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[Dard Ball Get]

Pardon my ignorance. Who is JSOS?

Jack Silvagni

 

[aussierulesrules]

That’s exactly how it works. If we don’t spend the money, we’ve done all this shuffling for nothing, and if we don’t land a player worthy of paying money to, we will have to pay our current players an inflated amount lol

Yep. Although, a devils advocate argument could be that we could front-load the crap out of some more contracts (eg Nas and Pou, if they sign) and sign some lesser types on smaller coin (eg Bergman, Aleer), and hope that we soon surge naturally and become a more appealing destination for future FA’s- so that they’ll be willing to come without us having to pay crazy overs.

I could see a lot of merit in going that way as well, but as I said yesterday, that route like any other also comes with risks attached, and there are no guarantees whatsoever that it will work, so you could easily make arguments for and against either strategy.

Again, it’s something you could argue about until the end of time. Either could succeed and either could fail.

And none of us here know enough details about what’s really going on on our books and which trees we’ve shaken and been told a hard no to, to be able to make a fully informed argument.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

No problem chasing a defender just the cost that I'd be concerned about. $900k and what ever the draft capital are the only issue. Don't think he's a a particularly exciting player but he is probably a need. I'd still prefer to steal Gruzewski off them.

Is Gruzewski Sudanese? No thank you

 

[gringo2011]

I have no doubt they would be trying.

I just believe he has already made his decision (staying) and it won’t matter either way. He would probably be telling his mates that.

I'm about 90% confident that he'll stay but until the paper work gets signed my anxiety levels are staying high. Most important signature we've had to get done in years. If he goes we'd almost be better to stop chasing players and build hard at the draft. It would put us back 3 or 4 years.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Geez, could you imagine the highly articulate and persuasive pitches coming from JHF....

Nas after hearing JHF’s articulate pitch:

 

[Moquo]

Not the Beef Wellington!

 

[aussierulesrules]

I'm about 90% confident that he'll stay but until the paper work gets signed my anxiety levels are staying high. Most important signature we've had to get done in years. If he goes we'd almost be better to stop chasing players and build hard at the draft. It would put us back 3 or 4 years.

You’d have to think if he left we’d get Bergman (who I suspect we might have on the backburner, in case Nas does leave) and while he’s obviously not as good as Nas, he’s still damn decent, and presumably on the improve, so it’s not like we’d likely only be replacing him with future untried kids, if he does leave.

I suspect that’s why we haven’t made Bergman a formal offer (if that report is correct). He’s plan B if Nas departs.

 

[gringo2011]

Is Gruzewski Sudanese? No thank you

You have a fetish. Can Gubby gets us Mutaz El Nour just to keep you calm please.

 

[gringo2011]

You’d have to think if he left we’d get Bergman (who I suspect we might have on the backburner, in case Nas does leave) and while he’s obviously not as good as Nas, he’s still damn decent, and presumably on the improve, so it’s not like we’d likely only be replacing him with future untried kids, if he does leave.

I suspect that’s why we haven’t made Bergman a formal offer (if that report is correct). He’s plan B if Nas departs.

They are in different stratospheres. Bergman is a poor kick. I'd be very disappointed if it wasn't a top 5 pick and a futute first rounder or something. Even then it won't make up for the loss but at least it would look like some kind of fair value. I wanted Bergman a few years back but he's not someone I think has a lot more levels to go to now.

Seems like exactly the type Port let go for overs just before their potential turns to disappointment. They are experts at off loading those at just the right time.

 

[gringo2011]

And half this board

I think we understand it but the player still has to make sense. It is still going to be taking that option away in the future and if it's the wrong player it's the wrong player.

We have the money to make someone rich. Just got to make it the right one. Paying the most in history to a B grade player is Essendon levels. Watching McKay and Gresham running around on super star money is sad. I just don't want to do that out of desperation. I'd rather my dignity than hire an escort to take to my school reunion.

 

[Sully111]

I don't know if we're offering TDK too much money, but we're so deep in this now we need to show we can get it done.

 

[aussierulesrules]

They are in different stratospheres. Bergman is a poor kick. I'd be very disappointed if it wasn't a top 5 pick and a futute first rounder or something. Even then it won't make up for the loss but at least it would look like some kind of fair value. I wanted Bergman a few years back but he's not someone I think has a lot more levels to go to now.

Seems like exactly the type Port let go for overs just before their potential turns to disappointment. They are experts at off loading those at just the right time.

Maybe, but I don’t think Bergman is necessarily a “poor kick”, especially since he at least has the length and penetration on it that most don’t have, which means that if he does turn it over, it’s more likely to be 55m down the field, rather than 30 or 40.

Those who can kick it that far and get it there as quickly as he does don’t grow on trees, and that’s a weapon you can put to use.

His versatility is also appealing. He’s showing midfield potential despite having possibly never even trained there, and down back he can play a variety of roles, on those who are tall or small, and he can also play defensive or attacking roles.

Port are also bluffing extremely well if they’re trying to offload him. They’re said to be trying to lock him down to what might be the longest contract in the AFL.

