List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[HoneyBadger35]

Would hate to lose Ryan, as i think he's worth more to our team than a late second round pick etc

He brings great culture and vibes as well for us.

But if he did wish to start fresh in Victoria.. Would consider a trade with the Saints though for Steele (and a guarantee to back the f*off from Harley). Saints get big salary cap relief + flyin. We get a mature mid and leader.

As you’ve flagged, the problem is there’s a huge gap between the draft pick market and his value for us.

A second rounder that pushes out to the 40s? No thanks.

A first rounder? No chance, and the teams that are interested in him have firsts that are so far out of the range that it’s a non starter.

Only thing I could vaguely get close to, which Essendon wouldn’t go for, is 6 for Ryan and 12(ish, Hawks pick). Seems far too expensive for them and they’d need to be properly obsessed with him to even answer that call let alone say yes.

A F1 from someone who rates themselves (Port?) with Ryan and our F2 going back? Make the case it’s likely Ryan and 19/20/21ish?

I just think the teams that want him have nothing in the range of what he’s worth, and we have no reason to push him just for some academy point scrap picks.

 

[pantskyle]

If Cameron deal is true, we truly have become so irrelevant. That sort of PR breeds, really disappointing. Holds us in really poor shape for October/November. It’s going to be bargain bin seconds for us.

I can't stress this enough. He was always staying at Collingwood.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Watch the footage of when gov delivered his address to the players pregame on the weekend and OA is standing against the wall legs crossed sipping a coffee staring into the abyss. He is awol

Where’s this footage? Keen to see Gov rev the boys!

 

[twce13]

As you’ve flagged, the problem is there’s a huge gap between the draft pick market and his value for us.

A second rounder that pushes out to the 40s? No thanks.

A first rounder? No chance, and the teams that are interested in him have firsts that are so far out of the range that it’s a non starter.

Only thing I could vaguely get close to, which Essendon wouldn’t go for, is 6 for Ryan and 12(ish, Hawks pick). Seems far to expensive for them and they’d need to be properly obsessed with him to even answer that call let alone say yes.

A F1 from someone who rates themselves (Port?) with Ryan and our F2 going back? Make the case it’s likely Ryan and 19/20/21ish?

I just think the teams that want him have nothing in the range of what he’s worth, and we have no reason to push him just for some academy point scrap picks.

I think a F1 is what would interest us. We have enough capital in 25 to achieve what we need.

All that being said, I think he is still in the wings in 26.

 

[mattyc75]

Whats Flynn Riley's draft range? 206cm ruck

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I think a F1 is what would interest us. We have enough capital in 25 to achieve what we need.

All that being said, I think he is still in the wings in 26.

I agree, and I’d take an F1 gladly. But who of those teams would send us one?

St Kilda? In a post NWM world, they’ll stockpile picks. If they keep him…gee, maybe? Would love a St Kilda death ride. Seems incredibly farfetched, even with our F2 going back.

Essendon? Rebuild.

Carlton? Rebuild.

Port if they get tickets on themselves, possibly. Still got an elite midfield group, Mitch G is a star up forward…they’d want to move on from the Ken era quickly. If they’d get on the phone about it, maaaaybe we can talk them into it.

I just don’t see anyone offering it. Would bite a hand off for a good honest death ride of any of those four though. Maybe we get creative and give them something this year along with Ryan for the F1.

 

[Boots73]

If Ryan’s wants to leave would swap him for Steele or Alex Davies

 

[squashface]

I struggle to see Ryan being interested in leaving.

If he did actually request a trade then a future pick is all that would move the needle for me - junk in the 30s is worthless to us in this draft, would rather Liam Ryan

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Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

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[Goomba1973]

Do they ? Based on what ? Are you making this up or is there a source. Makes little sense given they need points to match their two top 5s, so trading up would be strange one (effectively they would be unable to match should the two boys be bid on @3 and 4.

