List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency 2025

[King Patty]

Tigers need multiple picks, more so than Reid at this time.
Would even consider trading back one of pick 2/3 for multiple picks in top 10
Especially with lalors inury taken into consideration.

Trading back, then trading out also would be an option.

Split say 2 + 20 for 4/5 off ess

then pick 3 + 4 in draft then trade 5 for a future first. or trade back again and trade out a late first to North for their future first.

 

[sanaya]

Yeah but who’d want to trade into a draft with no stand out talents?

 

[hammer180]

Yeah but who’d want to trade into a draft with no stand out talents?

Carlton would they seem desperate atm

 

[chriso11]

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Does he drop marks and lip off like the other Duursma

 

[King Patty]

Yeah but who’d want to trade into a draft with no stand out talents?

maybe a club with a highly rated 2026 NGA or father son.
Blues - Cody Walker
Port - Dougie Cochrane

but with bidding needing more points to match, probably not many takers.

Does he drop marks and lip off like the other Duursma

He's more similar to the North Duursma than Essendon one.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think you got the wrong match there somehow.

Daicos got 6 votes v Eagles but he is over 2 years older than Reid, getting fed by the top team, where Reid is playing for the bottom team.

This is a very red herring argument by you.

Yes you are correct must have been another game but still close enough

Collingwood v West Coast​

10 Scott Pendlebury (COLL)
6 Nick Daicos (COLL)
5 Liam Baker (WCE)
5 Brady Hough (WCE)
2 Darcy Cameron (COLL)
2 Jeremy Howe (COLL)

Still no Reid
Nick daicos
34 possessions
21 kicks
13 hanballs
10 marks
3 tackles


But people remember Harley pushing daicos out of the way

 

[richoatthedisco]

Feels like we need to land some value free agents before we land the doozy like Reid. Who is our Maric, Houli, Nank, Grigg, Lambert? These guys came in first and set the bar for professionalism, then we layered on the star with Lynch while the A grade youngsters came through. I feel like we have some A grade youngsters, maybe go again this year with more 1st round picks, and then look for some good free agents next. The big bucks star power can come when we are well and truly on the rebound

There is no 'before'. Either we get Reid this off-season or we don't get him at all.

None of those five players you mentioned were free agents, by the way.

A free agent has to be at least 26 to have spent eight years on a list. That's too old for us.

Get Harley and the free agents will be calling Blair in two years.

Tigers need multiple picks, more so than Reid at this time.
Would even consider trading back one of pick 2/3 for multiple picks in top 10
Especially with lalors inury taken into consideration.

Trading back, then trading out also would be an option.

Split say 2 + 20 for 4/5 off ess

then pick 3 + 4 in draft then trade 5 for a future first. or trade back again and trade out a late first to North for their future first.

Wrong account, champ.

 

[chriso11]

There is no 'before'. Either we get Reid this off-season or we don't get him at all.

None of those five players you mentioned were free agents, by the way.

A free agent has to be at least 26 to have spent eight years on a list. That's too old for us.

Get Harley and the free agents will be calling Blair in two years.


Wrong account, champ.

Free agent / value trades… same same

Admittedly there is risk. We don’t want another Koschitzke. But somehow we nailed all those trades back then. Maybe we can be positive about it

 

[BILC]

Its really not about what we have in the cap but more the precedent it sets going foward
teams that over pay are never successful going foward.
What happens when Lalor , Faull , Hotton , Campbell see this type of dollars being paid to players like Reid when they are out of contract ?
It would be unsustainable is bringing in Reid on $1.6 mil a year going to be worth the pain that will be inflicted in 5 years time just when we are about to challenge again having to pay 6-7 players around $1.2-$1.5 mil a year

Welcome to Carlton list management

Teams that overpay are never successful? We are paying a geriatric Tom Lynch 1.4 mil a year and we won two flags that we wouldn't have won without him.

The idea of front loading the contract is so we don't have to pay him 1.6 million in 5 years time.

If in 5 years time we have 6-7 players deserving of $1.2 - $1.5 mil contracts then that's a pretty bloody good problem to have.

 

[THE_GUN]

Teams that overpay are never successful? We are paying a geriatric Tom Lynch 1.4 mil a year and we won two flags that we wouldn't have won without him.

