Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Is the assumption that Fremantle need to use a first round this year correct ?
They traded for Jackson using their 2022 / 2023 first rounders and took Murphy last year. Meaning they need a selection in this year to fit the rolling two first in the previous 4 years.

If that is the case, that may show how limiting their options may have actually been. To generate an early 2nd rounder for McVee, it would basically limited Fremantles options to targeting a pick between 16-20.

Adelaide appear to want to hold steady with 16. West Coast owed 17 and we were clearly aiming for an upgrade in this transaction also. Gold Coast holds 18 and likely to hold til draft night due to list restrictions.
Geelong has its sights on Curnow, more likely Marshall. With those trades likely not being completed anytime soon.

Think their list management have got exactly what they wanted in the end, even if public perception is you’ve paid a premium

 

[Tom14]

Good analysis piece on the trade here from the ABC guys: https://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=33890

Any thoughts on this section though Snuffaluphagus ?

Fremantle’s movements are interesting here. The raw pick value is a downgrade, mostly because they shed two later picks for one. In a shallower draft, the Dockers may be unlikly to take four picks, meaning their fourth selection is not very useful to them anyway.

Understood solely as pick 13 and 34 for pick 20 and 24, the trade looks much more balanced, and something clubs might do in isolation to get two looks at the top 30. In this case, however, Freo’s concerns are not overpaying for Judd McVee and having enough bid matching value for any NGA bid matches, which are likely to come well after their new first pick.

Verdict: fair trade with an extremely large asterisk about the shadow value of free agency compensation.

 

[Elixuh]

Good analysis piece of the trade here from the ABC guys: https://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=33890

Any thoughts on this section though Snuffaluphagus ?

 

[Section 5]

Good analysis piece of the trade here from the ABC guys: https://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=33890

Any thoughts on this section though Snuffaluphagus ?

Pretty much my thoughts on the deal.
No one twisted the Dockers arm to do the trade.
However, it was beneficial to both the Lions and Eagles

Dockers also got one of their player targets in McVee for pick 23 (now 24).
What was McVee perceived value on the Freemantle BF board?
Dockers lost a total of 177 doing the deal at that point in time, 104 points of that were in later picks they may not have used.
The recruiting team obviously think they can get who they are after at 19 (now 20) instead of 12 (now 13)
Otherwise, they would not have done the 2 trades.

If Dockers waited till after the Allen compensation pick, they automatically would lose points anyhow just like everyone else.
Lions lost 126 points after pick 2 went to Eagles. I have no idea what the Dockers lost in points

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Good analysis piece on the trade here from the ABC guys: https://www.hpnfooty.com/?p=33890

Any thoughts on this section though Snuffaluphagus ?

Similar issues to mine even if they didnt go hard on it. Brisbane getting plenty of value for an out of contract risky player that is justifiable on WCs end because of thenpick 2 for Allen. So given Freo footed thr bill, how is it justifiable for Freo?

Can't say the swap without the bizarre throwing away of later picks is fine without any actual proof behind the claim. Historically its garbage.

 

[Elixuh]

Similar issues to mine even if they didnt go hard on it. Brisbane getting plenty of value for an out of contract risky player that is justifiable on WCs end because of thenpick 2 for Allen. So given Freo footed thr bill, how is it justifiable for Freo?

Can't say the swap without the bizarre throwing away of later picks is fine without any actual proof behind the claim. Historically its garbage.

Could be a bit of clubs helping clubs out. Brisbane helped Freo out in the Neale trade and gave overs. I remember at the time Peter Bell basically saying Freo reamed Brisbane in the trade. So it’s swings and roundabouts snuff.

We help you, you help us.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Could be a bit of clubs helping clubs out. Brisbane helped Freo out in the Neale trade and gave overs. I remember at the time Peter Bell basically saying Freo teamed Brisbane in the trade. So it’s swings and roundabouts snuff.

We help you, you help us.

You're a funny guy...

 

[Elixuh]

Snuffaluphagus there’s some murmurings that Freo are going to trade us some future picks for some pics we hold. Which might be the reason for the Starce deal. Perhaps related to the ah Chee trade. I think your f1 may be part of it. Dono if next year or 2027. I don’t really want 2027 with Tas tbh so hope it’s not that and it’s 2026.

Watch this space next week apparently.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Snuffaluphagus there’s some murmurings that Freo are going to trade us from future picks for some pics we hold. Which might be the reason for the Starce deal.

Watch this space next week apparently.

My immediate questions are;
1) Why couldnt that be in the original deal if it's not going through before draft night
2) Why did we do that stupid ****ing deal if not for us HATING THIS DRAFT.

I THINK you were being genuine here, short of the greatest shafting for futures of all time, I will have to get off BF to save my sanity

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Snuffaluphagus there’s some murmurings that Freo are going to trade us some future picks for some pics we hold. Which might be the reason for the Starce deal. Perhaps related to the ah Chee trade. I think your f1 may be part of it. Dono if next year or 2027. I don’t really want 2027 with Tas tbh so hope it’s not that and it’s 2026.

Watch this space next week apparently.

Now that this is updated, Tom14 can you let me know if he's being serious or just trying to get me to jump off a ledge. It's very hard to tell with Elixuh

 

[Tom14]

Now that this is updated, Tom14 can you let me know if he's being serious or just trying to get me to jump off a ledge. It's very hard to ttell with Elixuh

Elixuh told me about our interest in Oscar Allen last year. He also told me that he is actually Stewart Dew.

So your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Elixuh told me about our interest in Oscar Allen last year. He also told me that he is actually Stewart Dew.

So your guess is as good as mine.

Given my recent comments on the Freo board, I have decided he's trying to get me to jump

 

[Elixuh]

Given my recent comments on the Freo board, I have decided he's trying to get me to jump

I want to upgrade from the bin emoji react to the bin meme you posted. It’s my life’s ambition snuff!

 

[Tom14]

Given my recent comments on the Freo board, I have decided he's trying to get me to jump

Sadly, that is entirely the sort of garbage that he might try

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Is the assumption that Fremantle need to use a first round this year correct ?
They traded for Jackson using their 2022 / 2023 first rounders and took Murphy last year. Meaning they need a selection in this year to fit the rolling two first in the previous 4 years.

If that is the case, that may show how limiting their options may have actually been. To generate an early 2nd rounder for McVee, it would basically limited Fremantles options to targeting a pick between 16-20.

Adelaide appear to want to hold steady with 16. West Coast owed 17 and we were clearly aiming for an upgrade in this transaction also. Gold Coast holds 18 and likely to hold til draft night due to list restrictions.
Geelong has its sights on Curnow, more likely Marshall. With those trades likely not being completed anytime soon.

Think their list management have got exactly what they wanted in the end, even if public perception is you’ve paid a premium

The league has changed the rules about first round requirements. We could trade our first this year if we wanted too even under the old rules though. This came up in the Picket trade thread when there wqs a chance we would be chasing him.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

The league has changed the rules about first round requirements. We could trade our first this year if we wanted too even under the old rules though. This came up in the Picket trade thread when there wqs a chance we would be chasing him.

I did see some discussion around this after I posted, still not entirely sure you can though.

When they announced the 2025 change in August 2024, that article still mentions the need for using 2 firsts in a 4 year period.

I have seen the AFL have relaxed those rules for the trading of 2026/27 picks, where they’ve basically viewing everyone using a pick in 2023 and 2024, specifically mentioned for those years though and not 2025. I was guessing they want teams having the ability to trade 2027 picks, while not locking them into keeping picks for the 2027 heavily compromised draft.