Unless you’re saying we should give up pick 2 for moyle alone, then that’s prob even crazier

well.... steak knives have never been on their own now have they? Moyle is a very good 206cm ruck that can't seem to get a game with GC and they have Read coming through, and it is based on his average of nearly 30 hit outs per match, a high amount of them to advantage, 10 contested possession per game and the fact GC signed him to another 4 years show that they hold him in high regard as well aaaaand GC have already said they are willing to do a deal with WC.

 

[eaglevision]

So we swap Pick 1 and something for 5 and 6 and then Essendon take Sharp, who do we take?

If they swap they will take Duursma.

I also think we’d not agree to a swap if they wanted Sharp.

 

[Elite Pete]

If Ryan’s wants to leave would swap him for Steele or Alex Davies

Essendon- Tsatas or Hobbs?

Saints I would prefer Windhager over Steele. Ready to go

On Mid Week tackle the only one they gave an estimated value on was Hobbs (I think) which was 15-20 originally and Ralphy corrected that to 25-30. Seems like that will be Ryan’s range as well which for me is unders.

 

[RanaNaved]

So we swap Pick 1 and something for 5 and 6 and then Essendon take Sharp, who do we take?

I don't think anyone has Sharp going at 1

 

[dinnaz]

So what. It's a false equivalent. We don't have access to them anyway.

It is still 5 6 in available players to all the clubs

What a myth, Any thought process debunks this myth.

Say Brisbane get a Will Ashcroft but we get Ginbey because we "dont have access".

Brisbane get stronger.
WCE get marginally better.

The Gap widens again. You can extrapolate it but the logic is the same. The draft is broken, so is FA, the salary cap may as well not exist with 3rd party deals in full effect, and soft cap is actually negatively affecting poorer teams.

 

[Barrybran]

Pick 1+14 for 5+6+23 with Essendon
Pick 5+19 for FOS (Schubert as a KPF + whatever at 19)
Pick 2+hawks 2nd for Walter + Davies + GCS f3
Pick 6 for Curtin so the Crows can get NWM
Ryan for Steele(or whatever picks to make it fair)

Take no first rounders to the draft. Pick 23 as the only pick, take a ruck/KPD/whatever idc
Add FOS, Curtin, Walter, Davies, Steele
Add whatever NGAs or f/s

ez

Rebuild complete

2026 midfield of Harley, FOS, Hewett, Steele, Davies, Yeo, Kelly, Hall, Gross. Curtin and Chess/Maric on the wings

2029 midfield of some of Harley, FOS, Hewett, Davies, Hall, Gross. Curtin and Chess/Maric wings

I keep seeing various permutations of 1 for 5 + 6 but I don't see it happening

 

[Goomba1973]

Essendon- Tsatas or Hobbs?

Saints I would prefer Windhager over Steele. Ready to go

On Mid Week tackle the only one they gave an estimated value on was Hobbs (I think) which was 15-20 originally and Ralphy corrected that to 25-30. Seems like that will be Ryan’s range as well which for me is unders.

What about Ryan and pick 19 for the Saints Pick 8 ? The points difference between 19 and 8 is 647 which is a pick in the mid 20s on its own.

 

[stallon]

I keep seeing various permutations of 1 for 5 + 6 but I don't see it happening

Essendon probably have pick 7 as well, as the Draper compo pick, and if they got the hawks 1st out of us theyd have roughly 1, 7, 14 instead of 5, 6, 7
Dont see why they wouldnt do it

I dont see much how they get a deal for pick 1 done unless theyre offering 2 top 10 picks, theyve got **** all else to add to pick 5 to get up to pick 1 tbh - all assuming they want Duursma obviously which I really think they do

 

[Elite Pete]

What about Ryan and pick 19 for the Saints Pick 8 ? The points difference between 19 and 8 is 647 which is a pick in the mid 20s on its own.

I think it’s too much.

They are saying Marshall to the Cats for their first. Which at best might get handed to us but we throw something else on top.

