Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[Shueygod]

No IT WONT. That is the definition of draft tampering and it only needs to be spoken about in formal talks for WC to be in massive trouble. BTW it wasn't just Brisbane that passed on Ashcroft anyway. Three other teams that didn't trade with Brisbane did as well. Plus Annable isn't even in the top two in any of the main mocks with the earliest Ive seen at 4 but with most 6+. So why would they even fill a need to guarantee he doesn't go top 2?

Delusional to think it won’t to be honest, I can all but guarantee WC get favourable deals with GC and Bris because of it.

Annable is definitely worthy of a top 2 bid.

What do you disagree with? You said you found an early 2nd fair, WCf2 will be an early 2nd.

 

[txbyhull]

If you want to improve it why not explain to your fellow supporters what draft tampering is.

Yep something that has clearly never happened ever before

 

[Mop]

There are going to be some seriously disappointed West Coast fans when a decent pick is handed over. And I’m gonna be front and centre for the melts.

What do you define as decent? What's the over and under marker?

 

[Mop]

If they get an exemption I think Brisbane are just flat out screwed which is unfair from the AFL and why I dont think WC will get an exemption. AFL cant be making rules changes that directly hurt one club and benefit another like that. Effectively, I think both teams will be incentivized to trade for him, WC to avoid impacting Allen compo and Lions so they get SOMETHING back from him.

I dont think one club needs to bully anyone but common sense justs get it done for a 3rd rounder as a middle ground of "better than the other outcome" for both parties.

The AFL herbs and spices give me the shits at the best of times, and whilst as a fan of a club that could be the beneficiary I hate the precedent it sets.
I'd much rather a fairer solution, an artificial second round pick with the direction that it goes to Brisbane to facilitate a Starcevich trade.

The FA system isn't working as the AFL intended. The byproduct is that the AFL has found itself in a pickle it needs to fix without ****ing over the teams in question.

 

[txbyhull]

What do you define as decent? What's the over and under marker?

Would also like to know this. I’m shocked that Bris genuinely think a first rounder is fair value. Given the player sure if he had a year to run on his contract and no concussion issues, but he doesn’t. A second I see being appropriate. Not ours, but a second. Hawks or Saints F2

 

[Mop]

Would also like to know this. I’m shocked that Bris genuinely think a first rounder is fair value. Given the player sure if he had a year to run on his contract and no concussion issues, but he doesn’t. A second I see being appropriate. Not ours, but a second. Hawks or Saints F2

He's a very very good player in prime age and he's hard as a cats head. He makes us a lot better, and I've said in a lot of threads we have so much cap room, but do I want us paying 1.1 million for an elite small defender? Not really, not unless is heavily heavily front loaded which it admittedly probably would be.

An early mid 2nd rounder is about right. An end of first round is overs given the contract state and the state of play.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Eagles should forget this and go for McVee. Starcevich just worth that 500k a year in reality.

 

[briztoon]

Would also like to know this. I’m shocked that Bris genuinely think a first rounder is fair value. Given the player sure if he had a year to run on his contract and no concussion issues, but he doesn’t. A second I see being appropriate. Not ours, but a second. Hawks or Saints F2

I've said before I'd take West Coasts F2.

I'm not sure if most Brisbane fans take a holistic view of the trade period, list management and future drafts. However most of us are waiting for clarification to the father son and academy matching in future drafts.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I’d be surprised if Starcevich plays next week. His form has been horrible since he came back in. They need a guy who can run and kick as opposed to fall over like a totem pole

 

[txbyhull]

I've said before I'd take West Coasts F2.

I'm not sure if most Brisbane fans take a holistic view of the trade period, list management and future drafts. However most of us are waiting for clarification to the father son and academy matching in future drafts.

I do think you might struggle to get that given our need for consistent top end talent over the next few years. I could see like a Saints F2 from Ryan and an Eagles F3 for Starcevich and an F3 or something like that. It’s minimal and fine margins but I’d like to think eagles will want to hold that F2 especially if bids leave the first round as it’s a pretty powerful bargaining chip, the first pick of day 2.

 

[Mop]

I've said before I'd take West Coasts F2.

I'm not sure if most Brisbane fans take a holistic view of the trade period, list management and future drafts. However most of us are waiting for clarification to the father son and academy matching in future drafts.

What if we got another club's F2? Say.. St Kilda's?

 

[briztoon]

I do think you might struggle to get that given our need for consistent top end talent over the next few years. I could see like a Saints F2 from Ryan and an Eagles F3 for Starcevich and an F3 or something like that. It’s minimal and fine margins but I’d like to think eagles will want to hold that F2 especially if bids leave the first round as it’s a pretty powerful bargaining chip, the first pick of day 2.

What if we got another club's F2? Say.. St Kilda's?

