List Mgmt. 2026 List Management Discussion

[Grasshopper17]

I'm not sure this would be a good idea, as the Vic media is certainly after our academies.

Mentioned on another club board, but there's a genuine possibility that the top 4 be the 4 northern clubs, and the top 6 could add Freo and Adelaide.

That would mean there would not be a game in Victoria for 3 weekends in September. At least.

Here for that. If they gonna whinge anyway, might as well give em something worth whinging about.

 

[mpal6]

I've come around to the idea that Fagan has just thrown a grenade via that interview so the narrative shifts away from Neale n players personal lives.

Old fox is too wily and been around for too long to be stumped by such silly narratives - so the only scenario that makes sense is this is voluntary from him to keep media chewing at something regarding Brisbane. Good on him.

 

[martinson]

The media and other clubs dined out on the go home 5 for years as an illustration of what a pathetic club we were particularly in list management and player access and retention.

Now that players want to come and we use all within the rules to access talent it's suddenly unfair. To clubs who are like we were.

 

[GC2015]

Just read this article and did the quick math on the 268 AFL games he's played to date - 5 H&A games to go this season and it's probably fair to assume Brisbane will play at least 2 finals matches this season. That will take him up to 275 and obviously if he plays on next year then he has the opportunity to add an extra 23 H&A games + finals. Basically I wanted to ask if you guys think he'll reach 300 games? Would be pretty incredible for a guy that wasn't drafted until he was 22 years of age and debuted at 23. From memory, there's only been a few Queenslanders to reach 300 AFL games - Marcus Ashcroft, Jason Akermanis and Nick Rieowldt (does he count?) so Zorko would definitely be in illustrious company if he does get there.

I posed this question in the 2024 list management thread when Zorko sat 32 games shy of the 300 milestone and we obviously know now that played every game of the 2024 + 2025 seasons to make it to 300 last year and is still going. So now the question should be asked - will Zorko overtake Simon Black's all-time games record of 322 games this year? Zorko currently sits on 304 games so he will only have to play 18 of 23 H&A games to get there this year and obviously playing at least 19 games this year sets a new club record. For the record, Kevin Murray was the only Fitzroy/Bears player to hit 300 games so that's potentially in reaching distance for Zorko as well.

Probably also worth pointing out that 2nd place on the VFL/AFL games record for a Queenslander is also up for grabs with Zorko closing in on Marcus Ashcroft (318) and Jason Akermanis (325) this year. However, passing 1st placed Queenslander Nick Riewoldt (336) would require Zorko to play on in 2027. Hard to believe this kind of history is on the line for Zorko given he didn't make his AFL debut until the age of 23!

 

[010203]

I'm not sure this would be a good idea, as the Vic media is certainly after our academies.

Mentioned on another club board, but there's a genuine possibility that the top 4 be the 4 northern clubs, and the top 6 could add Freo and Adelaide.

 

[Viceregal]

I'm not sure this would be a good idea, as the Vic media is certainly after our academies.

Mentioned on another club board, but there's a genuine possibility that the top 4 be the 4 northern clubs, and the top 6 could add Freo and Adelaide.

Royal Commission incoming...

 

[Mr Ripper]

For the record, no Fitzroy or Bears player ever reached 300 games so Zorko will be all-time number 1 across all Fitzroy-Brisbane clubs.

 

[GC2015]

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Hmm weird. The stat I saw suggested Roos played the most games for Fitzroy. But yes, upon closer inspection, Kevin Murray did play over 300 VFL/AFL games for Fitzroy (333 to be exact). The only Fitzroy or Bears player to reach the 300 game milestone. Post updated with the Murray inclusion. Another record for Zorko to chase.

 

[BuntonRules]

Hmm weird. The stat I saw suggested Roos played the most games for Fitzroy. But yes, upon closer inspection, Kevin Murray did play over 300 VFL/AFL games for Fitzroy (333 to be exact). The only Fitzroy or Bears player to reach the 300 game milestone. Post updated with the Murray inclusion. Another record for Zorko to chase.

If ya dunno about Kevin Murray, ya dunno much about our club

 

[GC2015]

If ya dunno about Kevin Murray, ya dunno much about our club

I'd heard of him, just didn't know he played over 300 games and believed the source I saw about Roos playing the most games for Fitzroy. Honest mistake.

Anyway, the post really about whether Zorko will overtake Black's games record this year.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

If ya dunno about Kevin Murray, ya dunno much about our club

Who the hell is kevin murray?

 

[Pride of lions]

If ya dunno about Kevin Murray, ya dunno much about our club

Interesting and little known fact about Bulldog Murray is that he didn’t miss a single game through injury from 1958 until his retirement at the end of the 1974 season. In that time he played about 273 games for Fitzroy, 44 for East Perth (in 1965 and 1966), 24 for Victoria and 6 for WA. A total of 347 senior games of football without a miss. And he played in a back brace for much of his career. A complete legend.