The idea of front loading the contract is so we don't have to pay him 1.6 million in 5 years time.

If in 5 years time we have 6-7 players deserving of $1.2 - $1.5 mil contracts then that's a pretty bloody good problem to have.

Going around in circles

all explained above

* Lynch was on $950k x 7 years we backended that

 

[BILC]

Going around in circles

all explained above

* Lynch was on $950k x 7 years we backended that

Yep we backended his deal at the time because that worked for us, whilst this time front ending the deal works for us.

Your points about his flaws are valid, and it's not a given that he's going to become an absolute star. But I think there's enough to point to it being a pretty good chance, and you don't pass up those sort of opportunities if he wants to come.

I don't know what arguing with umpires has got to do with it, Richo was a pretty good player.

 

[Calcium Man]

maybe a club with a highly rated 2026 NGA or father son.
Blues - Cody Walker
Port - Dougie Cochrane

but with bidding needing more points to match, probably not many takers.


He's more similar to the North Duursma than Essendon one.

Cody is coming to Richmond. So that’ll eat up any pick we get for next year

Dougie isn’t a nga yet. So would have to wait for that to be confirmed.

Would also think both teams have been burnt by trading future picks this season… will they do it again?

WCE/Norf/Dees/Saints/Bombers are the only other clubs I think we’d risk ourselves to get a high pick and not convinced any but your mob. Though I think that’s more us trading down and you guys trying to unite the Duursmas.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

We had players like Cotchin , Riewoldt , Rance , Edwards , Vlastuin , Grimes who all took a cut to bring in Lynch for success
this is a very different scenario for an unproven player coming in on much more than a proven player like Dusty or Lynch

Reid's 2025 performance would be lucky to be worth $500k-$600k
sure he will be better going foward but how much better and the chances of him becoming the next Dusty are slim

Its not the position its the contract and the flow on effect

Right now, our list doesn't add up to our salary cap. And won't do our the next 3-4 years most likely. So there is going to be a pile of money that has to be paid to somebody. I haven't tried to calculate it, but that pile of money is likely to be in the 8 figures, ie $10m+, and more likely closer to $20m. This is before hopefully our strong draftees start commanding a much bigger share of the cap.

So let's say it is $15-20m that needs to be spent on players from other clubs over the next 3-4 years. To get those players to want to come to a bottom 2 club, we will need to overpay them. So whether the amount is paid to Harley Reid, or a few Sheldricks/Garcias etc, or a salary dump or two or three, or Luke Jackson, or whoever, it needs to be spent on players not currently on our list, and not about to be drafted.

So who are you spending it on in preference to Harley Reid who gives us a greater chance of winning flags when our window opens?

 

[hammer180]

Right now, our list doesn't add up to our salary cap. And won't do our the next 3-4 years most likely. So there is going to be a pile of money that has to be paid to somebody. I haven't tried to calculate it, but that pile of money is likely to be in the 8 figures, ie $10m+. This is before hopefully our strong draftees start commanding a much bigger share of the cap.

So let's say it is $10m that needs to be spent on players from other clubs over the next 3-4 years. To get those players to want to come to a bottom 2 club, we will need to overpay them. So whether the amount is paid to Harley Reid, or a few Sheldricks/Garcias etc, or a salary dump or two or three, or Luke Jackson, or whoever, it needs to be spent on players not currently on our list, and not about to be drafted.

So who are you spending it on in preference to Harley Reid who gives us a greater chance of winning flags when our window opens?

Luke jackson for me is number 1 (dont think there's any chance we get him though)
Bont and reid
Should just try and get all 3 this yr.

 

[Sol23]

I’ve warmed to Flanders and still want reid. No interest in this draft.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Luke jackson for me is number 1 (dont think there's any chance we get him though)

That is the big thing. Getting Reid looks a realistic chance. Anyone else we mention of the really big fish, we probably have very little chance outside of making insanely high offers.