I’d take that, if the Saints were actually willing to part with their F2 for Ryan.

Looking at the big picture.

I haven’t seen any reporting about what West Coasts offer to Starcevich might be, so I can’t really guess what compensation in isolation might be.

Is it band 2 or band 3.

If it’s band 2, then West Coasts F2 is comparable. If it’s band 3, then Saints F2 is a better pick.

If it’s band 3, do Brisbane consider matching anyway to keep Starcevich.

And the question to Starcevich is, is he looking to get home or that last big contract?

However, if we bring in both Allen and Draper, fair chance the AFL wouldn’t give us anything for losing Starcevich.

If the AFL say no dice to West Coast re their submission, I’m taking an F2 and moving on to potential trades we have this trade period.

Slightly longer view is, we have two academy kids next year that I currently rate as potential late first round picks

 

[Lore]

This thread really went down the toilet the last few days…

Use the report button, half the board is currently attracting mod attention and it’s a bit like whackamole so any support you can provide will be of benefit to us all

 

[txbyhull]

Use the report button, half the board is currently attracting mod attention and it’s a bit like whackamole so any support you can provide will be of benefit to us all

Aye aye captain

 

[txbyhull]

I’d take that, if the Saints were actually willing to part with their F2 for Ryan.

Looking at the big picture.

I haven’t seen any reporting about what West Coasts offer to Starcevich might be, so I can’t really guess what compensation in isolation might be.

Is it band 2 or band 3.

If it’s band 2, then West Coasts F2 is comparable. If it’s band 3, then Saints F2 is a better pick.

If it’s band 3, do Brisbane consider matching anyway to keep Starcevich.

And the question to Starcevich is, is he looking to get home or that last big contract?

However, if we bring in both Allen and Draper, fair chance the AFL wouldn’t give us anything for losing Starcevich.

If the AFL say no dice to West Coast re their submission, I’m taking an F2 and moving on to potential trades we have this trade period.

Slightly longer view is, we have two academy kids next year that I currently rate as potential late first round picks

Unless Starcevich moves to his 4th choice + club (behind BRL WCE ESS) then Brisbane won’t be receiving any form of compensation? I don’t really think that can be used in the discussion. It’s not oh WC should give up equal to Band 2, Brisbane won’t be receiving band 2, 3 or anything. That’s a fantasy land where you’re not picking up Allen and Draper.

 

[txbyhull]

Unless Starcevich moves to his 4th choice + club (behind BRL WCE ESS) then Brisbane won’t be receiving any form of compensation? I don’t really think that can be used in the discussion. It’s not oh WC should give up equal to Band 2, Brisbane won’t be receiving band 2, 3 or anything. That’s a fantasy land where you’re not picking up Allen and Draper.

Actually that first bit isn’t quite what I meant. More so if he moves to his 4th choice + club like a North or whatever, you can’t compare compos. Given the radical nature of the FA merry-go round between the 3 clubs and possibly including Ah Chee, it makes for a rather weird situation that I’m not too sure has too much precedent. I can’t imagine ESS want to lose their Draper compo either.

 

[Mop]

Actually that first bit isn’t quite what I meant. More so if he moves to his 4th choice + club like a North or whatever, you can’t compare compos. Given the radical nature of the FA merry-go round between the 3 clubs and possibly including Ah Chee, it makes for a rather weird situation that I’m not too sure has too much precedent. I can’t imagine ESS want to lose their Draper compo either.

It’s a bit of a weird precedent which is why it would’ve surprise me if the AFL herbs and spices created a compensation pick for us that just happened to be about Starcevich’s worth

 

[Barrybran]

It’s a bit of a weird precedent which is why it would’ve surprise me if the AFL herbs and spices created a compensation pick for us that just happened to be about Starcevich’s worth

Especially for a club benefiting from academy picks. AFL House already cop enough heat without throwing a log on the fire.

 

[Mop]

Especially for a club benefiting from academy picks. AFL House already cop enough heat without throwing a log on the fire.

Which is just the sort of thing they’d do though isn’t it?

 

[briztoon]

Unless Starcevich moves to his 4th choice + club (behind BRL WCE ESS) then Brisbane won’t be receiving any form of compensation? I don’t really think that can be used in the discussion. It’s not oh WC should give up equal to Band 2, Brisbane won’t be receiving band 2, 3 or anything. That’s a fantasy land where you’re not picking up Allen and Draper.

I'm not sure you read my post properly if this is your response.

 

[briztoon]

Actually that first bit isn’t quite what I meant. More so if he moves to his 4th choice + club like a North or whatever, you can’t compare compos. Given the radical nature of the FA merry-go round between the 3 clubs and possibly including Ah Chee, it makes for a rather weird situation that I’m not too sure has too much precedent. I can’t imagine ESS want to lose their Draper compo either.