 

[stallon]

What about Ryan and pick 19 for the Saints Pick 8 ? The points difference between 19 and 8 is 647 which is a pick in the mid 20s on its own.

Saints dont care about the points lol, thats valuing Ryan as a mid to late teens pick.

Ryan + the hawks 1st for 8 would be more likely if we are trading up, but still dont think the Saints go for it.
8 ensures they get the younger Phillipou, 14 or whatever the hawks pick ends up at doesnt

 

[WCErevival]

What is Ryan's worth before factoring in other teams picks?

 

[twce13]

well.... steak knives have never been on their own now have they? Moyle is a very good 206cm ruck that can't seem to get a game with GC and they have Read coming through, and it is based on his average of nearly 30 hit outs per match, a high amount of them to advantage, 10 contested possession per game and the fact GC signed him to another 4 years show that they hold him in high regard as well aaaaand GC have already said they are willing to do a deal with WC.

I never said I didn’t want moyle, or require his credentials. Agree he would be a good get.

Just a source of suns desperation to get pick 2?

 

[Goomba1973]

Saints dont care about the points lol, thats valuing Ryan as a mid to late teens pick.

Ryan + the hawks 1st for 8 would be more likely if we are trading up, but still dont think the Saints go for it.
8 ensures they get the younger Phillipou, 14 or whatever the hawks pick ends up at doesnt

but they DO care about being a destination club, they have been desperate to attract players with all the giant offers they have been throwing about, and will likely get multiple first rounders for NWM as I can't see him playing for the saints next year. The younger poo won't go that high , then again it is St Kilda and he might.

 

[Barrybran]

Essendon probably have pick 7 as well, as the Draper compo pick, and if they got the hawks 1st out of us theyd have roughly 1, 7, 14 instead of 5, 6, 7
Dont see why they wouldnt do it

I dont see much how they get a deal for pick 1 done unless theyre offering 2 top 10 picks, theyve got **** all else to add to pick 5 to get up to pick 1 tbh - all assuming they want Duursma obviously which I really think they do

If Draper compo falls as band 1 then yes, I could see them doing it. I've been working on the assumption that noone is dumb enough to pay Sam Draper band 1 money.

If Draper winds up band 2, getting Gold Coast involved would make the first trade work. Alternatively, 2 for 5 + Draper compo is a fairly easy trade for both West Coast and Essendon.

 

[Donkers]

I’m not sure I buy this though. This is an opinion but not clear atm.

The thing is if the talent is similar between 1 and 5/6 then Essendon too would have the same mindset right. The whole we have to have duursma because well Xavier plays here and he came dressed in bombers gear to a game means we are obsessed with him is straw clutching.

Not sure where the future asset comes from, I didn’t reference that. How are you getting a 2nd top 6 pick from trading 1 (and say 19) for 5 and 6?

Seeing more and more of duursma he is an exciting prospect and prob worth holding onto imo.

It was 1, 12-14, 19 for 5,6 + F1

 

[HoneyBadger35]

What is Ryan's worth before factoring in other teams picks?

Something that truly lands in the 20s, not a pick in the 20s that becomes 40.

So it would need to be a late first, given compo/NGA/FS and all the usual bullshit.

I think his on field value to us is higher than that given how thin on the ground we are for good field kicking and forwardline connection, but with a year left on his deal and if he’s amenable enough to leaving without necessarily forcing a trade, something that properly gives us Pick 25 seems right.

Would a club do 12 and 24 for 6? Almost certainly not. Don’t know if the points are close but not checking as points value is an irrelevance in these sorts of trades.

 

[twce13]

It was 1, 12-14, 19 for 5,6 + F1

Oh ok sure, I don’t think I quoted anything like that, but my statement was more just a why are we so desperate to trade down this year (I’ve seen a lot of 1 and 19 for 5 and 6 type deals, didn’t even see what you proposed)

I am for improving our hand next year tho, but I doubt the dons would be keen on that deal, I can’t see them including their F1 at all.