 

[morsie]

I posed this question in the 2024 list management thread when Zorko sat 32 games shy of the 300 milestone and we obviously know now that played every game of the 2024 + 2025 seasons to make it to 300 last year and is still going. So now the question should be asked - will Zorko overtake Simon Black's all-time games record of 322 games this year? Zorko currently sits on 304 games so he will only have to play 18 of 23 H&A games to get there this year and obviously playing at least 19 games this year sets a new club record. For the record, Kevin Murray was the only Fitzroy/Bears player to hit 300 games so that's potentially in reaching distance for Zorko as well.

Probably also worth pointing out that 2nd place on the VFL/AFL games record for a Queenslander is also up for grabs with Zorko closing in on Marcus Ashcroft (318) and Jason Akermanis (325) this year. However, passing 1st placed Queenslander Nick Riewoldt (336) would require Zorko to play on in 2027. Hard to believe this kind of history is on the line for Zorko given he didn't make his AFL debut until the age of 23!

Murray also played a couple of seasons in the west for reasons I can't recall but probably financial

 

[morsie]

Murray also played a couple of seasons in the west for reasons I can't recall but probably financial

Helps if you read till the end before posting

 

[morsie]

Interesting and little known fact about Bulldog Murray is that he didn’t miss a single game through injury from 1958 until his retirement at the end of the 1974 season. In that time he played about 273 games for Fitzroy, 44 for East Perth (in 1965 and 1966), 24 for Victoria and 6 for WA. A total of 347 senior games of football without a miss. And he played in a back brace for much of his career. A complete legend.

He also captain coached Sandringham in the VFA

 

[Perrip]

AFL player pay skyrockets with average wage now over half a million

Fremantle matchwinners Andrew Brayshaw

8

Andrew Brayshaw

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.1

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.1

4star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

and Shai Bolton

10

Shai Bolton

Age

27

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

, Brisbane premiership front-liners Hugh McCluggage

6

Hugh Mccluggage

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.3

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

19.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

and Lachie Neale

9

Lachie Neale

Age

32

Ht

177cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

, Geelong’s Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

and Sun Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

are also on seven-figure deals.

Is Neale still on that much this year?

Lion playmaker Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

is also considering rival offers expected to top $1.7 million, including from Adelaide and Essendon, who both have mega room in its salary cap.

 

[briztoon]

AFL player pay skyrockets with average wage now over half a million

Is Neale still on that much this year?

Last year of his current contract, so certainly possible.

 

[dlanod]

King (of the St Kilda variety) possibly out for the season after more surgery. Might be playing their two ruck forwards a lot.

The new news was about the Sydney Max King. The latest news for St Kilda's one is that he had a cleanup in December and he should be training about now.

Just because you got the wrong one didn't mean you had to go out and try to make your post a reality briztoon ...

Saints spearhead King suffers another injury setback

Max King's availability for Opening Round is under a cloud after suffering yet another injury

www.afl.com.au

 

[davemc_lions]

I'm not sure this would be a good idea, as the Vic media is certainly after our academies.

We have a top 10 now.. How many Vic teams are there.
Only need interstate teams for the media $ it still the VFL

 

[mpal6]

Just because you got the wrong one didn't mean you had to go out and try to make your post a reality briztoon ...

Saints spearhead King suffers another injury setback

Max King's availability for Opening Round is under a cloud after suffering yet another injury

www.afl.com.au

 

[Elixuh]

Just because you got the wrong one didn't mean you had to go out and try to make your post a reality briztoon ...

Saints spearhead King suffers another injury setback

Max King's availability for Opening Round is under a cloud after suffering yet another injury

www.afl.com.au

Briztoon bashed my uncle

 

[Section 5]

All the Saints talk about father son and academy pick glut going to the Lions.
So, who and how many have we picked up and who went elsewhere.

My thoughts about a good Club pick be it National, Rookie, Preseason, father son academy is 100 games at the Lions
So, someone like Nathan Buckley does not count
Lions certainly have a few on our list that are likely to get over 100 games and i really hope some get well over that.
But don't count your chickens as the saying goes.

Below list of all father son and academy picks for the Lions. As best as i could research.


Brisbane Lions Father Son Picks

Year	Player	National Draft Pick	AFL Games #
1999	Jonathon Brown	30	256
1999	Shane Morrison	44	5
Then a 15-year gap
2014	Josh Clayton	86	2
2022	Will Ashcroft	2	58
2022	Jaspa Fletcher	12	68
2023	Levi Ashcroft	5	27