 

[stavro#4]

I think we understand it but the player still has to make sense. It is still going to be taking that option away in the future and if it's the wrong player it's the wrong player.

We have the money to make someone rich. Just got to make it the right one. Paying the most in history to a B grade player is Essendon levels. Watching McKay and Gresham running around on super star money is sad. I just don't want to do that out of desperation. I'd rather my dignity than hire an escort to take to my school reunion.

Weren’t you upset at the time we didn’t pay Gresham superstar money to retain?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I think we understand it but the player still has to make sense. It is still going to be taking that option away in the future and if it's the wrong player it's the wrong player.

We have the money to make someone rich. Just got to make it the right one. Paying the most in history to a B grade player is Essendon levels. Watching McKay and Gresham running around on super star money is sad. I just don't want to do that out of desperation. I'd rather my dignity than hire an escort to take to my school reunion.

Comparing TDK to McKay and Gresham is disingenuous, Pookie

And I don’t believe it removes options in the future, they’re smarter than that.

 

[True Believer]

Yep. Although, a devils advocate argument could be that we could front-load the crap out of some more contracts (eg Nas and Pou, if they sign) and sign some lesser types on smaller coin (eg Bergman, Aleer), and hope that we soon surge naturally and become a more appealing destination for future FA’s- so that they’ll be willing to come without us having to pay crazy overs.

I could see a lot of merit in going that way as well, but as I said yesterday, that route like any other also comes with risks attached, and there are no guarantees whatsoever that it will work, so you could easily make arguments for and against either strategy.

Again, it’s something you could argue about until the end of time. Either could succeed and either could fail.

And none of us here know enough details about what’s really going on on our books and which trees we’ve shaken and been told a hard no to, to be able to make a fully informed argument.

This is a great post, and all of these points aside for one moment, I think the deciding factor becomes the potential to change the narrative about us by using the cap space to get TDK through the door this off-season. It may not end up being the game-changer in free agent attraction in the future that we hope for, but if we don't try it, then we are simply repeating the same tactics we have tried unsuccessfully in the past..... and that makes no sense.

 

[The_Steadier]

Port sent this to persuade NAS to make a massive life changing decision?



Rest easy folks- billy bob couldn't convince anyone to switch brands of cereal.

 

[True Believer]

I'd rather my dignity than hire an escort to take to my school reunion.

Hey - don't knock it until you've tried it!

 

[Sully111]

It wasn't that long ago we were looked at as a club with no A grade players. We could potentially have 4 All Australians this year will Nas, Wilkie, Sincs and Higgins.

If we can keep Nas and bring TDK in, with the likes of Owens etc running around, we're starting to look like the makings of a serious list.

Eagles loss was a kick in the teeth (to me it was, anyway... shook my belief) but there's no denying we're in better shape that we've been in for a long time.

One thing I'd love to go in our favour is for [PLAYERCARD]Hunter Clark[/PLAYERCARD] to get a decent injury free run. I still think his best could be yet to come.

 

[Sully111]

Port sent this to persuade NAS to make a massive life changing decision?

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Rest easy folks- billy bob couldn't convince anyone to switch brands of cereal.

 

[PJays]

Paying the most in history to a B grade player is Essendon levels. Watching McKay and Gresham running around on super star money is sad. I just don't want to do that out of desperation. I'd rather my dignity than hire an escort to take to my school reunion.

100%

I don't know if we're offering TDK too much money, but we're so deep in this now we need to show we can get it done.

It's not too late to back out

This is a bit cruel, but I'm half hoping De Koning does an ACL or something just so St Kilda takes their offer off the table.

My previous hope - that Carlton makes a finals run and contends for the flag so he'd stay - that horse has bolted. Just can't see another post bye miracle like 2023.

 

[jwikked]

This is a bit cruel, but I'm half hoping De Koning does an ACL or something just so St Kilda takes their offer off the table.

If that happened, not a single player manager would deal with st Kilda ever again

 

[The_Steadier]

100%


It's not too late to back out

This is a bit cruel, but I'm half hoping De Koning does an ACL or something just so St Kilda takes their offer off the table.

My previous hope - that Carlton makes a finals run and contends for the flag so he'd stay - that horse has bolted. Just can't see another post bye miracle like 2023.

Lol- jokes on you.

We'd probably up our offer if he did an ACL.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

100%


It's not too late to back out

This is a bit cruel, but I'm half hoping De Koning does an ACL or something just so St Kilda takes their offer off the table.

My previous hope - that Carlton makes a finals run and contends for the flag so he'd stay - that horse has bolted. Just can't see another post bye miracle like 2023.

Room temp IQ stuff this

 

[marcus1232]

Room temp IQ stuff this

Your being generous at Room temp

 

[Linton Street Saint]

100%


It's not too late to back out

This is a bit cruel, but I'm half hoping De Koning does an ACL or something just so St Kilda takes their offer off the table.

My previous hope - that Carlton makes a finals run and contends for the flag so he'd stay - that horse has bolted. Just can't see another post bye miracle like 2023.

Weren't you the one going on about providing 'just the facts and rational thought'

Seems what you actually enjoy going on about is the sound of your own voice.

A grade dogshit take.