List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[briztoon]

The number 1 cost issue in running a business in Australia, a corporation, medium business or small business is staff - recruiting, training, retaining through salaries, superannuation, loss through absentee, sick leave etc. Business have a budget just like sporting teams, in the sports world it's called a salary cap, in the business world it's called a profit margin.
The last thing any business wants is staff turnover of their valuable employees. Yes businesses find ways to move on under performers, same with sporting teams. Businesses also offer their best employees lots of benefits to keep them but still they will be better offers from competitors. The offers always come for the best staff thats how headhunting companies make a living. competitors want the best staff to get commercial knowledge, to learn processes, to improve productivity, to strengthen management and sometimes simply to damage the competitor.

To suggest large employers actively turn over their average, better or best staff is just silly,

I believe you and I are thinking of very different businesses.

"Valuable" employees tend to be found at a certain level of management and above in the businesses I've worked in.

Where I currently work (3000+ employees), none or the customer facing staff have a chance of receiving benefits beyond Friday KFC or Pizza. The short list (and winner) for employee of the year were all middle management and above, and not one of them actually have any contact with the public or customers, pull double shifts, etc. They might deal with operational issues, but aren't involved with actually operating the business.

Management sure as **** don't listen to staff about how to improve basic operational issues.

they sure do cut the deadwood and most of all they have to stay within their operation budget which necessitates cutting the bottom workers continually. The lions would love to keep Starc and Ah Chee but they also have an operating budget called the salary cap. Footy is business, business is footy.

 

[briztoon]

I know our negotiating position is weak but…
If we lose Starce to a financial offer that blows us out of the water and we only get a pick late in the second round, I’ll be seriously annoyed!

Here's the thing, we're not getting any compensation for Starcevich (or the weakest level of compensation at best), no matter what, if we're bringing in Oscar Allen and Sam Draper as a free agents.

Our only bargaining position is to match a bid and force a trade for a tokenish pick (mid to late second round at best).

If Essendon or West Coast are offering a contract we simply can't match, then we get what the AFL deem appropriate. My opinion is if we get Allen as a restricted free agent, then the AFL will offer us band 4 compensation (a second round pick after our natural pick) at best.

If we bring in both Allen and Draper I believe the AFL will say no compensation. Or we'll get band 5 compensation, a third round pick.

Starce will be their best player overnight.
He’s one of the first picked in a premiership winning team.
To hand over a late second rounder would be a bloody disgrace!
End rant!

If we have a fully healthy list, there's not such thing as first picked. Fagan will have his 23 magnets super glued to the board.

 

[Saucery]

Here's the thing, we're not getting any compensation for Starcevich (or the weakest level of compensation at best), no matter what, if we're bringing in Oscar Allen and Sam Draper as a free agents.

Our only bargaining position is to match a bid and force a trade for a tokenish pick (mid to late second round at best).

If Essendon or West Coast are offering a contract we simply can't match, then we get what the AFL deem appropriate. My opinion is if we get Allen as a restricted free agent, then the AFL will offer us band 4 compensation (a second round pick after our natural pick) at best.

If we bring in both Allen and Draper I believe the AFL will say no compensation. Or we'll get band 5 compensation, a third round pick.

If we have a fully healthy list, there's not such thing as first picked. Fagan will have his 23 magnets super glued to the board.

Would help with accruing draft points at least.

 

[M Malice]

Ins this off season? > Sam Draper, Oscar Allen

4

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

, Daniel Annable, Fergus McFadyen, KPD depth.

Is there any room for Raphael Geesu and/or Harrison Bridge?

 

[briztoon]

Ins this off season? > Sam Draper, Oscar Allen, Daniel Annable, Fergus McFadyen, KPD depth.

Is there any room for Raphael Geesu and/or Harrison Bridge?

Bridge not really on my radar any more. Hasn't really progressed from U16's, and Murray already ahead of him as a player.

I really like Oscar Barry. Believe he's got the physical attributes and game to be a bigger version of Starcevich.

 

[Perrip]

Ins this off season? > Sam Draper, Oscar Allen, Daniel Annable, Fergus McFadyen, KPD depth.