Brisbane Lions Academy Picks

Year	Player	National Draft Pick Rookie Draft Pick ***	AFL Games #
2012	Jordon Bourke	56***	6
2013	Jonathan Freeman	62	14
2013	Isaac Conway	6***	0
2014	Archie Smith	69***	16
2014	Liam Dawson	44	18
2014	Harris Andrews	61	239
2015	Mat Hammelman	75***	12
2015	Eric Hipwood	14	199
2015	Ben Keays	24	30 Lions	131Crows
2016	Jacob Allison	55	10
2016	Ruben William	20***	3
2017	Conor Ballenden	43	3
2017	Jack Payne	54	81
2018	Conor McFadyn	42	0
2019	Keidean Coleman	37	66
2019	Tom Fullarton	Cat B rookie	19	3 Demons
2019	Bruce Reville	Cat B rookie	25
2020	Blake Coleman	24	0
2022	Shadow Brain	Cat B rookie	9
2024	Ty Gallop	42	6
2024	Sam Marshall	25	11
2025	Daniel Annable	6	0

Lions Academy Players Picked Up at Another Club

Year	Player	Pick number Rookie Draft***	AFL games #	Club
2013	Aliir Aliir	44	178	Syd/Port
2015	Cory Wagner	43	57	Nth/Demons/Dockers
2015	Josh Wagner	6***	42	Demons
2015	Mabior Chol	30***	108	Tigers/Suns/Hawks
2015	Wylie Buzza	69	9	Cats
2016	Elliot Himmelberg	51	50	Crows
2016	Declan Watson	34	0	North
2019	Noah Cumberland	43	25	Tigers
2019	Will Martyn	44	3	Tigers
2020	Samson Ryan	40	25	Tigers
2023	Patrick Snell	53	0	Swans
2025	Tyan Prindable	32	0	Pies

 

[briztoon]

All the Saints talk about father son and academy pick glut going to the Lions.
So, who and how many have we picked up and who went elsewhere.

My thoughts about a good Club pick be it National, Rookie, Preseason, father son academy is 100 games at the Lions
So, someone like Nathan Buckley does not count
Lions certainly have a few on our list that are likely to get over 100 games and i really hope some get well over that.
But don't count your chickens as the saying goes.

Below list of all father son and academy picks for the Lions. As best as i could research.
I left Tom Fullarton out as he was taken as a Cat B rookie (Brisbane Bullets). Played 19 Lions games and 2 with Demons
Tom was in the academy at some stage and i noticed the Lions have him in the Lions Academy Honor Roll for year 2019

Brisbane Lions Father Son Picks

Year	Player	National Draft Pick	AFL Games #
1999	Jonathon Brown	30	256
1999	Shane Morrison	44	5
Then a 15-year gap
2014	Josh Clayton	86	2
2022	Will Ashcroft	2	58
2022	Jaspa Fletcher	12	68
2023	Levi Ashcroft	5	27

Brisbane Lions Academy Picks

Year	Player	National Draft Pick Rookie Draft Pick ***	AFL Games #
2012	Jordon Bourke	56***	6
2013	Jonathan Freeman	62	14
2014	Archie Smith	69***	16
2014	Liam Dawson	44	18
2014	Harris Andrews	61	239
2015	Mat Hammelman	75***	12
2015	Eric Hipwood	14	199
2015	Ben Keays	24	30 Lions	131Crows
2016	Jacob Allison	55	10
2017	Conor Ballenden	43	3
2017	Jack Payne	54	81
2018	Conor McFadyn	42	0
2019	Keidean Coleman	37	66
2020	Blake Coleman	24	0
2024	Ty Gallop	42	6
2024	Sam Marshall	25	11
2025	Daniel Annable	6	0
2025	Koby Evans	38	0

Lions Academy Players Picked Up at Another Club

Year	Player	Pick number Rookie Draft***	AFL games #	Club
2013	Aliir Aliir	44	178	Syd/Port
2015	Cory Wagner	43	57	Nth/Demons/Dockers
2015	Josh Wagner	6***	42	Demons
2015	Mabior Chol	30***	108	Tigers/Suns/Hawks
2019	Noah Cumberland	43	25	Tigers
2019	Will Martyn	44	3	Tigers
2020	Samson Ryan	40	25	Tigers
2023	Patrick Snell	53	0	Swans

Koby Evans was a West Coast nga kid.

 

[Lal]

Interesting and little known fact about Bulldog Murray is that he didn’t miss a single game through injury from 1958 until his retirement at the end of the 1974 season. In that time he played about 273 games for Fitzroy, 44 for East Perth (in 1965 and 1966), 24 for Victoria and 6 for WA. A total of 347 senior games of football without a miss. And he played in a back brace for much of his career. A complete legend.

I met Kevin Murray in the change rooms when I was 10 years old, as well as Russell Crow who looked like a giant to me. I shook hands with Kevin Murray, and as a rabid Fitzroy supporter it seemed that he was bathed in a heavenly glow. Honestly, the room smelled of sweat and liniment. My hero was wearing a girdle, call it a back brace if you like. His false teeth were out, upper and lower, and he was covered in blurry greenish tattoos. I was in awe. Years later, I met his father Dan, a lovely quietly spoken man with intense blue eyes, a reserve in the 44 Premiership. A very special family.

 

[Section 5]

Koby Evans was a West Coast nga kid.

Thanks i have taken him out

he is marked as academy pick in footywire but i should have realized seeing it was only a few months ago