It’s a bit of a weird precedent which is why it would’ve surprise me if the AFL herbs and spices created a compensation pick for us that just happened to be about Starcevich’s worth

Which is just the sort of thing they’d do though isn’t it?

I don't believe you guys have any clue what you're actually talking about.

 

[Mop]

I don't believe you guys have any clue what you're actually talking about.

We think the same about you, don't worry. The feeling is very mutual.

 

[briztoon]

Let me break down my original post.

I’d take that, if the Saints were actually willing to part with their F2 for Ryan.

Looking at the big picture.

Ignore the above.

I haven’t seen any reporting about what West Coasts offer to Starcevich might be, so I can’t really guess what compensation in isolation might be.

Is it band 2 or band 3.

If it’s band 2, then West Coasts F2 is comparable. If it’s band 3, then Saints F2 is a better pick.

If it’s band 3, do Brisbane consider matching anyway to keep Starcevich.

So what type of compensation would Starcevich's potential contract at West Coast generate, if there were no other free agency moves at either club?

Band 2 or Band 3?

And the question to Starcevich is, is he looking to get home or that last big contract?

However, if we bring in both Allen and Draper, fair chance the AFL wouldn’t give us anything for losing Starcevich.

It doesn't matter what Starcevich's contract compensation "might" be, because we're (Lions) not getting anything from the AFL if we bring in both Allen and Draper (heck, it might be nothing just bringing Allen in by himself).

If the AFL say no dice to West Coast re their submission,

Which means West Coast's compensation for Allen will be negatively affected, so it slides from Band 1 to Band 2.

I’m taking an F2 and moving on to potential trades we have this trade period.

So if West Coast do offer St Kilda's F2 in a trade, so as not to negatively affect Allen's compensation, I'm taking it an moving on.

Slightly longer view is, we have two academy kids next year that I currently rate as potential late first round picks

 

[txbyhull]

I'm not sure you read my post properly if this is your response.

You think Brisbane should receive draft capital equal to what they’d receive as FA compensation?

 

[Mop]

Let me break down my original post.



Ignore the above.

So what type of compensation would Starcevich's potential contract at West Coast generate, if there were no other free agency moves at either club?

Band 2 or Band 3?

It doesn't matter what Starcevich's contract compensation "might" be, because we're (Lions) not getting anything from the AFL if we bring in both Allen and Draper (heck, it might be nothing just bringing Allen in by himself).

Which means West Coast's compensation for Allen will be negatively affected, so it slides from Band 1 to Band 2.


So if West Coast do offer St Kilda's F2 in a trade, so as not to negatively affect Allen's compensation, I'm taking it an moving on.

.. Yep? I'm following you, I don't think you're following us. You're too busy writing and not doing enough reading.

I don't think the AFL has really factored in situations like these very well in its permutations for free agency compensation.

Brisbane are reportedly getting Oscar Allen from West Coast and maybe Sam Draper from Essendon.
Allen is a probable first round comp an Draper remains to be seen what he is, likely the same.
So for the sake of argument Brisbane are gaining two first round picks for nothing. Cool.

However the second part is West Coast, a side asking for compensation to help balance out a mix of their own mistakes their rebuilding drafts being diluted by, in part, your club's academy picks, are in for your player, Starcevich.
If Essendon's offer is correct at 1.1 a season then that's clear band one, no? At worst band 2.

So. The byproduct of this is, if Starcevich wants to leave

A) He goes to West Coast via free agency with no interference from the AFL, WC's compensation pick drops from 1 to 2.
Given our natural pick being 1, this won't occur.

2) He goes to West Coast via a trade. What is fair? I think, despite you getting upset about.. god knows what, the consensus is it sits somewhere in the second round.
This leads to the point you aren't really grasping.

WHERE DOES THIS PICK COME FROM?
My post suggested the AFL might want to avoid a situation where we dilute our pick but don't want free agency to be seen unfair so creates an artificial compensation pick to West Coast in the second round that we can facilitate a trade for Starcevich. The poster above mine suggested they don't think they'd do that because of the heat the Northern Academies are already getting. I rightly and fairly pointed out AFL House seldom acts in ways reasonable people would anticipate so it wouldn't surprise me.

Alternatively we obtain a future second from St Kilda for Liam Ryan or via another means. Jack Williams trade maybe, doesn't matter. It's an example.

The third option is the one West Coast have proposed whereby we can just take Starcevich via free agency with a mechanism allowed by the AFL to not lessen our compensation. As discussed above I don't like HATE the precedent this sets but I appreciate why the club asked.

So, Briztoon. What on earth have you taken exception to here? Please bestow your wisdom oh enlightened one.