cats.

Friday's pod this week featured about five minutes on our game. I don't think they actually talked about the merit of the win at all and instead each one of them went on about how the umpiring potentially affected the outcome. And they then absolutely jumped the shark for me when one of them raised the fact that Stewart had apparently veered into English to coax a free-kick and 50 out of the umpires.

I'm not sure it's actually real hatred with this trio when it comes to the Cats. In fact, Deledio has often celebrated Geelong over time as a club that you can never count out and will always contend. So I think it's actually nothing more than loving the idea that the Dogs could jump up and win the comp, along with an innate boredom that we just won't go away.

Still, when you have to resort to actually constructing a complete re-write of events on the field to suit your narrative, I think it's clear that objectivity has long since left the discussion. English's silly and cynical late bump on Stewart was as textbook 'free-kick and 50' as you are ever likely to see.

#catsarestillmorethanok
#dealwithit

Changing and interpreting events to suit their ideological persuasion then report these events as facts ...

Sounds very Ch2 ABC …National media representative that we are all paying for.

 

[Commando]

I don't think the players should know how long there is to go, I'd rather they ban the signs on the boundary personally.

10/7/12/7 goals is going to make for some long quarters
Game had 40% more scoring than most, a real throwback

 

[dont stop me meow]

For all the commentary on Ollie Dempsey's controversial mark, it staggers me that I have not seen one mention of Dempsey's jumper being held during the whole contest.... 'it was so noticeable' and I'm sure if the umpire hadn't awarded the mark then he would have received a free kick for having his jumper held.

It's been mentioned numerous times

 

[Gazza Greatness]

It's been mentioned numerous times

Didn't realise, thanks for that

 

[Play it Sam]

But 35 minutes…. something is dead set wrong in the state of Denmark if we are getting to the stage where no extra ordinary event has happened yet we are consistantly running into 30 plus minutes.

Perhaps its time to change the clock at the ground to read actual time. Either countdown or count up to 20.00 without time on included. If the point is to show the actual length of time of the quarter…what time it started and what time since it started .. then it has lost its relativity to the modern game. Its an antiquated method of time display that fails function.

It fails to serve as informative to the point where clubs hold up cards… to tell players how long is left. The display should be about actual time left or actual time used ..not some display of a seemingly random time record that is influenced by so many inputs that it creates an irrelevant information display. All anyone wants to know in a tight game is … how much time left.


On Jez goal… yes ..I was going kick it ..kick it KICK IT… but he got it done. If have often synced up the Ch7 and fox coverage to gauge whos commentary I prefer .. and often the clock is a little bit different.. It makes wonder how they get their clock data.

Really well expressed.This has been my beef for a very long time and glad to find someone else it irritates.
I've asked players about it, and also the side screaming to get players off/on the ground, particularly VFL. They look a bit shocked, as if they just accepted it, then agreed. The whole thing is senseless in this technical age.

BTW: All things timekeeping is in my blood, my Grandfather was timekeeper for South Barwon FC for 20+ years.

 

[Play it Sam]

For all the commentary on Ollie Dempsey's controversial mark, it staggers me that I have not seen one mention of Dempsey's jumper being held during the whole contest.... 'it was so noticeable' and I'm sure if the umpire hadn't awarded the mark then he would have received a free kick for having his jumper held.

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Great you circled that, because you just can't see it in the vision angle. Maybe Ump blind to it? Content to pay the mark, dependant on the boundary umpire was a bit lazy. Either way was going to be contentious. Every time I see something like this I think of poor Hawk, reported for the ridiculous jumper holding shove thing!

 

[Gazza Greatness]

Great you circled that, because you just can't see it in the vision angle. Maybe Ump blind to it? Content to pay the mark, dependant on the boundary umpire was a bit lazy. Either way was going to be contentious. Every time I see something like this I think of poor Hawk, reported for the ridiculous jumper holding shove thing!

I reckon for a period there Play it Sam: no matter what minor indiscretion that occurred, a Geelong player was being outed for a week or two which also included some finals. For memory I think Hawk got done 2 or 3 times which included that ridiculous jumper shove which was BS but I guess he was silly enough to give them a BS reason to do it in the first place.

 

[Turbocat]

Listening to SEN crunchtime …. yet again the jumpers got a negative run with us in the Dogs colour and them in ours . Do they complain about the red advertising on a Pies jumper making them look like StKilda colours?

Pretty intolerant of change imo…. with so many different jumpers. it seem no one is happy unless we are forced to wear mainly white with white shorts . Makes me feel like Id want to say stick it where the lollipop tastes sweet ..and change our home top to have more Navy in it … perhaps shoulders or sides or thicker hoops so they we actually get to wear blue shorts at home.. and let other sides wear their away top ..when at Geelong.

For our next first nations jumper I definitely think we should add some green rather than red… after all who is green? Tas? They are not in yet..