Is there any room for Raphael Geesu and/or Harrison Bridge?

We'll also have that Irish guy, if he chooses AFL + Brisbane. And have to upgrade Brain to the senior list.

 

[M Malice]

Bridge not really on my radar any more. Hasn't really progressed from U16's, and Murray already ahead of him as a player.

I really like Oscar Barry. Believe he's got the physical attributes and game to be a bigger version of Starcevich.

I can't recall ever seeing him play/highlights, I googled him with Rookie me Central and the only thing that showed up was a 3 year old article, has he been injured?

 

[briztoon]

I can't recall ever seeing him play/highlights, I googled him with Rookie me Central and the only thing that showed up was a 3 year old article, has he been injured?

Not that I'm aware. Played in the academy series earlier in the season, but didn't get selected for the Allies.

Pretty much plays as a third tall defender, who can rebound when the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Viceregal]

Re our three pest team taking unders ... iirc weren't Voss and a few others on pretty good back ended deals which really meant they got paid full value but negativity affected us 2005+ especially when his injuries caught up with him?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Ins this off season? > Sam Draper, Oscar Allen, Daniel Annable, Fergus McFadyen, KPD depth.

Is there any room for Raphael Geesu and/or Harrison Bridge?

Malcom Rosas a chance I reckon

 

[Elixuh]

What would we do if the Eagles big footy board came hard for Briztoon in the big footy board trade period?

What sort of offer would get it done or would we just say Briz is untradeable?

Briztoon is an untouchable.

Those BASTARDS on the WCE board don’t deserve him.

 

[The Zork]

What would we do if the Eagles big footy board came hard for Briztoon in the big footy board trade period?

What sort of offer would get it done or would we just say Briz is untradeable?

He’s a required poster

 

[Perrip]

 

[Nathan Barley]

Huge

We’ve been rumoured to be into him in the past

 

[MSB ROYS]

Do the Lions know Ridley wants to play here?

 

[Elixuh]

Do the Lions know Ridley wants to play here?

That’s a good starting point

 

[Bucking Beads]

That's a massive contract he's already got. Wow. This is one that won't happen unless someone big wants to leave us I would imagine.

 

[Toffee Lion]

We have a decent track record of fixing some guys, I'm not sure this guy is fixable.

Would only be interested if we do lose Starcevich but we'd have to actually trade to get this guy and I'm not sure what we'd be willing to give up would match what Essendon would want or be worth it for us.

 

[Clarkythelion]

I dont know anything about him other than he is a defender that is apparently elite by foot. Is he a Doedee type in style and injury history as in lots of missed games? A back flanker type that would replace Starc or Darcy Gardiner

27

Darcy Gardiner

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.1

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.1

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

? Presume we have to trade and we pretty much have nothing to trade to get a deal done.

 

[T Rick]

I dont know anything about him other than he is a defender that is apparently elite by foot. Is he a Doedee type in style and injury history as in lots of missed games? A back flanker type that would replace Starc or Darcy Gardiner? Presume we have to trade and we pretty much have nothing to trade to get a deal done.

Wasn't Starcevich linked to Essendon last week?

 

[Nathan Barley]

I dont know anything about him other than he is a defender that is apparently elite by foot. Is he a Doedee type in style and injury history as in lots of missed games? A back flanker type that would replace Starc or Darcy Gardiner? Presume we have to trade and we pretty much have nothing to trade to get a deal done.

Doedee type interceptor. Could come in for Lester as a third tall

 

[rye]

seriously good footballer when hes on the park but has a horrible injury history.

id be shocked if essendon let him walk personally.

 

[mpal6]

Wasn't Starcevich linked to Essendon last week?

Yep, weird timing. Player Managers at work I reckon.

If he wants to come he might be amenable to fitting under our cap. Just a guess though, long way to go.

 

[Nunez]

Absolute gun. If we are losing Starce and Ah Chee, I can see it happening.

 

[mpal6]

Brisbane Lions - the messiah club with golden gates which injured players want to walk through to get better, fitter, faster and become a winner !