 

[hammer180]

That is the big thing. Getting Reid looks a realistic chance. Anyone else we mention of the really big fish, we probably have very little chance outside of making insanely high offers

Yeah unfortunately that's pretty accurate
tdk would be an option (won't cost draft capital either but I think is about the 7th-10th best ruck) so don't actually want him

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Yeah unfortunately that's pretty accurate
tdk would be an option (won't cost draft capital either but I think is about the 7th-10th best ruck) so don't actually want him

No way I am giving TDK the type of money they are talking about Saints offering him. No way Richmond would even entertain him imo, he is simply not our type of ruck. Not physical enough and his 1 wood is grabbing it out of the ruck, burning his mids, and hacking it forward to waiting interceptors. You are paying huge cash for a ruck who if anything, puts you behind when opposed with strong rucks.

 

[4tune8]

No way I am giving TDK the type of money they are talking about Saints offering him. No way Richmond would even entertain him imo, he is simply not our type of ruck. Not physical enough and his 1 wood is grabbing it out of the ruck, burning his mids, and hacking it forward to waiting interceptors. You are paying huge cash for a ruck who if anything, puts you behind when opposed with strong rucks.

Ruck is going to be our biggest weakness going forward. Reckon Balta would do just as good a job as TDK, possibly better as an extra mid along the lines of Jackson but without the tank.

There's a few backup rucks that could possibly be winkled out of oppo teams, Nick Madden and both the Visentini boys have shown some promise in developing as No.1 rucks.

 

[hammer180]

No way I am giving TDK the type of money they are talking about Saints offering him. No way Richmond would even entertain him imo, he is simply not our type of ruck. Not physical enough and his 1 wood is grabbing it out of the ruck, burning his mids, and hacking it forward to waiting interceptors. You are paying huge cash for a ruck who if anything, puts you behind when opposed with strong rucks.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that sees this, everything you said i completely agree with, he is ineffective by foot and teams that want him will want him to plays as a 4th midfielder after the ruck which is really isn't. He reminds me of a natanui from wish even that seems disrespectfulto natanui. His back up ruckmen is a better actual ruck as well.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Free agent / value trades… same same

Admittedly there is risk. We don’t want another Koschitzke. But somehow we nailed all those trades back then. Maybe we can be positive about it

It's not same-same, because free agents are at least 26, which is too old for us right now (and we're too low for them if they have ambition). I'm all for adding a couple of low cost 22-year-olds in the Grigg/Houli mode. Between them they cost a PSD pick and a bloke we drafted in the 70s. So who you got in mind for that money?

 

[db26]

No to Reid we still need multiple talent to come in and need the picks and the last month has even emphasised it more. Split one of our picks get couple of multiple picks or trade into 2026.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that sees this, everything you said i completely agree with, he is ineffective by foot and teams that want him will want him to plays as a 4th midfielder after the ruck which is really isn't. He reminds me of a natanui from wish even that seems disrespectfulto natanui. His back up ruckmen is a better actual ruck as well.

Naitanui was a tremendous player. He used his bulk, athleticism and tap work to bring his midfielders and forwards into the game. Dekoning is nothing like him imo. The only stat where he is even near the leading ruck this year is handball receives, which he leads. You are not paying a ruck $1.7m who needs you to handball it to him.

 

[tiger_tough]

Tigers need multiple picks, more so than Reid at this time.
Would even consider trading back one of pick 2/3 for multiple picks in top 10
Especially with lalors inury taken into consideration.

Trading back, then trading out also would be an option.

Split say 2 + 20 for 4/5 off ess

then pick 3 + 4 in draft then trade 5 for a future first. or trade back again and trade out a late first to North for their future first.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Right now, our list doesn't add up to our salary cap. And won't do our the next 3-4 years most likely. So there is going to be a pile of money that has to be paid to somebody. I haven't tried to calculate it, but that pile of money is likely to be in the 8 figures, ie $10m+, and more likely closer to $20m. This is before hopefully our strong draftees start commanding a much bigger share of the cap.

So let's say it is $15-20m that needs to be spent on players from other clubs over the next 3-4 years. To get those players to want to come to a bottom 2 club, we will need to overpay them. So whether the amount is paid to Harley Reid, or a few Sheldricks/Garcias etc, or a salary dump or two or three, or Luke Jackson, or whoever, it needs to be spent on players not currently on our list, and not about to be drafted.

So who are you spending it on in preference to Harley Reid who gives us a greater chance of winning flags when our window opens?

Yup because of the cap floor any years we aren’t paying that extra money to someone else that we could be we are essentially wasting it on players we currently have

If we have the capital it’s dumb not to make the most of it